Sorry Matt, ever since they got that distinct society clause back in the 80s we can't control them anymore.
American Cops Doing What They Do Best
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Sorry Matt, ever since they got that distinct society clause back in the 80s we can't control them anymore.
We might have to build a huge wall of ice at the border to keep the wildlings out. I did meet a couple at a restaurant driving down from Toronto in February who were quite nice. They were driving to SC to play golf. That was when NC didn't get above freezing for about 2 weeks.
Looks like Gray's injury was sustained in the van. He wasn't secured (against regs) and hit his neck on a bolt. Question is, was this a complete accident, did Gray hurt himself or was he pushed into the bolt.
No way that will ever be proven one way or the other, surely? Unless one of the officers involved speaks up, but that's not going to happen.
Yeah, I got your back
One can only hope so.
Kind of far fetched to think he voluntarily broke his neck.
Indeed. Although I suspect most teenage boys have come close, at least once.
totally agree.
Seriously? Seems obvious that he was trying to frame the police.
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Who is Marilyn J. Mosby? A Guide to the Baltimore State’s Attorney
http://time.com/3843506/marilyn-mosby-baltimore-freddie-gray-murder-charges/
No I'm not British, and neither of those posts are about the police force, its hard to make a point about a nations psyche without generalising a bit.
I'm sure the vast majority of Americans police are honest well intentioned people with nothing but the protection of their communities in mind - probably the same as most German soldiers in WWII.
I'm not talking about individuals or even the police force itself, more the environment they and it operate within.
Who is Marilyn J. Mosby? A Guide to the Baltimore State’s Attorney
http://time.com/3843506/marilyn-mosby-baltimore-freddie-gray-murder-charges/
There's a good chance she's massively fecked up by revealing her hand this early. If she's not correct, all the officers could walk in the end (and rightly so, if she's not correct), which will result in a massive meltdown and far more violence than we've seen this week.
I agree, I hope for her sake she can back all of it up. But I think the intent and ambition is there for all to see; she is the nation's youngest state prosecutor at the age of 35, and her announcement of the charges has stunned the entire nation. I don't remember any prosecutor being this tough in recent years, never mind being under 40.
Reminded me of a young Guiliani
Dershowitz says the cops could get off because of the Prosecutor's antics.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/02/a...e-gray-prosecutor-this-is-a-show-trial-video/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/02/a...e-gray-prosecutor-this-is-a-show-trial-video/
I don't really have any evidence to support this assertion, but it's a feeling I have. I think there are two types (primarily) of cop violence going on in the States.
1) Legit assholes and possible racists.
2) Guys who are trying to do their job and make mistakes.
This might seem obvious, but what isn't obvious is the number of cops that get murdered on the streets in America every year. The statistics are shocking. It's no wonder that well intentioned guys are jumpy.
There is a particular execution of a police officer in the 1990's that sort of made the rounds back at the dawn of the internet blowing up. It became as I understand it a training tool on what NOT to do. Basically it's an ex-vietnam veteran off his rocker armed with an ruger mini-14 (I think thats what it was). Who guns down a cop and the entire chilling thing is on the cops dash cam including his screams.
This is the kind of stuff cops in the US have to deal with. A culture where a substantial percentage of the population despises them, and actually believes that murdering them is justifiable. Go watch the video I mentioned on youtube, and then read the comments of people rejoicing in the murder of a police officer who was justified in taking lethal action MANY, MANY times against the lunatic that murdered him. Yet this police officer showed restraint and got executed for it.
This isn't trying to justify what is going on, but people need to realize the context of what IS going on. Yes, you have very obvious crimes being committed by police. You also have an ever increasing slice of the population down here painting every incident with the same brush. You don't read about the many police officers murdered every year in the States. You do hear about every incident of questionable police conduct however.
Should these guys who are jumpy become cops? I don't know, but if not them, who? Being a law enforcement officer in the United States has got to be just about the worst possible job imaginable. How do you balance the knowledge that there are a lot of people who want to kill you JUST for being a cop. How do you do your job day after day not knowing if the guy you just stopped for speeding is going to shoot you in the face when you approach the vehicle to ask for a license and registration. That shit is going to wear on anyone. We need cops, and how are they not going to let that kind of stuff get to them over time?
1) Legit assholes and possible racists.
2) Guys who are trying to do their job and make mistakes.
This might seem obvious, but what isn't obvious is the number of cops that get murdered on the streets in America every year. The statistics are shocking. It's no wonder that well intentioned guys are jumpy.
There is a particular execution of a police officer in the 1990's that sort of made the rounds back at the dawn of the internet blowing up. It became as I understand it a training tool on what NOT to do. Basically it's an ex-vietnam veteran off his rocker armed with an ruger mini-14 (I think thats what it was). Who guns down a cop and the entire chilling thing is on the cops dash cam including his screams.
This is the kind of stuff cops in the US have to deal with. A culture where a substantial percentage of the population despises them, and actually believes that murdering them is justifiable. Go watch the video I mentioned on youtube, and then read the comments of people rejoicing in the murder of a police officer who was justified in taking lethal action MANY, MANY times against the lunatic that murdered him. Yet this police officer showed restraint and got executed for it.
This isn't trying to justify what is going on, but people need to realize the context of what IS going on. Yes, you have very obvious crimes being committed by police. You also have an ever increasing slice of the population down here painting every incident with the same brush. You don't read about the many police officers murdered every year in the States. You do hear about every incident of questionable police conduct however.
Should these guys who are jumpy become cops? I don't know, but if not them, who? Being a law enforcement officer in the United States has got to be just about the worst possible job imaginable. How do you balance the knowledge that there are a lot of people who want to kill you JUST for being a cop. How do you do your job day after day not knowing if the guy you just stopped for speeding is going to shoot you in the face when you approach the vehicle to ask for a license and registration. That shit is going to wear on anyone. We need cops, and how are they not going to let that kind of stuff get to them over time?
For one, gun control. Secondly, police officer is not far and away the most hazardous job out there.
I agree with a lot of your post. I think one of the main problems facing us now is in regards to you first point. The presumption has become racism when a black is killed by a white cop. Racism shouldn't be the rebuttable presumption. Sometimes the cops, as you stated, just make mistakes or hell, maybe a specific cop is just an asshole? It's very dangerous to pain every incident as racism from the get go and detracts from the actual problems of police brutality, poor training, insufficient accountability and an environment that magnifies all of those issues. A woman near Austin who was driving drunk with her six year old was slammed to the ground judo style and knocked unconscious when she lightly resisted recently. She was white. Any grown man should be able to subdue a drunk lady without throwing her like a rag doll and knocking her unconscious. The cop either grossly overreacted or had insufficient training or both. If that was a black woman we'd be hearing racism as the reason again. It's simply counterproductive to play the race card every time and detracts from the bigger picture which is a problem affecting all races.
http://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-pol...yb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
Absolute scumbags trying to stir up more trouble.
Absolute scumbags trying to stir up more trouble.
The stats support it, but it's a bullshit point. It takes a lot of guts to go out on patrol in the worst parts of american cities. I'd be shit-scared to do it unless I was heavily armed and had a lot of back-up...just like the rozzers currently do.
Then I would suggest you wouldn't be a good fit for a police officer job.
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What do you want me to say? If police officers fear disproportionately to the actual danger they face and expect society to grant them extra concessions as a consequence, they probably aren't fit to be police officers. If you feel that way, you aren't a good fit. I know I wouldn't be a good fit.
I have my doubts an autofellatio attempt led to this man's death,
You were making some bullshit point about cops not having a dangerous job. Yes there are many statistically more dangerous jobs, but the danger that LEOs face are somewhat unique. A logger can pretty much plan for what might happen or go wrong but a cop faces all sorts of danger from all kinds of situations.
If a cop going into a call doesn't have some level of fear then they are either dumb or psychotic. It's exactly why they are given some leeway with their actions and why each case of suspected brutality needs to be dealt with individually and by experienced, competent investigators.
It's got nothing to do with whether you or I would be any good at it, it's got everything to do with people who don't know anything about the stresses that some cops face pontificating about how they should be governed.
Finally, someone got the joke!
Yes, and all those sorts of danger they face add up to being less dangerous than a good number of other jobs. People should fear things in proportion to the risk they face. Anything else is irrational. Nevertheless, some people fear airplanes more than automobiles despite the fact that they are relatively safer. I would suggest those people don't become pilots. Likewise, people who fear disproportionately the risks that come with being a police officer shouldn't become police officers.
The last line is, frankly, stupid. We have a civilian controlled country. This isn't a junta. We elect leaders and engage in debates because that's what happens in a democracy. The Commander In Chief didn't serve in the military and the Mayor most likely wasn't a police officer. You should get used to the idea that people can have legitimate opinions on things without having done them personally.
Gun control is pandora's box. It's already been opened. I don't really see any way to apply meaningful gun control in the US at this point. Second, I never said being a cop was the most dangerous profession, however there is no doubt it is one of the most terrifying. My father was a logger, before University I worked for him. That is widely regarded as one of the most dangerous professions in the world. I was never scared to go tree felling. Despite the fact on at least two separate occasions I almost killed myself doing it. I was honestly more worried that Sasquatch if he exists would come make sweet sweet love to me while I was wandering around alone in the deep dark woods of British Columbia.
The psychology of a tree kicking back and turning you into paste isn't the same as a guy walking up behind you and shooting you in the head, or someone shooting you in the face on a routine stop.
The other issue is, ya maybe you're right, maybe guys who get spooked by that line of work shouldn't be in it. On the other hand, what normal person wouldn't get spooked by it? Do we really want people who display zero fear to be in that position? It's a catch 22. Most people are going to be impacted by the potential for violence towards them. The people who don't care about violence towards them probably have other issues we might not want policing our streets.
I can certainly understand why people feel that way but if that is the case either 1) we need to do more education on these issues or 2) people who are overly affected should do something else for a living
I would also point out that the psychology of it also applies to minorities in bad areas, except their attackers do so with almost impunity and the toleration/celebration of society at large.
I would argue that soldiers operate in more tense and dangerous environments. Despite this they are held to much stricter standards. "Looking threatening" is not justification for engaging an enemy combatant with lethal force, and oversteps of authority and policy land you in the brig enroute to a court martial.
A lot of police work in the same environments these bad apples work in, without overstepping their bounds. It is not unrealistic to expect better from urban police forces as a whole, who would not get away with their antics and stunts in rich suburbs.
A lot of police work in the same environments these bad apples work in, without overstepping their bounds. It is not unrealistic to expect better from urban police forces as a whole, who would not get away with their antics and stunts in rich suburbs.
It is very possible that cops will make mistakes. What should happen is a reform of training, tactics and community relations in order to deescalate tense situations, reduxe mistakes made by inexperienced cops, improve bonds between police and urban communities, and focus SWAT teams on extremely violent criminals, not petty drug dealers or protesters. That is not happening, hence the hubba across the nation.
I'm talking about fannies with poliSci degrees who think they know everything. Yes you can have an opinion but it's pretty uninformed and I'd rather we had input on policing methods from those who know the job intimately. The mayor and POTUS don't just set policy, they take input from numerous experts before they figure it out. I'm sure if somebody came up and said 'oh policing isn't very dangerous really, loggers are in a much tougher job' they'd be laughed out of the room.
Newsflash: we already do have input on policing methods from those who know the job intimately. That's how we got into this (untenable) position. Logging or deep sea fishing or whatever is objectively more dangerous than policing. That's not up for debate, we have numbers to prove it.
Quit taking it so personal.