Celtic Appoint Ronny Deila As New Manager

Celtic also got mugged 6-1 by spurs in a friendly about a week ago. All the signs are that this new manager is out of his depth but he'll still win the league in Scotland by 30 points as an Otter could manage celtic to the Scottish title.
Moyes must be kicking himself for not trying harder to get the Celtic gig. Celtic are the perfect club for Moyes as he could have implemented his dour rigid dinosaur 442 there and as dour as this version of 442 can be for a big club - for a smaller club the system is still rigid enough to grind out results against top teams so he'd be a hero eventually there
 
Pink Moon said:
3-0 is the default forfeit. Had Legia scored another goal in Poland (they could have easily won about 7 or 8-1 on the night) then a 3-0 forfeit would be irrelevant.
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We discussed it yesterday, I don't think it's straightforward when 3-0 isn't all you need to progress.
 
its incredibly harsh on Legia - the guy played about 2 mins when they were already 6-1 up

but more importantly, he actually did serve his 3 match ban - they just forgot to do the right paperwork!
 
First and foremost football should be played on the pitch, should be about results and performances not about completing paperwork. Legia did not try to cheat, they didn't deliberately feck up paperwork for St Patricks tie - they made a simple mistake, in normal life you'd never expect such extreme penalty for similar error. Legia won fair and square on the pitch and should be through, the minute we start caring about paperwork more than football it stops making sense.
 
Sarni said:
First and foremost football should be played on the pitch, should be about results and performances not about completing paperwork. Legia did not try to cheat, they didn't deliberately feck up paperwork for St Patricks tie - they made a simple mistake, in normal life you'd never expect such extreme penalty for similar error. Legia won fair and square on the pitch and should be through, the minute we start caring about paperwork more than football it stops making sense.
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You're talking about UEFA here. Common sense doesn't exist in their (Platini's) world.
 
Would've made more sense to replay the game he appeared in.

Anyway, UEFA will always favour the larger sides of Europe. I'm sure they'd have given us a wink and a nod too in the same situation.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Would've made more sense to replay the game he appeared in.

Anyway, UEFA will always favour the larger sides of Europe. I'm sure they'd have given us a wink and a nod too in the same situation.
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Replaying the game would be sort of pointless too as he had no influence on its result whatsoever.

Have browsed through forums and basically this is the only place where a large amount of people think it was fair to boot Legia out. Everywhere else people seem just as outraged as I am, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal fans forums etc.
 
In my opinion Legia should have been fined heavily and gone through. However they were so stupid for thinking the player had served a suspension when he was not registered to play. Its basic common sense for a player to be registered and I cannot believe how idiotic his club were in this situation. Its wrong Celtic go through as they are rubbish but rules are rules and they are not even new ones
 
Ringo 07 said:
Celtic also got mugged 6-1 by spurs in a friendly about a week ago. All the signs are that this new manager is out of his depth but he'll still win the league in Scotland by 30 points as an Otter could manage celtic to the Scottish title.
Moyes must be kicking himself for not trying harder to get the Celtic gig. Celtic are the perfect club for Moyes as he could have implemented his dour rigid dinosaur 442 there and as dour as this version of 442 can be for a big club - for a smaller club the system is still rigid enough to grind out results against top teams so he'd be a hero eventually there
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It was our youth team that lost to Spurs' first team.

You may be bigger than us but we're also a big club so there's nothing at all to suggest we'd accept a shit manager with shit football simply because we'd still win because of the competition. For the record, I don't think Moyes is a shit manager, just not cut out for a club quite as big as United.
 
Apparently Celtic were offered to sign an agreement that they would not take it to CAS if the ruling was not in their favour but refused to and UEFA had no choice as they feared losing millions there. This could be bollocks so don't take my word on this.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19179117

Another precedent where the exact same thing happened (a 3-0 forfeit). It's so unfortunate for Legia but would they be arguing against the 3-0 forfeit if their player hadn't missed the two penalties in the first leg? The fact a 3-0 loss puts them out on away goals is irrelevant. That's the punishment. Their appeal should be thrown out as quickly as it was/is lodged.
 
Why didn't a Eufa official not warn them when they saw he was on the bench? They had to present a team sheet, so why didn't they just say he is still banned so they could either select someone else or just be a man short on the bench. A lot of people have not done their jobs properly here.
 
Pink Moon said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19179117

Another precedent where the exact same thing happened (a 3-0 forfeit). It's so unfortunate for Legia but would they be arguing against the 3-0 forfeit if their player hadn't missed the two penalties in the first leg? The fact a 3-0 loss puts them out on away goals is irrelevant. That's the punishment. Their appeal should be thrown out as quickly as it was/is lodged.
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If it were 5-1 in the first leg the forfeit would never be 3-0, I still stand by that. They would simply boot Legia out of CL then I imagine. 4-1 was not relevant.
 
Sarni said:
If it were 5-1 in the first leg the forfeit would never be 3-0, I still stand by that. They would simply boot Legia out of CL.
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How can you come to that conclusion? What about this incident has given you the impression that there's a UEFA conspiracy against Legia? There's no way to back up what you said, it's just biased speculation.
 
Sarni said:
If it were 5-1 in the first leg the forfeit would never be 3-0, I still stand by that. They would simply boot Legia out of CL then I imagine. 4-1 was not relevant.
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Forfeited games are always 3-0. There's plenty examples of it and it's also literally in the rule book.
 
I still stand by what I said - common sense should be used in this example along with rules. Fine, additional ban and go.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Why didn't a Eufa official not warn them when they saw he was on the bench? They had to present a team sheet, so why didn't they just say he is still banned so they could either select someone else or just be a man short on the bench. A lot of people have not done their jobs properly here.
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Agreed. It is definitely the club's responsibility to do the correct paperwork, but UEFA should never have let them put the player on the team sheet. It's their job too to ensure that clubs follow the rules. After all, clubs are their to play football and the whole point of having a body like UEFA is to make sure the paperwork is done properly.
 
on a side note, Celtic are muck now. Just goes to show how bad the scottish league is.
 
I generally like Celtic and are happy for them to go through or what ever but i think they have been so poor they will get whats coming to them in the next round any way and will probably lose.
 
As a Godset supporter I cannot help but love Deila, and naturally I want him to do well in Celtic. But honestly, going through like this is just wrong.
 
Sarni said:
I imagine you were on of the few people chuffed to bits when Rio got his ban then.
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The two situations are completely different and raise questions as to your accusation of big club bias. People who failed drug tests got more lenient punishments and an unknown player got a fine for the same offence.
 
acnumber9 said:
The two situations are completely different and raise questions as to your accusation of big club bias. People who failed drug tests got more lenient punishments and an unknown player got a fine for the same offence.
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Rules are rules. Rio could have got 2 years. He was extremely lucky to escape with only 8 months.

It was FA not UEFA.
 
golden_blunder said:
on a side note, Celtic are muck now. Just goes to show how bad the scottish league is.
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We can't compete financially with English teams. Lower league teams like Forest are spending near 6m on players.

Forces us to buy unknown players with potential and hope to sell them on for a profit a year or two later.
 
Sarni said:
Rules are rules. Rio could have got 2 years. He was extremely lucky to escape with only 8 months.

It was FA not UEFA.
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He was banned from competing in all competitions. I also can't think of a higher punishment for a drug offence in football. How can you consider that extremely lucky and whine incessantly about a club being punished similarly to others for their own stupidity?
 
acnumber9 said:
He was banned from competing in all competitions. I also can't think of a higher punishment for a drug offence in football. How can you consider that extremely lucky and whine incessantly about a club being punished similarly to others for their own stupidity?
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I don't consider that lucky, I thought it was stupid for FA to ban him for that long for forgetting to do a drug test likewise I reckon it's stupid by UEFA to basically expel team from competition for forgetting to register a player for the previous round thinking they didn't have to then playing him for 3 minutes of an already won tie. It's not me who's showing double standards here to be fair.
 
Sarni said:
Rules are rules. Rio could have got 2 years. He was extremely lucky to escape with only 8 months.

It was FA not UEFA.
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Sarni said:
I don't consider that lucky, I thought it was stupid for FA to ban him for that long for forgetting to do a drug test likewise I reckon it's stupid by UEFA to basically expel team from competition for forgetting to register a player for the previous round thinking they didn't have to then playing him for 3 minutes of an already won tie. It's not me who's showing double standards here to be fair.
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Then why did you say he was extremely lucky. He was far from it given the same offence was committed by a different player who got fined. No big club bias there. What double standard is anyone else showing?
 
acnumber9 said:
Then why did you say he was extremely lucky. He was far from it given the same offence was committed by a different player who got fined. No big club bias there. What double standard is anyone else showing?
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I said it because I assume that's how people must feel about his fine if they think Legia's punishment here was fitting. I doubt they do mind.
 
Rood said:
its incredibly harsh on Legia - the guy played about 2 mins when they were already 6-1 up

but more importantly, he actually did serve his 3 match ban - they just forgot to do the right paperwork!
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Crikey, that is a shambles. Just scanned the story, didn't really read it and didn't see he had served the ban. Would have thought the paperwork of that would really be Uefa's issue, but clearly not.
Is losing 6-1 and getting through on a technicality a record margin of defeat to have overturned?
 
Sarni said:
I said it because I assume that's how people must feel about his fine if they think Legia's punishment here was fitting. I doubt they do mind.
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Ferdinand's ban was heavier than those who failed drug tests therefore it was excessive. What happened to Legia Warsaw has happened to others who have made the same mistake. It isn't a precedent. Rio's ban was and to my knowledge hasn't been repeated since.
 
Jippy said:
Crikey, that is a shambles. Just scanned the story, didn't really read it and didn't see he had served the ban. Would have thought the paperwork of that would really be Uefa's issue, but clearly not.
Is losing 6-1 and getting through on a technicality a record margin of defeat to have overturned?
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The 6-1 was not overturned. The second leg 2-0 loss got turned into a 3-0 win and Celtic went though on away goals.
 
acnumber9 said:
Ferdinand's ban was heavier than those who failed drug tests therefore it was excessive. What happened to Legia Warsaw has happened to others who have made the same mistake. It isn't a precedent. Rio's ban was and to my knowledge hasn't been repeated since.
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I don't think the same has happened to anyone else. There were teams fielding banned players expeled from the competition but when you actually consider that he has served his ban and it only did not count because of a paperwork error in the previous round it really was extremely harsh.

I'm going nowhere with this, if people want to think Legia cheated and Celtic deserved to go through then fine. I'm out of here.
 
Sarni said:
I don't think the same has happened to anyone else. There were teams fielding banned players expeled from the competition but when you actually consider that he has served his ban and it only did not count because of a paperwork error in the previous round it really was extremely harsh.

I'm going nowhere with this, if people want to think Legia cheated and Celtic deserved to go through then fine. I'm out of here.
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They played a suspended player. You've been given example of when clubs have been similarly punished.

I haven't seen anyone say they cheated. Although questions have to be asked as to why they didn't register him. Surely a football club who regularly compete in Europe know the rules. Blaming UEFA for applying their rules and accusing them of bias is childish. Only one party is to blame for this. It isn't Celtic and it isn't UEFA.
 
acnumber9 said:
They played a suspended player. You've been given example of when clubs have been similarly punished.

I haven't seen anyone say they cheated. Although questions have to be asked as to why they didn't register him. Surely a football club who regularly compete in Europe know the rules. Blaming UEFA for applying their rules and accusing them of bias is childish. Only one party is to blame for this. It isn't Celtic and it isn't UEFA.
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They didn't know he was still suspended because they made a paperwork error. If you reckon that teams should be thrown out of competition for that then fine, hopefully it'll never happen to your team (or anything similar at work etc.) so you don't have to go through something like this with people branding you cheater and telling you that you deserved this. Punishment should fit the crime and common sense should be used, both in football and real life, now it appears that to UEFA football is more about administrative stuff than on the pitch stuff.
 
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