Yes you can even see his medical kit with his name written on it on the ground. Im surprised that Bayern Munich fans on here have not noticed it yet. Do they recognize their coaches?
I think its pretty clear really. Pep was talking to his coaches.
Guardiola insults medical staff | Medical team resigns
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He's not going mental or losing it. He got mad and did something dumb, it's not like he ran over and started beating them saying if they're so good they should heal their own broken legs.
wrong on several accounts. At Bayern, never the Coach has the final say in Transfers. He got a wish fulfilled with Thiago, but neither Lewa nor Kroos were his decisions.
"He is going mental" because he lost his cool on the touch line. - we've seen most top managers lose their cool. Silly point. Mental thing to say.
"It's not working" - he's going to win the bundesliga again. Mourinho got knocked in the previous round and we didn't make this stage either under sir Alex on his last attempt either. Pep is allowed to not win the cl like every other manager dos throughout their careers bar a couple of years at most.
The amount of knee jerk posts in this thread is amazing.
The amount of knee jerk posts in this thread is amazing.
He was sarcastically clapping at the medical team, the doctor being there or not is irrelevant. If you can't see he acted like a dick in the video, then you need your head sorted. You support Barcelona, so it's natural you take Guardiola's side. Nothing wrong with it too.
It is very apparent that the medical team didn't resign due to this incident alone, otherwise they would have quit right after the Leverkusen game. If you think it through with a bit of logic, it's safe to assume that the medical team complained to the bigger heads and after probably being told that Guardiola is important, they would have taken the decision to quit.
Guardiola comes out of this looking like a massive dick, unless you are Eboue who just randomly picks the other side of the popular opinion here.
Is this the doctor that Bolt goes to, that uses a lot of unproven alternative methods?
Yes
I think it's important to make the point that this doctor uses the usual methods as well as dabbling in unusual methods. A few people in this thread seem to think that all he does is slather honey on players while injecting them with peacock sperm. Or something.
In Germany there is speculation that the doc probably was agsinst playing Thiago for 90 mins against Porto so quickly after his recovery, but Guardiola played him.
And as it has been mentioned the doc was against sending Thiago to Spain when he got injured last year in March, but Pep did it, the board supported Pep's decision, result: Thiago was out for an entire year.
Now Matthäus has said losing this doc for Bayern is like losing Robben/Ribery/Thiago all at once.
Hitzfeld says this weakens the team and that the players fully trust the doc and most will continue to go to him, but he also says that the club needs to support the manager and not a doc if it comes to making a decision.
Effenberg says it's dangerous to give Guardiola that much power.
Imo the whole thing is a bit similar to Mourinho's RM time when they even got rid off Valdano and backed Mourinho, giving him more power than any other former Real manager.
Now at Bayen Rummenigge has been defending Guardiola non stop and been praising him at every possible opportunity, giving him more power than former Bayern managers have had.
And as it has been mentioned the doc was against sending Thiago to Spain when he got injured last year in March, but Pep did it, the board supported Pep's decision, result: Thiago was out for an entire year.
Now Matthäus has said losing this doc for Bayern is like losing Robben/Ribery/Thiago all at once.
Hitzfeld says this weakens the team and that the players fully trust the doc and most will continue to go to him, but he also says that the club needs to support the manager and not a doc if it comes to making a decision.
Effenberg says it's dangerous to give Guardiola that much power.
Imo the whole thing is a bit similar to Mourinho's RM time when they even got rid off Valdano and backed Mourinho, giving him more power than any other former Real manager.
Now at Bayen Rummenigge has been defending Guardiola non stop and been praising him at every possible opportunity, giving him more power than former Bayern managers have had.
Gunnar Pettersen?
Is it Pep-hate week?
Where is the doctor? Huh?
People need to get their facts straight instead of attacking him based on an unclear vine that doesn't even show the whole bench.
Also this:
Sorry to dissappoint you guys but it seems people just want to believe what they WANT to believe based on a small clip but Pep does even not seem to be looking at Dr. Han-Wilhelm Muller. Over the years i have notice Pep is one of those coaches who is highly animated on the touchline. His body language can be highly comical at times. He was probably just bemoaning his luck or tactics to his coaches, just like LVG was shouting at Giggs.
Dr. Muller has long hair and looks like this.
These are his assistant coaches Germant and Torrent. The bald guy is obviously ex Germany internationl Sammer who is their sporting director.
Who is he clapping at? Certainly not his medical staff i don't think so!
Also notice the doctors name on his medical kit on the right.
Further proof. From another angle.
This is how they normally seem to be seated. Below from the Porto game.
Its clear as daylight that he wasn't clapping at his medical team. Rather it was his assistant coaches. Id assume purely out of frustration. Also this happened against Leverkusen. Since then they've played two more games. If he was doing it to their faces wouldn't they have resigned that day? Surely no one could stand such an insult?
“I respect Müller-Wohlfahrt’s decision and that is all I can say. When a player is injured then it is not the fault of the doctor. Injured is injured. We could have lost against Porto even if we had had the injured players available. No one can guarantee that we would have won with our best XI.
“We lost because of Pep, as simple as that. When we lose it is my fault. Not someone from the board or the medical team. It is my fault and my fault only.”
Guardiola was also forced to comment on a Vine that circulated on Thursday night, from the recent game against Bayer Leverkusen, claiming to show the Spaniard sarcastically applauding Müller-Wohlfahrt after a Bayern player had got injured. “That was just me being disappointed. It had nothing to do with Müller-Wohlfahrt,” he said.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/17/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-doctor
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Did you not know that 'KNEE JERK' is the new statement of the Caf, taking over from the old 'He needs to bulk up'?
No I still think guardiola acted like a dick. I just don't think it's worth resigning over.
How do you know that for a fact? I don't get your logic there as you're just seeing what you want to see. I never defended his actions there, but again people are just painting a picture that suits their narrative without any clear evidence. With the amount of injuries they had/have it is natural for people to question the reasons and problems. Both of us, or anyone in this thread, know exactly what happened behind the scenes and who is right or wrong, we also don't know why Pep clapped sarcastically. We do know that the medical team and the doctor were not there in the bench, which kinda goes against the whole story and 80% of posts in this thread. BILD also reported that an argument between Rummenigge and Doctor Muller was the main reason behind the resignation. So you see that my main gripe is that most posts have been based on misinformation and a shitty vine.
Pep did act in an unethical way, but calling for his resignation is just beyond ridiculous.
I'll definitely agree with that. If Guardiola doesn't want to resign, he shouldn't. But if he is fired by the Bayern board, that's their decision.
Guardiola acted like a dick, people get fired for this sort of nonsense.
Resigning from a dream job in such club is a shame but it's their right to do it if they were humiliated in front of fans and coworkers.
Guardiola loves drama acting but this is not Spain anymore. A little bit of failed communication also caused the thing to escalate.
Guardiola loves drama acting but this is not Spain anymore. A little bit of failed communication also caused the thing to escalate.
Firstly, his medical team was to the right. Secondly, he even said in an interview that it had nothing to do with them. Is that not enough? There is no proof whatsoever that it was aimed at the doctor, none. He could have handled it better though. With the amount of cameras around these days you have to be careful.
That's the only thing you got out of my post? And to answer you, no they don't. Otherwise Mourinho would've been fired plenty of times by now.
It's a bit tedious that you, a Barcelona supporter looking at this incident accusing others of having an agenda while posting. Go home man, you are drunk
Who's that bloke sat next to Sammer, facing the camera? @Balu @otherBayernposters
He had to pointlessly mention Mourinho as well
No chance. He'll at least finish his contract till the summer of 2016.
Looks like Kilian Müller-Wohlfahrt. The son of the old doc that is at the training sessions every day and travels with the team to normal away matches. He is a doctor, too.
He does that since Guardiola critisized that there is no doctor installed in Säbener Straße and the players had to travel the 10 minutes to the inner city to go to the doctor when something happens. Now Killian is there for the first checks - and the rest got handled in the doctor's rooms.
Very poor WUM.
If Real end the season without a trophy I can see them showing him the door. Capello and Del Bosque got shown the door, even after winning the league after all.
He's ahead of his time.
Come on, both Müller-Wohlfahrt and his son were on the bench next to Sammer. There's no way one of your pictures proves that Guardiola didn't aim his antics at those two and it makes perfect sense after all the tension between them in the past year. I like Pep and want him to stay, I don't think he should be fired over this or anything like that. It wasn't the last straw that lead to the resignation of the medical staff either. But he acted like a dick, there's no way around that and just because he didn't admit it in the press conference today doesn't mean it's not true.
I think you're being very unfair on him. The pictures are just to show who was seated where. The video is pretty clear where his antics were being directed to. And it was to the left of Sammer. I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise.
Surely you're not talking about that vine clip posted here? Because there's no way you can see where his antics are directed to from the angle of the camera.
Seriously, is there any other footage available? Because no one can reasonably argue that Pep has his body turned slightly right or left from that clip.
I was looking at this youtube video as i can't play vine on redcafe for some reason. I can play it on my vine app though.
Between this and the vine clip it really doesn't look to me like he turns right. If its not clear then its all the more reason to give him the benefit of doubt. If it was indeed aimed at the medical team then would that not be so insulting that they'd resign after the game instead of waiting for two more games? Im not convinced. I think people are desperately trying to create something that doesn't exist.
The talk of him being fired is ridiculous. You don't fire someone for a moment of frustration and strange behaviour after you've decided that he's the right man to run your team. I hope we don't lose the plot and fire LVG for something like that
It's the same clip.
No, it's just the superstar manager acting like a dick. You need to be able to handle something like that in the business. It's not pretty, it's not fair, it's not as big a deal as it's made out to be either. I'm pretty sure Müller-Wohlfahrt was more insulted when Pep sent a player to a Spanish doctor without talking to him first for example, that was a big deal. A lot happened over the past year between the coaching and the medical staff. Once the board took sides, the medical staff quit. It's really that simple and that's what seems to have happened yesterday evening between Rummenigge and Müller-Wohlfahrt.
Oh i don't doubt that at all. You'd know more about that than me. Im just specifically talking about that clip only. Im very convinced he wasn't facing towards the medical team. It would have been apparent even on a 240x240 resolution. Behind the doors i have no idea what happened. But Pep has always been an oddly animated character on the sidelines with over exaggerated gestures and expressions.
What does he think he is? Does he really believe he's above a doctor? Oh dear.
Oh dear.it was a lot easier with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Welcome to the real world Pep
Poor Pep, consecutive league titles must hurt.
The guy leaving is Dr. Peter Ueblacker, part of the medical staff. He has resigned as well.
Guardiola is looking straight at Sammer and even if he had directed his clapping towards Ueblacker before that - he surely would have a different look on his face? Watching the clip again and looking at the photos it seems to me that Ueblacker was just getting ready to check on Benatia.
That being said there's certainly a history between Müller-Wohlfahrt and Pep and it wouldn't have suprised me if something like this acutally had happened, to be honest, but to me it's clear that it didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes though, but the talks about the medical staff being made responsible for the loss against Porto are worrying.
Guardiola is looking straight at Sammer and even if he had directed his clapping towards Ueblacker before that - he surely would have a different look on his face? Watching the clip again and looking at the photos it seems to me that Ueblacker was just getting ready to check on Benatia.
That being said there's certainly a history between Müller-Wohlfahrt and Pep and it wouldn't have suprised me if something like this acutally had happened, to be honest, but to me it's clear that it didn't. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes though, but the talks about the medical staff being made responsible for the loss against Porto are worrying.
i can see this from all sides really.
Firstly, I see a really frustrated coach who is a notorious perfectionist, momentarily losing his cool. Stop the press.
Secondly, we can't really tell who that is aimed at, if indeed it is aimed at anyone. It's all conjecture and speculation.
Thirdly, if I was the subject of this sort of public ire, I would be extremely annoyed, especially as a seasoned professional.
Fourthly, we don't know what has been going on behind the scenes. It's not the first time MW has quit. Great doctor by all accounts, but sounds a bit precious.
Fifthly, Bayern is a very political club full of opinionated personalities. This goes back to the last point. Other people may be involved in this debacle.
And finally, it's easy to judge from the comfort of an armchair. When you live your life under the watchful gaze of TV cameras, it's hard not to ever make a mistake. Lots of people came in here quick to get the knives out, without knowing the facts. Smacks of personal bias rather than reasonable judgement.
Firstly, I see a really frustrated coach who is a notorious perfectionist, momentarily losing his cool. Stop the press.
Secondly, we can't really tell who that is aimed at, if indeed it is aimed at anyone. It's all conjecture and speculation.
Thirdly, if I was the subject of this sort of public ire, I would be extremely annoyed, especially as a seasoned professional.
Fourthly, we don't know what has been going on behind the scenes. It's not the first time MW has quit. Great doctor by all accounts, but sounds a bit precious.
Fifthly, Bayern is a very political club full of opinionated personalities. This goes back to the last point. Other people may be involved in this debacle.
And finally, it's easy to judge from the comfort of an armchair. When you live your life under the watchful gaze of TV cameras, it's hard not to ever make a mistake. Lots of people came in here quick to get the knives out, without knowing the facts. Smacks of personal bias rather than reasonable judgement.