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Got no time for reading books bro
Yeah you do.
@Revan what was the main wheel of time theory that turned out to be false?
I wont post in the other thread anymore,
I tried to keep the post as detail free as possible but I know its stupidly easy to trip up
and give something away or assume something has been cut when its going to show up 2 seasons late possibly elsewhere.
I can talk about it here anyway.
Dont know if these 2 threads have the same mod but you can threadban me from the other if you want.
I tried to keep the post as detail free as possible but I know its stupidly easy to trip up
and give something away or assume something has been cut when its going to show up 2 seasons late possibly elsewhere.
I can talk about it here anyway.
Dont know if these 2 threads have the same mod but you can threadban me from the other if you want.
Wheel of Time spoiler:
That Demandred will use a gate which was in Murandy and so easily invade Andor. It was also thought that he - in shadow - controls that state. No-one was expecting anything from Shara.
Another accepted one (until Jordan dismissed it) was that M'hael is Demandred in disguise.
Another accepted one (until Jordan dismissed it) was that M'hael is Demandred in disguise.
Can we discuss about the song of ice and fire and the price that promised?
Prince?
thanks, I was expecting the second one but not the former since it was stated that he had build a huge army and given his personality wouldn't be subservient to anyone else like that forsaken whose name started with m.
Did you think that sanderson did a very poor job of finishing the books? I read them all in one go and the drop in quality is noticeable. Only really enjoyed mat's chapters near the end and he has an annoying tendency of using the characters name over and over again instead of pronouns. It just felt like the series grew too big for him and he added more characters so none of them were really fleshed out! There was a chapter where he wrote "the creature known as pedren fain" once every sentence which was ridiculous and exaggerated all the little quirks.
Sorry for the longish post, couldn't really find anyone to discuss wot with
Did you think that sanderson did a very poor job of finishing the books? I read them all in one go and the drop in quality is noticeable. Only really enjoyed mat's chapters near the end and he has an annoying tendency of using the characters name over and over again instead of pronouns. It just felt like the series grew too big for him and he added more characters so none of them were really fleshed out! There was a chapter where he wrote "the creature known as pedren fain" once every sentence which was ridiculous and exaggerated all the little quirks.
Sorry for the longish post, couldn't really find anyone to discuss wot with
Uh oh, RS has started reading the books. He better watch he doesn't spoil something that's already happened but someone didn't notice.
Not really. The quality had already decreased and Sanderson saved the series. Towers of Midnight was frustrating, but the other two were grand with A Gathering Storm being my second favorite book in the saga.thanks, I was expecting the second one but not the former since it was stated that he had build a huge army and given his personality wouldn't be subservient to anyone else like that forsaken whose name started with m.
Did you think that sanderson did a very poor job of finishing the books? I read them all in one go and the drop in quality is noticeable. Only really enjoyed mat's chapters near the end and he has an annoying tendency of using the characters name over and over again instead of pronouns. It just felt like the series grew too big for him and he added more characters so none of them were really fleshed out! There was a chapter where he wrote "the creature known as pedren fain" once every sentence which was ridiculous and exaggerated all the little quirks.
Sorry for the longish post, couldn't really find anyone to discuss wot with
If you want to discuss WoT, I would suggest to go and read fantasy reading thread here in Caf. There are hundreds of post there for WoT, and short reviews for each book from me and akash.
yea
We can, of course. The only thing we can't discuss is about the leaked episodes.
In fact if you look at previus pages, there have been many discussions about prince which was promised, Azar Ahai etc.
Personally, I think that Snow is AA, while Daenerys is the prince which was promised. Or, prophecies are bullshit.
We're caught up to the leaked episodes now anyway @Revan so anything goes in here, as always.
EDIT: Apart from potential future TV specific spoilers, like from trailers etc.
Feck me this is too complex these days.
EDIT: Apart from potential future TV specific spoilers, like from trailers etc.
Feck me this is too complex these days.
I thought that there were 5 leaked episodes.
That prophecy nonsense is the biggest signal of the story's rapid downfall. It went from a smart, complex, semi-realistic political drama set in a medieval-type world to a cliche fantasy about good vs evil. Well, it still hasn't made the transition but it's definitely going down that path.
It is a fantasy book after all. The magic was always going to happen. The entire story it is built in a world when the magic is coming back, and that was supposed to happen since the end of the first book.
Still, it is far lower on magic than pretty much any fantasy book there (bar those of Joe Abercrombie which is on style quite similar to Martin).
Saying that, I doubt that even in the end there will be good vs evil. We'll see, of course, but I think that all bets are off. As I posted a theory quite recently, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Rhllor is the Great Other, or they are 2 sides of the same God.
Not sure what you're talking about here.
Prophecies are there in the very first book.They are there in every book in fact so it's not something that's been introduced later on. The entire events of the Robert's Rebellion are on the back of a prophecy.
I hope he's dead.
No chance that he's dead. Too much investment in his story ark, which IMO together with Danny's are most important for the end game.
Nobody cared about the prophecies in the first book. They were mentioned here and there but there was a combination of very real motives behind every character's actions, being ambition, lust, greed, fear etc. The prophecies weren't introduced later on but they became a much bigger and more important part of the story, along with magic and numerous fantasy elements, in general. I just don't like that and think it came at the expense of the series' stronger suits.
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Have they though?
I can only think of two PoV characters who's actions are somewhat guided by prophecies and that's Cersie and Melisandre. All the other characters are blissfully unaware of any prophecies including Dany and Jon.
They have, in the eyes of the reader. Sure, most of the characters are unaware of it but it's been mentioned ever more increasingly and it's been hinted that it would be the key element to unfold the story at the end. I don't like that. And I'm not talking only about the prophecy but the rise of magic and fantasy elements in general and their growing influence over the story.
Sure, my point was that the motive for most characters are the same as it was at the start of the book and very little of it has to do with prophecies. They are still guided by the basic human emotions.
As for magic, you can't say you were forewarned! The first chapter in the series features a dead guy killing another guy.
shadow snatch baby, wights, Dragons, and White Walkers were all involved from very early on. I think this stretches the boundaries of being "semi-realistic" from the beginning.
Prophecies make things interesting in my opinion. Cersei is scared of her prophecy which seems to be coming true, despite her prior knowledge and therefore ample opportunity to change it. Melisandre is getting readers to speculate on whether she's backed the wrong horse and/or which visions are/aren't true or relevant.
Also, in regards to good vs evil. I think the books definitely have a good dose of complex characters flitting between the two. Jamie Lannister being a prime example, and even some of the seemingly evil decisions have quite interesting motives when you think about it.
So has the fifth season gone and fecked everything up? Haven't watched any of it yet but I'm not hearing good reports so far..
I think it's been a good season, especially since I found the current bits the least enjoyable of the books. If you're a book fanatic then you'll probably not like some of the changes and a few character omissions.
Geez, @Scarecrow, you're complaining that there is magic in a fantasy book. Usually, people complain otherwise, that there isn't enough magic there.
I guess you'll complain why there is FTL travelling in sci-fi books.
I guess you'll complain why there is FTL travelling in sci-fi books.
Cersei's prophecy isn't even the first prophecy in the books.
As far as magic goes, books been full of it just not as in your face about it. The setting is a world where science/learning is pushing magic into the background but magic isn't quite ready to disappear and still is a major force even if many in that world refuse to see it.
As far as magic goes, books been full of it just not as in your face about it. The setting is a world where science/learning is pushing magic into the background but magic isn't quite ready to disappear and still is a major force even if many in that world refuse to see it.
Agree. It probably is wrong to even call that the book is low in magic. It is more that the magic is on background rather than the protagonists being powerful sorcerers like in most fantasy books.
I'm with Scarecrow. Martin is given a lot of credit for subverting common fantasy tropes, so it's disappointing to me that he seems to playing it straight with the AA stuff. Hopefully it ends up being nothing, no story is better with a Chosen One, for me.
I have no problem with magic in fantasy books in general. I just don't like it in these particular series. Most of it just doesn't fit in here, in my opinion. And having "a chosen one" to save the world is just a lazy, banal concept.
I am aware that there were fantasy elements from the beginning, however, they were nowhere near the center of the story and just made appearances here and there to bring something a bit different and exciting to the story. There were exceptions, of course, and I never liked those from the very beginning. Renly's death for example was just absolutely idiotic for me. All the zombies, as well.
I can't see any way to end this story respectfully.
That was better, I thought. Valyria looked amazing. So the question is, why is it important that someone has greyscale?
The fantasy elements of the story have always been the heart of the story. The War of Five Kings is important but it's nothing relative to the coming struggle against the Others. It's why the Prologue to Game of Thrones included the Others. The point is that everything else is going on while everyone is ignoring the existential threat that the Others present.
If you don't want to read a fantasy story, don't read the most successful fantasy series of the past decade.
It's like leprosy. The stigma attached to it is huge and it nearly always kills. Plus, it's highly contagious and becomes debilitating. The infected are normally sent to colonies (like on the Rhoyne in the books, rather than Valyria). Jorah gets to be Jon Connington and will have to hide his affliction from everyone as it progresses.
I know, but if they've cut Jon Connington and not the greyscale plotline, it surely has to have some importance later on? Would be an odd thing to devote time to if it's not a means to an end.
True, but we don't know the importance of it related to Connington yet either. I imagine with him it's that he's dying and will make Aegon's task more difficult (given that he's Aegon's credibility) or potentially afflicts someone else that would affect the story (Doran?).
That little fecker is gonna be the one to stab Jon, isn't he?
Out of interest when the TV series overtakes the books will people be able to post about the TV series in here due to spoilers? - sorry if its been discussed before (I checked the last couple of pages and didnt see anything definitive )but I believe there was a call for a lot of extras during the filming of the last series which suggests that perhaps the battles promised at the start of the next book might take place at the end of this series?
Even if it does not happen in this series it seems inevitable the TV show will pretty quickly overtake the books by next series at the latest
Even if it does not happen in this series it seems inevitable the TV show will pretty quickly overtake the books by next series at the latest
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