That applies to fullbacks in a 4-4-2 anyway. You're adding an extra player (CB) into the mix that has less license to go forward in these situations.
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That applies to fullbacks in a 4-4-2 anyway. You're adding an extra player (CB) into the mix that has less license to go forward in these situations.
No fecking way will we play with 5 at the back. He is only using that system because his Dutch team is average and needs to get the best out of Robben and RVP. Here he can buy the players he wants.
I think he will play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.
I think he will play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.
Journo's havent got a clue what LVG's tactics will be at United
Both exactly right. There are a number of quotes from LVG saying that the formation he chooses depends on the players he has, not him.
For the last 5 years our team has been built around a 4231. At the most he may, MAY do a 433 but the chances of us doing 3 at the back are absolutely zero, we should stop thinking about it
Exactly, he's only playing the three DC system now to accommodate for Strootman's injury. It's not as if he had a tactical epiphany only weeks leading up to the world cup and decided that Hoddle was right in '98 and wingback is retrosexual again......
Given the large quantity of number 10s in the squad, I'm expecting a 4-2-3-1 formation. I think a 3-4-3 can almost certainly be ruled out, as it would mean both Rooney and Mata playing out of position, and an extremely one-paced attack. Ashton's piece is undermined by the suggestion that Van Gaal will look to replicate the Dutch 3-4-3 at United; the Dutch haven't been using a 3-4-3.
Nothing to stop him using a 3-5-2. Pretty much the only way we are going to get our best three attackers on the pitch in their best positions.
Thing is that LVG has some pressure on him to do well right away. 4th is presumably the minimum expectation and the competition is pretty fierce. So, if I were him I'd probably be looking at going for a system which isn't completely unfamiliar (to the majority of the players). Going for a four at the back seems most likely given this. When he gets started on the job there'll be a mere month before the season kicks off, he doesn't have time on his side in terms of drilling them in a brand new system.
I wouldn't be surprised if he went for a 4-2-3-1 of sorts to begin with.
I wouldn't be surprised if he went for a 4-2-3-1 of sorts to begin with.
I would be shocked if he did, he has perfected 4-3-3 for many years and considering the players we have and the style he will look to play, we are far more likely to play 3-5-2 with two wing backs in the form of Caudrado and Shaw. Vermealen at LCB, Jones/new signing CB and Smalling or new signing at RCB. Across the middle Herrera, new CM and Mata with RVP and a partner just behind, most likely Rooney.
I highly doubt we'll play with 3 centre backs, the only reason he has done in the World Cup is because he hasn't got a natural left back.
I reckon we'll play some variation of a 4-3-3, whether that's with an attacking midfielder or a defensive one remains to be seen but all things considered it's the most likely scenario.
Well 4-2-3-1 is a somewhat flawed system created by lesser teams to be more defensive against the advent of tika taka leading to teams like Chelsea who have rode off the formation for years in big games. These days it seems the wide players In the system tend to have more pace and seem to be traditional wingers that double up as cover at full back positions.
What I used to love about United was the way we would completely over run a team on the flanks with overlapping runners and midfielders who would sit directly infant of the D spreading play and threading passes through.
With LVG our style will completely change to a more combatative and intelligent way of playing, the old way was amazing because we had the players and the opposition didn't have anything close to our class of 92. Now we find ourselves at a crux, stick or twist. Moyes tried to twist, but he did it in such a normal way, other teams were already playing the same game and better just with less rotation in the middle.
I can't wait to see interlinking triangles, high pressing and lightening breaks from midfield. I think we'll start slow, eventually the system will click and we'll be amazing to watch.
It could really be an English revolution if he pulls it off. We could see an English team playing with the kind of flair were used to seeing on the continent. LVG couldn't have come at a better time.
Well, we'll see. 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, it ain't all that different depending on what roles the players have. I doubt very much we'll play with three at the back, though - can't see that happening. It would be interesting, though - completely different from anything we've been used to.
4-2-3-1 isn't a flawed or defensive formation at all, it's a more attacking variation of the 4-3-3 with the anchor you're talking about. 3-5-2 would be more defensive than that.
If Van Gaal opts for 3 at the back, I'd much prefer Evans as liberio, as he's good on the ball, uses his great passing range to start attacks, and reads play well.
I doubt we'll go with a back three, but if we do, I'd like to see:
Jones - Evans - Smalling
I doubt we'll go with a back three, but if we do, I'd like to see:
Jones - Evans - Smalling
As opposed to what? We don't possess any other centre-halves?
As opposed to what? We don't possess any other centre-halves?
Should have explained myself better. The article below states that Van Gaal, (although obvious BS) would use Vermaelen as libero if he were to join United. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-revolution-transform-Manchester-United.html
Yeah, I knew.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-revolution-transform-Manchester-United.html
I do think van Gaal will implement his usual 4-3-3, but I would not be surprised to see us with three at the back sometimes this season. The World Cup seems to have revived three at the back somewhat.
As opposed to what? We don't possess any other centre-halves?
My thoughts exactly. We need another CB and Michael Keane to develop asap.
Fergie said that no player is bigger than the club and in reality no player was bigger than him.
I liked that set-up. He was not afraid to drop or sell anyone.
I think in LVG we will have a similar situation. It will be his way or the highway.
He will decide what formation and set of players will yield success, regardless of what others think or say.
Its fun to speculate but I cant wait to see what changes he actually makes.
I liked that set-up. He was not afraid to drop or sell anyone.
I think in LVG we will have a similar situation. It will be his way or the highway.
He will decide what formation and set of players will yield success, regardless of what others think or say.
Its fun to speculate but I cant wait to see what changes he actually makes.
I think not bringing in Kroos will prove to be a mistake on LvG's part. He'll be amazing at Madrid and in a couple years time we'll be wondering why we didn't buy him.
Do we know for certain Van Gaal turned Kroos down and not perhaps the other way round which is arguably more convincing with Madrid sniffing around?
What difference does it make when we're not getting him?
Well it's in response to Senor's point, the only difference is one would count as a mistake on Van Gaal's part and the other wouldn't. As the thread is about LVG it's a relevant question to ask.
Agree makes no difference overall, but I don't think we were ever going to sign Kroos, even if Moyes was still here and living in the pockets of his agent.
I have to say this which I previously haven't, we are extremely lucky to get such a good manager as van Gaal. I can't think of one manager i'd have in front of him - no joke, not even Sir Alex. He'll return us where we belong, winning the premier league once more - I'm certain of it. We're in for a joyride, and I'm ecstatic.
Yeah, I knew.
I do think van Gaal will implement his usual 4-3-3, but I would not be surprised to see us with three at the back sometimes this season. The World Cup seems to have revived three at the back somewhat.
I actually like the idea of Carrick dropping deep as CB, and goes with Smalling - Carrick - Jones/Evans. Come to think about it, it is an excellent combination of pace, height, tackling, roughness, and good distribution from the back.
Even if he tried why would he reject Madrid?
That's sort of the point. Last season, we struggled to do some of the basics and it was shell-shocking. We would have subs come on and there seemed to be no real adjustment to the fact we had a sub on the field. The Olympiakos first leg game was the epitome of our dysfunction. When Kagawa stated Moyes asked him to get on the ball and try to dictate but that he wasnt the getting the ball from teammates enough, it only further increased the doubts.
Plus depending on the instructions, Depay could have been deployed as a wide forward or a 10 instead of a winger as he was used against Australia and Chile so although it may seem basic, it's sometimes the small, subtle changes which lead to big impacts.
I actually dont mind that we didn't get Kroos. After hearing from the Bayern fans and others elsewhere about how Kroos views himself a bit too highly, the idea of Kroos signing seemed to be appeal less to me. He's a great, great player but i'm wary of players like that. Seeing how Herrera feels about our club, I'd much rather have a player like him at our club.
I wouldn't rule out that he might experiment with a three at the back at times. But if he intends to go for that as part of our primary formation, I find it a bit odd that he spunked thirty mill on Shaw.
Watch Shaw go the way of Bale.
I think I read Kroos saying we were never an option he even considered.
All systems are flawed, just some work better than others for different teams.
Could be. Strikes me as a bit different, though.
I sincerely hope he gets Valencia somewhere close to his best. His understanding with Raf is incredibly underrated because they were magnificent together. Those 2 providing width down the right and Janujaz tucking in and combing with Mata/RVP/Herrera should be fun to watch.
Rooney ?
It's interesting seeing so many believe that van Gaal will actually go three at the back even after what van Gaal said and the fact that we only have 4 proper central defenders in our team (I'm counting M. Keane as a first-team defender at this point). Also, the midfield plays a very important role in a 3-man-defence system. The midfield determines whether the team sets up for counterattacks, seeks to maintain possession, or be all-rounded and dynamic. However, the 2 deep midfielders must be solid defensively; otherwise, we'll be easily opened up through the middle. Plus, the fact that this setup requires wing backs to push up to provide the width means that the opposition can easily stretch the 3-man-defence setup and create gaps in the middle (as Australia demonstrated against the Dutch).
For us to implement a 3-man defence setup, we'll need more central defenders and more central midfielders who are defensively solid. The midfield needs to be able to cover up any of the defensive gaps that form whether out wide or in the middle. Also, we'll need one of our front 3 to drift out wide in order to prevent the central areas to be heavily congested (van Persie can do this excellently as well as Mata or Kagawa).
Ultimately, though, I doubt we'd go for a 3-man-defence setup given what we have right now. Unless we get 2 central defenders, get 2 defensively-capable central midfielders, and sell all of our wingers bar Januzaj, we won't play a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3. Besides, van Gaal has the freedom to buy any player(s) for his favoured setup rather than not as is the case with international football.
For us to implement a 3-man defence setup, we'll need more central defenders and more central midfielders who are defensively solid. The midfield needs to be able to cover up any of the defensive gaps that form whether out wide or in the middle. Also, we'll need one of our front 3 to drift out wide in order to prevent the central areas to be heavily congested (van Persie can do this excellently as well as Mata or Kagawa).
Ultimately, though, I doubt we'd go for a 3-man-defence setup given what we have right now. Unless we get 2 central defenders, get 2 defensively-capable central midfielders, and sell all of our wingers bar Januzaj, we won't play a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3. Besides, van Gaal has the freedom to buy any player(s) for his favoured setup rather than not as is the case with international football.
Journo's havent got a clue what LVG's tactics will be at United
This whole thread has been people not having a clue what his tactics will be but debating the 4-1-2-test-testing-1-2-3 formation until we all get fecking number dyslexia.
Just read that he's 6 foot 1, is that right? Didn't think he was anywhere near that tall
Yes.
Which makes him taller than Bale according to most sources. Really surprised at that. Probably because he's so stocky for a young kid.
Just waiting for a few photo's of him on the beach now so the caf can say he's a fat bastard
Just waiting for a few photo's of him on the beach now so the caf can say he's a fat bastard
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