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Scarecrow said:
Everybody seems to speak the Common Tongue this season. From Braavos through Volantis to the Slaver's Bay.
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There does seem to be less of foreign language with subtitles this season.

I like that, Danaerys is better when talking in Valyrian.

Oh and Bronn. :lol::lol::lol: Easily the best character remaining from entertainment point of view.
"Oh for feck's sake" had me in stitches.
 
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Scarecrow said:
Everybody seems to speak the Common Tongue this season. From Braavos through Volantis to the Slaver's Bay.
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First thing that struck me in that cock merchant scene, it's weird that those slavers spoke the Common Tongue, and it's not like Tyrion and Jorah don't know any other languages themselves so...
 
Prediction:

Sansa and Theon escape with help from Brienne + Pod. The four of them meet up with Stannis who keeps Theon and sends Sansa to Castle Black with Brienne and Pod as her escorts.

She arrives just in time to see the mutiny at Castle Black and Jon getting stabbed to mirror Arya at the Red Wedding
 
That hall of faces looked great. I liked the music in that scene too. There endeth the nice things I have to say about this episode.
 
The Sand snakes are genuinely terrible. The entire plot is a clusterfeck and only Bronn keeps it from being completely unwatchable. Really can't get my head around their casting decisions. The only hope for the Dorne plot is if they have something big planned for Doran and I think they have. He's also the only one who can act which helps.

The Tyrion scene was a bit shit as well. Cock merchant? wtf? The one thing I did like though was Tyrion telling Jorah about meeting his father. It bugged me that Tyrion never mentioned that in the books despite spending ages with Jorah.

The KL scenes were good I thought as were the Arya scenes. Very nicely done especially with Arya.

Split on the Sansa scene. Given the way they had built her up so far and LF's master plan you'd have thought this would have been planned for. Another case of them merging book and show storylines and ending up something that doesn't quite make complete sense. Be interesting to see if they let this have any kind of effect on Sansa or just carry on as it is. On the flip side, Ramsay is a massive cnut so it probably still makes sense.

Good episode overall if you were to ignore the sand snakes. Not enough Stannis.

I like how they are pretending the Iron Born and Riverlands do not exist anymore though...
 
Starting to think the show runners knew Sand snakes wasn't going well after seeing the scenes. 2 scenes in 6 episodes and all have been very quick.
 
Imagine deciding that including the Sand Snakes and completely ignoring Victarion/Euron was a good idea.
 
JSArsenal said:
Prediction:

Sansa and Theon escape with help from Brienne + Pod. The four of them meet up with Stannis who keeps Theon and sends Sansa to Castle Black with Brienne and Pod as her escorts.

She arrives just in time to see the mutiny at Castle Black and Jon getting stabbed to mirror Arya at the Red Wedding
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Be interesting to see Brienne come across Stannis and how the coin will land there.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Be interesting to see Brienne come across Stannis and how the coin will land there.
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My guess: she replaces Mance as the person who forces Theon into action and then gets captured in the same way Mance (apparently) has in the book. She then gets saved by Stannis' attack on Winterfell, putting her right in the middle of everything that goes down. She ends up not killing Stannis as to do so would put Sansa in more danger when saving her is her first priority.
 
sullydnl said:
My guess: she replaces Mance as the person who forces Theon into action and then gets captured in the same way Mance (apparently) has in the book. She then gets saved by Stannis' attack on Winterfell, putting her right in the middle of everything that goes down. She ends up not killing Stannis as to do so would put Sansa in more danger when saving her is her first priority.
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Seems like a decent possibility tbh.
 
sullydnl said:
My guess: she replaces Mance as the person who forces Theon into action and then gets captured in the same way Mance (apparently) has in the book. She then gets saved by Stannis' attack on Winterfell, putting her right in the middle of everything that goes down. She ends up not killing Stannis as to do so would put Sansa in more danger when saving her is her first priority.
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I think she'll end up playing the part Asha does in the books. She'll end up helping them when Theon has escaped with Sansa and then they all get caught by Stannis. Interesting to see where Rickon figures in all this if the Umbers/Manderley's are a part of this. If he figures at all.
 
akash02 said:
I think she'll end up playing the part Asha does in the books. She'll end up helping them when Theon has escaped with Sansa and then they all get caught by Stannis. Interesting to see where Rickon figures in all this if the Umbers/Manderley's are a part of this. If he figures at all.
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I'd totally forgotten about Asha. Where's she at?
 
sullydnl said:
I'd totally forgotten about Asha. Where's she at?
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The last we saw of her was that god awful scene where Ramsay is having sex and then fighting bare chest. Unless you mean the books, in which case she's with Stannis.
 
akash02 said:
I think she'll end up playing the part Asha does in the books. She'll end up helping them when Theon has escaped with Sansa and then they all get caught by Stannis. Interesting to see where Rickon figures in all this if the Umbers/Manderley's are a part of this. If he figures at all.
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They've basically replaced the whole North Remembers thing with some random maid instead.
 
Solius said:
They've basically replaced the whole North Remembers thing with some random maid instead.
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:lol:
Hopefully they'll use her some sort of Chekhov's Gun to actually introduce a Northern family like the Manderley's later on to show that there is still some hope in the North, as opposed to an unnamed guerrilla task force to save Sansa.
 
Solius said:
They've basically replaced the whole North Remembers thing with some random maid instead.
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Necessary for the show I guess.

Manderley was great though. The whole 'North Remembers' thing doesn't feel very epic without him does it?
 
I'm starting to feel a bit done with the show.
 
Everybody seems to be really impressed with Ramsey in the TV Show. I never paid much attention to his character in the books, to be honest. Always seemed very cartoonish and one dimensional to me.
 
Scarecrow said:
Everybody seems to be really impressed with Ramsey in the TV Show. I never paid much attention to his character in the books, to be honest. Always seemed very cartoonish and one dimensional to me.
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I kinda agree. I never really took to him, was too much of a villain for my liking. Roose was always the better character.


I think the rape scene was very unnecessary. A bit like the Margeary Tommen-scene. Two pointless and uncomfortable scenes solely there for shock purposes. Poor writing imo.
 
Solius said:
Imagine deciding that including the Sand Snakes and completely ignoring Victarion/Euron was a good idea.
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I think there is a reason for the later part. If rumors are true, you can't hide Euron's identity any other way than to not show him. Plus the entire Iron Island stuff has been pretty much ignored through the series, and I think that if Theon ever does get back, that is when we might see some stuff there in the show.
 
Hopefully the Sand Snakes get locked up now, as they should've been at the beginning, and we won't have to go through the pain that is their scenes anymore. What happens to Myrcella, if that's the case, though? There would be nobody left to kidnap her, which was sort of the culmination of the Dorne storyline in the books. An escape attempt with Trystane perhaps?
 
Also, Bronn is going to die from poison next episode because one of the Sand Snakes nicked him on the arm.
 
Can anyone confirm whether tonight's GoT has a rape scene with Sansa in it? To be honest if so that might be it for me with the TV series - consistently ruining the female narratives in the books, either by almost entirely omitting them (Asha Greyjoy and her struggle to be Queen of the Iron Islands) or adding horrible rape scenes for shock value. Sansa especially had a really great storyline in the books having finally gotten out of the capital, but apparently her getting abused is better for TV.
 
Sir Matt said:
Also, Bronn is going to die from poison next episode because one of the Sand Snakes nicked him on the arm.
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Probably, or a duel with Hotah in some last huzzah for Jaime to get out of Dorne. I quite like him in the show, his singing wasn't half bad either.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Can anyone confirm whether tonight's GoT has a rape scene with Sansa in it? To be honest if so that might be it for me with the TV series - consistently ruining the female narratives in the books, either by almost entirely omitting them (Asha Greyjoy and her struggle to be Queen of the Iron Islands) or adding horrible rape scenes for shock value. Sansa especially had a really great storyline in the books having finally gotten out of the capital, but apparently her getting abused is better for TV.
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Basically yes
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Can anyone confirm whether tonight's GoT has a rape scene with Sansa in it? To be honest if so that might be it for me with the TV series - consistently ruining the female narratives in the books, either by almost entirely omitting them (Asha Greyjoy and her struggle to be Queen of the Iron Islands) or adding horrible rape scenes for shock value. Sansa especially had a really great storyline in the books having finally gotten out of the capital, but apparently her getting abused is better for TV.
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It's a disturbing scene alright.

You can also add the omission of Arianne to that list in favour of those ninjas.
 
Really poor season so far, dont think you can lay that much blame at the door of the source material.
They've cut out the few interesting plot lines from the book which were badly needed with the more regular characters storylines being pretty static.
Dont get why they changed the dorne storyline. Could they not have fitted the regular, drastically better storyline in instead?

Wonder if sam will go to the citadel, looking forward to reading about that in the next book.
Can easily see that getting cut too, not enough naked women / fights / rape for them
 
caid said:
Really poor season so far, dont think you can lay that much blame at the door of the source material.
They've cut out the few interesting plot lines from the book which were badly needed with the more regular characters storylines being pretty static.
Dont get why they changed the dorne storyline. Could they not have fitted the regular, drastically better storyline in instead?

Wonder if sam will go to the citadel, looking forward to reading about that in the next book.
Can easily see that getting cut too, not enough naked women / fights / rape for them
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Think he probably will, they wouldn't have brought it up in episode 5 otherwise.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Can anyone confirm whether tonight's GoT has a rape scene with Sansa in it? To be honest if so that might be it for me with the TV series - consistently ruining the female narratives in the books, either by almost entirely omitting them (Asha Greyjoy and her struggle to be Queen of the Iron Islands) or adding horrible rape scenes for shock value. Sansa especially had a really great storyline in the books having finally gotten out of the capital, but apparently her getting abused is better for TV.
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She's replaced fake Arya, who also happened to get abused and raped. I think it's a case of not having to add even more characters to an already crammed show, rather than deliberately ruining female narratives.

Victarion and Euron Greyjoy's storylines got cut out completely. At least Asha got a mention, albeit briefly!
 
The sand snake scene was truly awful.

I'm not sure there's any point in relating the show to the books anymore. They have pretty much nothing in common anymore.
 
Posts on here are bringing me down a bit but I came away from that thinking it was a brilliant episode. Sand Snakes excluded of course, but the more we see of Doran and Areo the better.

Arya carried it i think, good to see some progress there and the fact it is beyond the book story line probably makes it more interesting, it was also a very powerful scene to end on.

We also got to see Tyrion, Olenna, Bronn and no Dany in the same episode and that "The Dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant" line had me in hysterics.
 
Arya stuff is apparently dragging on too long. No wonder they've had to change the show so much from the books, the viewers are idiots.
 
Still think the Iron Islands storyline will appear in the next season. Euron is a type of character that would definitely fit the show. I thought the same of Arianne but he, at least, seems to have some purpose and importance in the books, unlike her.
 
I actually thought last week's episode was good, as in I thought what they changed made sense. This week was dreadful though, and that gif in the tv thread :lol:
 
Simbo said:
Posts on here are bringing me down a bit but I came away from that thinking it was a brilliant episode. Sand Snakes excluded of course, but the more we see of Doran and Areo the better.

Arya carried it i think, good to see some progress there and the fact it is beyond the book story line probably makes it more interesting, it was also a very powerful scene to end on.

We also got to see Tyrion, Olenna, Bronn and no Dany in the same episode and that "The Dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant" line had me in hysterics.
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Do you mean Sansa? Arya's storyline is definitely not beyond the book.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
She's replaced fake Arya, who also happened to get abused and raped. I think it's a case of not having to add even more characters to an already crammed show, rather than deliberately ruining female narratives
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Yep, the scene was almost inevitable once she replaced fake Arya. Creates a problem with her character arc though in that Jeyne is very much a victim who needs to be rescued whereas Sansa is supposed to be more in control now.

Weak episode all round I thought.
 
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