Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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Roose to die and Ramsay to unleash holy skinless hell on the North hopefully.
They better not having fecking Brienne kill Mannis.
D'oh, right.
Imagine.Some other ones:
Jojen confirmed dead in the show.
Two of Robert's bastards have been merged into one (Gendry).
Varys left KingsLanding in the show, as opposed to staying hidden in the books.
Arienne the hot doesn't exist in the show.
Her brother doesn't exist too (there were three Martell princes/princesses while in the show it is only the youngest one).
But of course the bigges ones are the removal of Aegon and Victarion/Euron. Which incidentally, are the best stories on those two books.
Brienne is the chosen one. She'll kill Stannis, Jon Snow (cause Catelyn disliked him), Tyrion (cause he killed Jaime's father) and Daenerys (just because Brienne is far bigger than her).
I was kind of hoping that there'd be a link to the dragon controlling horn found in Valaryia in that episode.
Also thought the whole area would've been a whole lot more dark and dangerous than some ruins, lots of plants and a few stone men.
Also thought the whole area would've been a whole lot more dark and dangerous than some ruins, lots of plants and a few stone men.
I was expecting something more akin to Mordor than the Manchester canal.
Does anyone know if the battle at WF will happen this season? I'm guessing they don't have enough time for it but it will be the first major spoiler if it does happen.
Not sure I want to watch it
Not sure I want to watch it
Does anyone know if the battle at WF will happen this season? I'm guessing they don't have enough time for it but it will be the first major spoiler if it does happen.
Not sure I want to watch it
Do not open if you don't want to be spoiled.
Potential spoiler ahead
It won't happen in the penultimate episode (cause it is called The Dance of Dragons, so expect on it Drogon killing people in the arena before Daenerys goes with him. The title of the 10th episode hasn't been released yet, but on the season finale things are a bit more smooth, and that is likely the episode when Jon Snow dies.
So, I guess no. Battle at Winterfell likely will happen next season.
So, I guess no. Battle at Winterfell likely will happen next season.
I definitely think it will. They don't have a lot of options for climactic moments this season, and they can't afford to pull a GRRM and just not really bother having any.
I reckon Tyrion will make it to her before the season is out, and we'll see Ser Jorah in the fighting pits for sure. Maybe that's how they'll kill him, a better way to go out then the greyscale I guess.
From what I know,
The main battle of this season will be at hardhome
That's making me think the Winterfell battle will not be this season...hopefully. I'm guessing battle at Meereen will not be in the show at all.
Yep. No battle at Mereen IMO considering that Victarion isn't on the show and Ser Barristan is dead. Although who knows, it may be that Jorah will get his part and lead the battle and have an honorable death.
Thanks, and also to @Scarecrow and @Revan
Most of the changes don't annoy me too much, aside from the Tyrion/Aegon bit which I quite liked in the books. I assume the author gave the go-ahead on these changes and made sure none of them would affect the adaption of the final book too severely?
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The author no longer plays a part in the show or at least hasn't done anything this season. The show runners have used their own discretion.
It did make it look like a little scenic tour down a canal didn't it. Thought it would all be much more desolate, smoking ruins, black soil, like mordor as you say. Bit let down considering how it's played down to be in the books
Aye. I can forgive it because of Tyrion's 'kid at Christmas' face seeing Drogon though.
It did make it look like a little scenic tour down a canal didn't it. Thought it would all be much more desolate, smoking ruins, black soil, like mordor as you say. Bit let down considering how it's played down to be in the books
I'm sure they've had plenty of discussions though. For example - I don't think they would have killed off Mance if George told them he was going to play a huge role in his final books.
I think he pretty much gave them the entire information on how things will end a few years ago. Of course, even GRRM doesn't know the exact details, but I guess that the big picture is known both for him and for the show producers.
From what he's said in interviews, he's basically had next to no role this season. Usually, he looks over the sets, the script, offers his suggestions and then writes an episode. He's done none of that this season. He's given them his plans and they are choosing to do as they please based on what they have.
And he's already said characters not in the show/dead will have further impact in the books (Specifically sighted Jeyne as an example). Couple of weeks back, he said there was a huge potential twist which could not happen in the show due to the direction they had taken.
The show writers know how it all ends and I can't imagine they will look to change that. They'll likely take loads of shortcuts to reach there however.
I completely forgot about the Tyrion being captured by slavers thing, how far did that story get up to in the books? Didn't he find a lil dwarf ladyfriend too?
I think having no Aegon either proves that theory that he is a fake or he'll end up appearing as a cliffhanger this season.
Would be a kick in the teeth. I know I'm in the minority but I still think we'll Lady Stoneheart soon. What would the point in having Brienne around if it didn't lead to something. The show won't have her kill Stannis. As others have pointed out, isn't many wft moments in the 4th and 5th books so having LS as a cliffhanger would work. My opinion it'll be the Boltons that end up killing Stannis. The show is building him up as a good guy type of character now which means only one thing.
This is a big spoiler paparazzi picture take on set at the fighting pits, don't look it if you don't want to be spoiled.
So Tyrion makes it, just depends when.
I'd guess by episode 8 or so. 10 will probably be the fighting pits and Dany to fly away.I think having no Aegon either proves that theory that he is a fake or he'll end up appearing as a cliffhanger this season.
Would be a kick in the teeth. I know I'm in the minority but I still think we'll Lady Stoneheart soon. What would the point in having Brienne around if it didn't lead to something. The show won't have her kill Stannis. As others have pointed out, isn't many wft moments in the 4th and 5th books so having LS as a cliffhanger would work. My opinion it'll be the Boltons that end up killing Stannis. The show is building him up as a good guy type of character now which means only one thing.
This is a big spoiler paparazzi picture take on set at the fighting pits, don't look it if you don't want to be spoiled.
So Tyrion makes it, just depends when.
Just saw this gif of Red Wedding reactions. Nailed it and really, works for many parts of the show:
I think having no Aegon either proves that theory that he is a fake or he'll end up appearing as a cliffhanger this season.
Would be a kick in the teeth. I know I'm in the minority but I still think we'll Lady Stoneheart soon. What would the point in having Brienne around if it didn't lead to something. The show won't have her kill Stannis. As others have pointed out, isn't many wft moments in the 4th and 5th books so having LS as a cliffhanger would work. My opinion it'll be the Boltons that end up killing Stannis. The show is building him up as a good guy type of character now which means only one thing.
This is a big spoiler paparazzi picture take on set at the fighting pits, don't look it if you don't want to be spoiled.
So Tyrion makes it, just depends when.
Would make sense tbh. He would be the advisor that she lost and is losing in ser barristan and Jorah.
I live near the North coast in NI, and I heard rumours that they saw Catelyn stark/Stoneheart filming last summer. So, You may be right.
I hope it's true because that's pretty much the only way Brienne's story will have a fecking point
From the show thread
Either I have read way too much about the world of GoT or the regular watchers are complete noobs. At least know what every motto says.
Either I have read way too much about the world of GoT or the regular watchers are complete noobs. At least know what every motto says.
To be fair I can't recall the Martell motto being said in the show.
Clearly we'll be seeing more Dorne anyway. With Jamie/Bronn and Doran it should be massively entertaining, feck the Sand Snakes.
If Areo Hotah had died, I would have rage quit this show. It was disappointing that he didn't get to cut someone in half though.
That Sansa scene...
Sophie Turner talked about her favorite scene to act was the one that would be the most difficult to watch so I expected it, but still. Not pleasant.
That Sansa scene...
Sophie Turner talked about her favorite scene to act was the one that would be the most difficult to watch so I expected it, but still. Not pleasant.
Guess the Sansa scene was hard to avoid seeing as they've basically given her the Jeyne plotline and they did actually tone it down compared to what happens in the book. Obviously the fact that this is happening to Sansa rather than Jeyne will generate a different reaction from book readers....
From a strictly TV show point of view: how you judge it as a plot choice should probably depend on where they go from here. If they meant for Sansa to think she was gaining a level of control when really she was still being manipulated then it's a rather harsh but consistent way of hammering home that in this world she is really still a commodity.
If they actually mean for her character to have increased agency then it becomes a stupid detour that conflicts with her overall arc, in the same way that accidentally making Jaime a rapist conflicted with his redemption arc. The whole "rape as motivation for female character" thing is usually extremely lazy writing too, though there are mitigating factors in this particular case. Still though, they either have to follow through with that cliche or go back to Sansa as a perma-victim. Not good.
Guess this will generate controversy though as it is yet more violence against women for the entertainment of viewers.
From a strictly TV show point of view: how you judge it as a plot choice should probably depend on where they go from here. If they meant for Sansa to think she was gaining a level of control when really she was still being manipulated then it's a rather harsh but consistent way of hammering home that in this world she is really still a commodity.
If they actually mean for her character to have increased agency then it becomes a stupid detour that conflicts with her overall arc, in the same way that accidentally making Jaime a rapist conflicted with his redemption arc. The whole "rape as motivation for female character" thing is usually extremely lazy writing too, though there are mitigating factors in this particular case. Still though, they either have to follow through with that cliche or go back to Sansa as a perma-victim. Not good.
Guess this will generate controversy though as it is yet more violence against women for the entertainment of viewers.
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"Was it rape?"
It was nowhere near as brutal as I expected. Well - you really can't show things more brutal than that on TV, to be fair.
The episode overall was a bit so-so, I guess no Stannis can do that to an episode. The first 15 minutes had about 80 percent of that on Arya, whose storyline has been going in circles all season. The way they tied in that awful Dorne birthmark thing was hilarious.
Areo looks real badass and Bronn had a few excellent quips, I expect both to be dead next episode.
The episode overall was a bit so-so, I guess no Stannis can do that to an episode. The first 15 minutes had about 80 percent of that on Arya, whose storyline has been going in circles all season. The way they tied in that awful Dorne birthmark thing was hilarious.
Areo looks real badass and Bronn had a few excellent quips, I expect both to be dead next episode.
Sand Snakes are a joke.
Weakest season so far, which was to be expected I guess.
A lot of them moaning about the Sand Snakes scene, which was obviously crap, but the Tyrion one was as well. Not the whole scene but he got himself out of getting killed by savages for an absolute bullshit reason.
Yeah, but everybody loves Tyrion, while the whole Dorne arc has been pretty terrible so far and deserves all the criticism it could get.
Everybody seems to speak the Common Tongue this season. From Braavos through Volantis to the Slaver's Bay.