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World Cup 2014: Dutch survive the furnace of Fortaleza
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By Ben SmithBBC Sport in Fortaleza
In the pressure cooker heat of Estadio Castelao, one man kept his cool.

Coach Louis van Gaal could see the Netherlands were wilting, the life ebbing out of their World Cup in temperatures of 39C and in the face of Mexican resilience.

Van Gaal's team were trailing 1-0 to Mexico in their last-16 tie but he saw an opportunity to breathe life back into Dutch hopes and took it.

Such was the intense heat in Fortaleza on Brazil's north-east coast that Fifa had approved the use of cooling breaks for the first time.

Nor was staying cool a problem restricted to the players. The heat in the stadium had been so severe that thousands of fans were unable to take their designated seats because they were in direct sunlight. But as the shadows grew longer, they crept forward from their shaded positions at the back of stands to get a closer view of the unfolding drama.

The second cooling break came with 15 minutes remaining, and by then one team clearly needed it more than the other.

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Temperatures over 32C in Fortaleza left both players and officials feeling the heat.

The Netherlands squad crowded around their manager, like basketball players in a time-out. In the centre Van Gaal was speaking, his players listening. He pointed to a clipboard in his hand, indicating a tactical change that might not be for the purists but would win them the game. The Netherlands had trained for this moment.

They had begun the day playing 5-3-2, then switched to 4-3-3, and Van Gaal was about to play his final card. Dirk Kuyt, winning his 100th cap, had started as a left wing-back, been moved to right-back and was now being told to play up front. Robin van Persie was taken out of the action, on came Klaas Jan Huntelaar. This was, to all intents and purposes, 4-4-2.

"This manager wanted to win - I had to substitute Robin," said Van Gaal. "The cooling break allowed me to move to another plan. We had trained this way, Huntelaar and Kuyt as strikers, playing long balls to them."

It was a long way from the "total football" made famous by the Dutch in the 1970s, but as their 2014 campaign threatened to unravel, the moment called for something different.

When is a cooling break implemented?
Whether a game qualifies for a cooling break will be decided an hour before kick-off when Fifa's venue medical officer will consult the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature, a composite measure used to estimate the effects of such conditions on humans.

If it reads over 32C (89.6F), it is likely players will be allowed to take on fluids after both 30 and 75 minutes, but the match clock will not stop. Cue lots of sweaty managers pointing at watches to make sure the time is added on after 90 minutes.

"He is one of the best, or maybe the best tactically," Kuyt said. "It doesn't matter what system we are playing we know exactly what to do. He told us before the game already that we could switch to this system when we were 1-0 down."

The players turned away, threw off the ice towels, put down the drinks and walked back onto the field with a new sense of purpose. Within minutes Mexico goalkeeper Guillermo Ochoa somehow kept out Stefan de Vrij's close-range volley from a corner, pushing it against the post with an instinctive blur of his hands.

"Their goalkeeper made some unbelievable saves," said Dutch defender Ron Vlaar. "Then we got another corner kick and Wesley [Sneijder] said to me this one is going in. I don't think he thought he would score but it happened."

It was Huntelaar's header that made it, Sneijder pouncing on the loose ball to thump in the equaliser with five minutes left. Now belief drained from Mexico hearts.

The Netherlands could sense a chance. "After that I had a feeling we could win in 90 minutes," Vlaar added.

"Fergie-time, Fergie-time..."
It's a well-established idea among football fans that "Fergie time" - an extra helping of added time - used to help Sir Alex Ferguson's Manchester United team when they were losing. But did it really exist?

BBC News found out in November 2012

There was still time. Still time for Robben to sprint down the right flank once more. The Bayern Munich winger cut inside, skipped beyond Diego Reyes and went over Rafael Marquez's leg. Penalty. Joy and despair in one moment.

Huntelaar did the rest from 12 yards, dispatching the penalty to set up a quarter-final against Costa Rica. "Robben had been fouled, so Klaas Jan was asked, he didn't need any more encouragement. He was very cool," Van Gaal said.

He was not the only one. Van Gaal watched on as Robben leapt in the air, clenching his fists at the final whistle and the Dutch fell to the ground with pure relief. This was Van Gaal winning a match in Fergie time - an appropriate prelude to taking over the Manchester United job.

"The players showed they had the faith and the belief to go right to the very end," added Van Gaal, hinting at their willingness to buy into his tactical tweaks. "You can't pull through like that if you don't have the unity that this group of players had. It gives us enormous confidence to go on."

The contrast with the Mexico players was stark. Those in green collapsed, overwhelmed by the manner of the turnaround, the heat, the emotion of a day when a place in the last eight for the first time since 1986 had been within their grasp.

Mexico may have stumbled their way to this World Cup but they leave with their reputation and that of their manager, the tremendous Miguel Herrera, enhanced.


Mexico may have been more used to the heat but Herrera still felt it had affected his team.

"What goes against football is playing in this weather," he said. "We didn't see a worthy show because even such a good team as Netherlands, the temperature sapped their pace. You can't give at the same level in the 90 minutes in that heat. You are suffocated by the sun, the humidity, by being worn out."

The heat aside, this was another tremendous match in a World Cup that remains as unpredictable as any.

Van Gaal ensured his side march on. "He knows what it is going to happen," Vlaar said. "If it doesn't happen that way, he changes it and that gives the players confidence. We know we have a manager capable of changing something, of changing the course of a match."

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In some ways LVG is similar to Fergie at the end, but I think the path both take is very different. Basically they walk 2 different roads, but in the end they end up in the same place. Fergie was a master of morale, LVG seems to be a master of tactics.

Can't wait for next year.
 
One thing we all learnt is that nobody is sacred for Van Gaal. Very decisive and in control.
 
He's amazing.

I can't wait till he's at United. We have so many talented players, I wonder how he's going to line us up.

I mean, no-one would of said Dirk Kuyt would be a bloody left wing back, but it worked. LvG is a smart smart man.
 
last night he showed he's not afraid to change tactics or take big name players off, he also showed he can make a team that will grind out results, even if late in the game, he reminds me a lot of Sir Alex in this way, I think he will excel as our manager, can't wait :D
 
First there's taking RVP off and now this.

This man's so much the anti-Moyes its unreal.

He's also been managing the club whilst with the dutch squad, most of his time obviously has been devoted to the netherlands however he has still found the time and energy to make big decisions for us assuming he is in charge of who we buy and who we sell.

From what we understand, Moyes didn't do this even when he was doing nothing.
 
I'm not surprised he wants to get stuck in straight away. He'll spend most of pre season experimenting and perfecting the system he wants to implement so it's ready for the start of the premier league.
 
He's also been managing the club whilst with the dutch squad, most of his time obviously has been devoted to the netherlands however he has still found the time and energy to make big decisions for us assuming he is in charge of who we buy and who we sell.

From what we understand, Moyes didn't do this even when he was doing nothing.

He spent three weeks in Miami, Florida. Dreaming of Ipads and big screen TV's.
 
Evans & Brown mid table? Can't say i agree.

Evans is our best all round defender.

Brown was a brilliant player injuries ruined him, if not for the injuries he would have been up there with Ferdinand in my opinion.

He has still been our best RB since Neville, his performance in the 2007/08 season was his best season of his united career, one of the fantastic 5 of, VDS brown Ferdinand Vidic Evra that was the vault that helped capture the PL and CL double
 
He seems to be doing everything he possibly can to endear himself to us before he's even started the job. The guy is awesome!

Turning up at carrington with the World Cup in his hand is a good start, let's see the players try and out do him, they have won PL titles, but van gaal has won a World Cup, beat that? Lol
 
Well we haven't really brought through many quality players since the giggs/scholes/beckham generation.

Welbeck, cleverley, Evans, Wes brown... Bunch of mid table players really, just becoming squad players (welbeck has potential but he's not that young and not really improved). Januzaj doesn't really count as he came at 16, though we did develop him through the most important years. Doesn't count as academy though.

Sorry, I hope you don't mind but I'm completely disagree with this.
Evans is class if he's not injury prone he would have already be a world class by now. He might not as great as Vidic, Rio and Stam but he's definitely deserve to be Manchester United player.
Welbeck might not as great as Beckham and Giggs or RVN. But he's very good player for us.
The midtable players are Gibson, Bardsley, Phil Neville. I could also said O'Shea too, though he's very useful player for us since he could play in many position.

And from those 4 names. The most one which I will obviously don't understand is Brown. He has done great things with us. If it's not because of his injury, he would had stay here a bit longer.
 
Sorry, I hope you don't mind but I'm completely disagree with this.
Evans is class if he's not injury prone he would have already be a world class by now. He might not as great as Vidic, Rio and Stam but he's definitely deserve to be Manchester United player.
Welbeck might not as great as Beckham and Giggs or RVN. But he's very good player for us.
As a neutral...I have to agree with bosnian_red

Evans is not class - he is just average. He will always do a good job, but he is mid table material. Welbeck also - for some reason the England manager loves him, but he is just not good enough either.
 
As a neutral...I have to agree with bosnian_red

Evans is not class - he is just average. He will always do a good job, but he is mid table material. Welbeck also - for some reason the England manager loves him, but he is just not good enough either.

Fair enough.
Though I got a feeling that the dutch will love him as well. I mean I can't see any manager doesn't like a player who loves to chase the ball to win the ball back again, especially if that player has skills, pace, strength and great link up plays and always work hard.
 
Turning up at carrington with the World Cup in his hand is a good start, let's see the players try and out do him, they have won PL titles, but van gaal has won a World Cup, beat that? Lol

If Holland do win it, I could imagine van Gaal keeping hold of the cup. Everyone would be too afraid to ask for it back :lol:
 
I wasn't a fan of the decision to bring LVG in but this tournament has taught me one thing about him is that his tactics at the top level are still up to scratch. I don't think this guarantees he will be success for us but i'm more confident now.
 
Turning up at carrington with the World Cup in his hand is a good start, let's see the players try and out do him, they have won PL titles, but van gaal has won a World Cup, beat that? Lol

Mata has a world cup medal....

He is only missing the premiership one in his collection. He has won everything else possible. Lets hope This next season he will have completed his collection.
 
I was watching Kuyt playing for Netherlands yesterday and wondered if this is a good sign for Valencia. . .

Im not sure if the Dutch have any better alternatives to Dirk, but it certainly suggests that LVG rates/appreciates hard working team players. Plenty of the one trick pony fanboys dislike Valencia, but his work ethics/rates can seldom be questioned. . There is a reason why top managers persist with the likes of Valencia and Kuyt . . Because the game isn't all about fancy stepovers and assists. .

I can see Valencia thriving under LVG . .
 
Tactics seem to have been our shortfall for a long time. Fergie was good at many things, but tactically I never thought he was that strong. Obviously he made up for it elsewhere.

LVG on the other hand, seems like a tactical savant, it is ideal. We look like a collective of players with potential and ability, but we haven't had a manager who could actually turn that potential into results. It has been so frustrating watching the likes of Rooney and Mata getting the ball and not knowing what to do - nobody moving for them, no real plan, no direction... Just a bunch of very good players with no plan, and each therefore trying to win the game in their own way, and failing.

The best thing for Manchester United will be a strong manager like LVG coming in with a strategy and a plan - getting the team playing a specific way and getting all the players on board with it. I really can't wait for next season now, I do hope LVG has enough time before the start of the season to start implementing his plan is all.
 
You can't expect them to get every league title though, right?

Getting a top domestic league, domestic cup, champions league, europa league, world cup and euro cup - to me that's the collection. He has all except for the premier league.
 
I was watching Kuyt playing for Netherlands yesterday and wondered if this is a good sign for Valencia. . .

Im not sure if the Dutch have any better alternatives to Dirk, but it certainly suggests that LVG rates/appreciates hard working team players. Plenty of the one trick pony fanboys dislike Valencia, but his work ethics/rates can seldom be questioned. . There is a reason why top managers persist with the likes of Valencia and Kuyt . . Because the game isn't all about fancy stepovers and assists. .

I can see Valencia thriving under LVG . .
Good point. Not sure Valencia has quite the same versatility as Kuyt but it shows you can thrive under Van Gaal if you are a hard worker, you dont have to be technically brilliant. Watching yesterday I was reminded of the old thread comparing Kuyt with Park. I certainly think Van Gaal will appreciate Valencia and Im confident he will have a good season.
 
Sorry, I hope you don't mind but I'm completely disagree with this.
Evans is class if he's not injury prone he would have already be a world class by now. He might not as great as Vidic, Rio and Stam but he's definitely deserve to be Manchester United player.
Welbeck might not as great as Beckham and Giggs or RVN. But he's very good player for us.
The midtable players are Gibson, Bardsley, Phil Neville. I could also said O'Shea too, though he's very useful player for us since he could play in many position.

And from those 4 names. The most one which I will obviously don't understand is Brown. He has done great things with us. If it's not because of his injury, he would had stay here a bit longer.
It's just my opinion of course, but while obviously some are good enough to be squad players for United, none so far have done enough to really show they are good enough to start for United. Brown was a talented defender yes, but was he ever Rio or Vidic level? That's basically who he was competing with. Ok not midtable, but not title challenging level. The way I compare them at least, is with players who are at the club (or most of the time, the standards we've come to expect from a certain position). If a player isn't good enough to be starting for United, and he wants first team action somewhere, he obviously needs to downgrade. Same with Welbeck. Both of them were probably around Everton level (before Martinez) so while it's harsh to say mid table, it is part of the upper mid table range.

When I say we haven't produced anyone of United quality, I mean we haven't produced any starting 11 quality player. Welbeck can become a good player, but he'll never be RVP quality, or Rooney quality, or RVN. He might yet become a very good striker but he really needs to start pushing on like Sturridge has at Liverpool and he won't get those chances at United. Evans as well is a good defender, but that's it. His level is like 5-7th place, not really a top 4 or title challenging defender, and far away from the defenders we've come to expect these last 20 years at United. Evans is more in line with the defenders we've used while we were in transition, not part of any really successful back 4's
 
Ah I thought we were on about Van Gaal, apologies.
I don't know who that was about to be fair now. Think Mata because he said he's got everything to his name and van Gaal hasn't won anything at international level.
 
It's just my opinion of course, but while obviously some are good enough to be squad players for United, none so far have done enough to really show they are good enough to start for United. Brown was a talented defender yes, but was he ever Rio or Vidic level? That's basically who he was competing with. Ok not midtable, but not title challenging level. The way I compare them at least, is with players who are at the club (or most of the time, the standards we've come to expect from a certain position). If a player isn't good enough to be starting for United, and he wants first team action somewhere, he obviously needs to downgrade. Same with Welbeck. Both of them were probably around Everton level (before Martinez) so while it's harsh to say mid table, it is part of the upper mid table range.

When I say we haven't produced anyone of United quality, I mean we haven't produced any starting 11 quality player. Welbeck can become a good player, but he'll never be RVP quality, or Rooney quality, or RVN. He might yet become a very good striker but he really needs to start pushing on like Sturridge has at Liverpool and he won't get those chances at United. Evans as well is a good defender, but that's it. His level is like 5-7th place, not really a top 4 or title challenging defender, and far away from the defenders we've come to expect these last 20 years at United. Evans is more in line with the defenders we've used while we were in transition, not part of any really successful back 4's

Rio and Vidic are the best defenders. They both are as great as Cannavaro, Maldini and Puyol. These defenders are very rare to find. It's really hard. We don't have to looking at someone to be as great as them to play for Manchester United starting eleven. I don't even rate Thiago Silva in the same level as Rio and Vidic. But in my opinion I can still see Evans to reach the same level as Thiago Silva if he's not an injury prone.

Welbeck is still young. It's too early to judge him. He might not be as great as RVP or RVN but we are not looking at someone as great as them. But his current ability are good enough to play for us even though not for starter but since he is still young, he can still improve and who knows eventually become good enough to be our starter. I've never seen any attackers who are willing to chase the ball so hard to win the ball back. It's really nice to have a player who always win the ball back in your team. And not to mention he has some nice individual ability like skill, pace and etc..

Brown was very class as a right back back in the days even though his natural position was a central. He might not as great as Garry. But he was class. I could understand if someone said Evans and Welbz are not good enough since they are not proven enough and haven't play that much as well to prove themself. But Brown definitely is good enough.
 
It's just my opinion of course, but while obviously some are good enough to be squad players for United, none so far have done enough to really show they are good enough to start for United. Brown was a talented defender yes, but was he ever Rio or Vidic level? That's basically who he was competing with. Ok not midtable, but not title challenging level. The way I compare them at least, is with players who are at the club (or most of the time, the standards we've come to expect from a certain position). If a player isn't good enough to be starting for United, and he wants first team action somewhere, he obviously needs to downgrade. Same with Welbeck. Both of them were probably around Everton level (before Martinez) so while it's harsh to say mid table, it is part of the upper mid table range.

When I say we haven't produced anyone of United quality, I mean we haven't produced any starting 11 quality player. Welbeck can become a good player, but he'll never be RVP quality, or Rooney quality, or RVN. He might yet become a very good striker but he really needs to start pushing on like Sturridge has at Liverpool and he won't get those chances at United. Evans as well is a good defender, but that's it. His level is like 5-7th place, not really a top 4 or title challenging defender, and far away from the defenders we've come to expect these last 20 years at United. Evans is more in line with the defenders we've used while we were in transition, not part of any really successful back 4's

After I think about this again. May be not Thiago Silva. Thiago Silva is closed with Rio and Vidic level.
I will say if Evans isn't an injury prone he would reach Sergio Ramos or the current Hummels level. That's in my opinion.
 
It's just my opinion of course, but while obviously some are good enough to be squad players for United, none so far have done enough to really show they are good enough to start for United. Brown was a talented defender yes, but was he ever Rio or Vidic level? That's basically who he was competing with. Ok not midtable, but not title challenging level. The way I compare them at least, is with players who are at the club (or most of the time, the standards we've come to expect from a certain position). If a player isn't good enough to be starting for United, and he wants first team action somewhere, he obviously needs to downgrade. Same with Welbeck. Both of them were probably around Everton level (before Martinez) so while it's harsh to say mid table, it is part of the upper mid table range.

When I say we haven't produced anyone of United quality, I mean we haven't produced any starting 11 quality player. Welbeck can become a good player, but he'll never be RVP quality, or Rooney quality, or RVN. He might yet become a very good striker but he really needs to start pushing on like Sturridge has at Liverpool and he won't get those chances at United. Evans as well is a good defender, but that's it. His level is like 5-7th place, not really a top 4 or title challenging defender, and far away from the defenders we've come to expect these last 20 years at United. Evans is more in line with the defenders we've used while we were in transition, not part of any really successful back 4's

Is Demicheles a title challenging defender ? Is Gael Clichy or Kolarov ?

It is impossible to have the best player at every position at any one time I suspect you already appreciate this, but it is about what each of them does for the team, not what they bring individually, especially true of defenders. This World Cup alone shows what a team can achieve if they are drilled correctly.
 
Is Demicheles a title challenging defender ? Is Gael Clichy or Kolarov ?

It is impossible to have the best player at every position at any one time I suspect you already appreciate this, but it is about what each of them does for the team, not what they bring individually, especially true of defenders. This World Cup alone shows what a team can achieve if they are drilled correctly.
Well yeah of course, but as of yet, Evans hasn't shown that he can do that really and become a key player, or any of them (Brown aside when he was our right back). Anyways, the point was that somebody said our academy hadn't produced any top players for a while and it's in need of improvement, which IMO is true, and there aren't many managers out there with a better eye for talent and developping players then LvG.
 
I wasn't a fan of the decision to bring LVG in but this tournament has taught me one thing about him is that his tactics at the top level are still up to scratch. I don't think this guarantees he will be success for us but i'm more confident now.

Yep, one thing this tournament has shown us is LVG will do anything to win and as a result of this, I think many people will be surprised when we're shifting the ball to Valencia and grinding wins out again.
 
I don't know who that was about to be fair now. Think Mata because he said he's got everything to his name and van Gaal hasn't won anything at international level.
These threads get convoluted very quickly. In the end nobody knows what the hell anyone is talking about. :)
 
I can't wait for van Gaal's first official press conference with Shaw and Herrera sitting beside him. Maybe we will sign even more players by that time! Exciting times. :drool:
 
Mata has a world cup medal....

He is only missing the premiership one in his collection. He has won everything else possible. Lets hope This next season he will have completed his collection.

I was mentioning the more fergie players who never really wanted to listen to moyes from the moment he arrived, now the squad that completely failed the club last season cannot hide
 
If Holland do win it, I could imagine van Gaal keeping hold of the cup. Everyone would be too afraid to ask for it back :lol:

We could have the fergie boot incident with beckham if any player gets on his wrong side , throws the World Cup at them LOLLLL
 
There's a story that Big Louis got the club, to change the grass/pitches at Carrington to the exact measurements etc etc, to that of the pitch at Old Trafford.

Mad if that is true
 
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