Don't you think the very fact that we would be trying to sign Lloris or Cech might tell the selling club that De Gea is leaving?
De Gea Contract Situation
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Don't you think the very fact that we would be trying to sign Lloris or Cech might tell the selling club that De Gea is leaving?
Losing him will hit us hard, I don't know how can some people think otherwise. For a team that usually wins by one goal margin goalkeeper is vital.
We won't bring a goalkeeper in the same class, that's for sure (and he will probably cost us more than we get for DDG).
We won't bring a goalkeeper in the same class, that's for sure (and he will probably cost us more than we get for DDG).
You would've thought a goalkeeper would be better tested here in the EPL with the diffferent type of football being played i.e. the long ball etc.
If we get Bale as part of the deal we will be fine, if we don't I will be gutted.
I think part of the logic about suffering without him depends on what our defence will be like.
At times this season it's been an unorganised mess. You'd hope that we'd either sign someone to play there or it will improve dramatically somehow, if that does happen then there is less reliance on a goalkeeper (de Gea or otherwise) and therefore it won't matter if we don't have a keeper to such a high standard.
This is not to take anything away from de Gea he's been very good all season but I'd like to think next season regardless of who is in net we're not so reliant on them. Look at Courtouis at Chelsea....he's made some top saves this season but not many are from defenders errors unlike de Gea who is usually making up for someones mistake.
I'm almost certain he's leaving after LVG's comments yesterday. The only question is how much for. I hope we bleed them dry...i'd rather we run his contract down for the remaining years then give him on the cheap.
There will always be replacements. Petr Cech anyone? Solid and commanding. Premier league experience and plenty years still left in him (32)
There will always be replacements. Petr Cech anyone? Solid and commanding. Premier league experience and plenty years still left in him (32)
He can feck off. We survived Ronaldo leaving and we'll survive Dave leaving.
I just hope he knows that one mistake, and the Madrid fans will be on his back immediately, and the Atletico fans will enjoy every bit of it.
I just hope he knows that one mistake, and the Madrid fans will be on his back immediately, and the Atletico fans will enjoy every bit of it.
dont want to lose him and i'd still put my money on him staying at this moment
however, if he did go and we got bale + cech in we would be a better team imho
however, if he did go and we got bale + cech in we would be a better team imho
I'd only take Cech if he takes off that stupid crash helmet he wears...
Surely to fuck his head is better now...
It's weird that more seem pissed about the fee than actually losing De Gea. The fee is meaningless to the supporters. Perhaps if we were a Villa or a Newcastle who had to sell to spend, then we'd have a reason to be concerned. The club's summer budgeting isn't reliant on getting a good deal for De Gea, and the manager will have £100-150m - if not more - readily available to invest. Whether we let him go for free next summer, or we get £50m for him in the next few weeks, the end result is still the same. De Gea leaves and he simply cannot be replaced with a player of equal ability, because the two that currently match him are utterly unattainable.
The fans aren't getting a cut of the fee, nor is Woody going to send a letter to all the ST holders saying "We got boned on the De Gea deal. Your renewal is going to be double. Soz" so why the fuss about it? No amount of money can cushion it, because there's nobody as good, or better than him, that we can get.
The fans aren't getting a cut of the fee, nor is Woody going to send a letter to all the ST holders saying "We got boned on the De Gea deal. Your renewal is going to be double. Soz" so why the fuss about it? No amount of money can cushion it, because there's nobody as good, or better than him, that we can get.
I saw nothing from yesterday which gives any indication whether he is leaving or staying. I would have expected a lot of waving of good byes (even Falcao did it ffs although he was a loaned player) and maybe some words of gratitude/appreciation for our crowd. In fact, when he was walking towards the tunnel it felt like just another day for him. No emotions at all. All that makes me think he has either not decided yet or has decided to stay.
Petr Cech would easily be my number one choice. In fact I think I might even be happier with him. I think he has far greater command over his defenders and his box than DDG
We can replace him adequately. People are overrating a goalkeepers influence now. It's hardly like we're losing Ronaldo.
The little fecker better sign that contract, we made him into one of the top goalkeepers in the world after how shit he started off here. feck Spain and Madrid, Utd is where it's at, show us some respect and sort your shit out. fecking hate the way footballers have no loyalty anymore.
So are we already at that stage where we can claim that Petr Cech (or any other keeper we could get) would make us better?
Cech has been a brilliant keeper over the years?
I think he had a part to play in that.
Ive never been a huge DDG fanboy. An amazing shot stopper but I have often expressed concerns over his presence in the box and with his defenders. Cech for me could turn out as good a signing as VDS
It's actually quite hard to replace keepers of De Gea's quality. It took us about 6 years to find Schmeichel's replacement, and our defensive organisation as a whole looked suspect for the better part of those 6 years. It's as much about stability and trust as it about replacing the individual, defenders are calm when they know they are being backed by one the absolute best. Take Buffon out of Italy's teams in the 2000s or Neuer out of the German national team; and insert Toldo or ter-Stegen, and the difference in quality/ composure of the defense is evident from the get go. It's not just about overrating a goalkeeper's influence. It's about allocating due credit to the game-breaking saves De Gea made both this and the last season; and about replacing someone who is already showing signs of becoming the next Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Kahn type of goalkeeper.
Our defensive stability isn't great with De Gea either is it? He and our defenders still don't have that brilliant understanding and command as a unit that we need.
He's a great shot stopper and has been absolutely vital to us of late, but I think people are going way overboard. Barcelona don't have a big name keeper in their side and have a stunning defensive record this season. Arsenal don't either. Atletico replaced De Gea very well. Barcelona were the best side many people have seen with Valdes in goal who seemingly noone rates. Spain did great with Casillas in goal who again seemingly noone rates.
Obviously we can't replace him with Time Howard. But I'm sure if Barcelona and other teams can find good solid keepers who aren't hyped up as the next Kahn or Schmeeichel, we can too.
And just to add, Cech has been a top top keeper for a long time. De Gea would do well to perform for Madrid or whoever like he has. So I don't see why he'd be this huge step down unless he has a dip or something of course.
I tend to avoid posting in the (dedicated) United section of the forum, but the DDG situation is interesting, and I thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
For United, as a football club, this just makes way too much sense to ignore. The financial implications for a club of such size aren't really worth mentioning, which makes it illogical to accept anything other than a big offer from Real Madrid. You've also got enough to worry about this summer with your outfield players, never mind the one position which is, on paper, 100% sorted right now with VV as backup.
For United, as a business, I'm still finding myself in agreement with those who think he should stay. No, you're not going to get the £20m transfer fee plus wages spent throughout the year back in shirt sales and merchandise, but it draws a line in the sand with the Spanish duo & announces to players coming in that it's about the club before all else.
For what it's worth (nothing), my opinion? Tell DDG he's not going unless a respectful offer comes in... Because £15-20m for one of the best players in Europe this season, with more than a decade ahead of them, regardless of contractual situation, is just disrespectful drivel that should be ignored.
The Liverpool fan hits the nail on the head. They make it worth our while or feck off and we'll keep him for another season. They can put up with Casillas and Navas for another year.
Cech is a fine goalkeeper, but Van Gaal may feel that someone a little more agile and with better distribution might be more suitable for sweeping up behind the defence and playing out from the back. I seem to remember that Cech (along with Terry) suffered quite badly when tasked with playing in AVB's system with its high defensive line.
I agree, but I don't think we will fix our problems in defence fast. CB and RB is a must.
Perfect scenario would be for him to sign the deal with release clause so that we can keep him for another year. Even if we get peanuts for him next year, I would rather keep him for one more season.
That's assuming he decides to stay for another year. If he doesn't want to be here then let him go, I don't want unhappy players at the club.
Have I ever said anything to the contrary? In fact, I have always maintained that we should definitely be after Cech if DDG does leave us. But I am not one of those who thinks he will make us stronger. He does not have DDG's ball distribution and I also feel he is not as good a shot stopper as DDG.
People definitely rate Casillas. Just not any more. At one point, he was one of the best goalkeepers in the world. The same can be said for Valdes, who could still be a great goalkeeper, but he's been out for so long, it's hard to judge.
Fair enough. I don't think Cech will be as good as VDS was for us mainly because I am not a big fan of his distribution skills.
He's more commanding though. I don't think our keeper being slightly weaker at shot stopping but more commanding would make that much of a difference. Personally I think getting a proper defensive leader is the bigger issue than repalcing De Gea. Unless we do another Tim Howard/Carroll.
I wouldn't go that far, but he certainly wouldn't make us markedly worse.
Would Mourinho sell us Cech?
Just saw a fan's recording at the game on FB. The whole crowd was singing "we want you to stay. David De Gea, we want you to stay". Why would any player want to leave that for a bunch of self entitled fans who would boo you if you had an average game.
So there aren't that few top keepers, right? You'd think that De Gea was in some sort of separate league along with Neuer reading people's comments.
Someone said on how tough this will be "we just lost Sir Alex.." FFS get a grip people.
Good post, but it is difficult to tell with him as he doesn't come across as the emotional type. As it stands i get the impression he is yet to decide on the move to Madrid but the longer it goes on it is fairly evident he will move on.
I tend to avoid posting in the (dedicated) United section of the forum, but the DDG situation is interesting, and I thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
For United, as a football club, this just makes way too much sense to ignore. The financial implications for a club of such size aren't really worth mentioning, which makes it illogical to accept anything other than a big offer from Real Madrid. You've also got enough to worry about this summer with your outfield players, never mind the one position which is, on paper, 100% sorted right now with VV as backup.
For United, as a business, I'm still finding myself in agreement with those who think he should stay. No, you're not going to get the £20m transfer fee plus wages spent throughout the year back in shirt sales and merchandise, but it draws a line in the sand with the Spanish duo & announces to players coming in that it's about the club before all else.
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Very sensible, mate. I completely agree.
Good taste in the NSFW thread too, is there anything you don't do?
I keep hearing this. But DDG has improved massively in this area and from whatever I have seen of Cech previous season, he is prone to a lot of gaffes himself. Honestly, if we had a Rio-Vidic in their prime as our backbone, I would not be too concerned with any other good GK as a replacement for DDG. But as it stands, we need him more now as we don't have anyone of that quality in our backline and I cannot see anyone out there who is as good as those two were in their prime.
You are right and I do feel Cech would be the best available replacement for DDG. But a definite downgrade on our current GK who will improve further and perhaps will soon become the best GK in the world.
How many teams have a Vidic or Rio at the back? And how do they cope without De Gea?
That's why it's just as important to actually improve the defense so we don't need to be bailed out all the time.
It wont be easy to replace him but like I said, if we can improve our defence, it's not like finding another Ronaldo IMO.
Fair points and I agree that a good back four would help us massively. As things stand, that is not the case and we need a top GK.
It would be much worse if not for the presence of David. The defensive cohesion hasn't been optimized yet, but it is also of a symbiotic nature and David can only do so much - because a high proportion for the disarray is due purely to the central defenders we have at our disposal who are still prone to mental lapses/ error in judgement and oftentimes struggle for match rhythm/ sharpness. De Gea to his credit makes up for a lot of those faults - and some of the central defensive errors wouldn't be compensated for by a lesser goalkeeper. eg. One could make an argument that if it weren't for De Gea's reflexes, we could'e conceded off Jones' back pass yesterday.
Honestly, I don't quite understand why people put forth extreme examples to prove a point. Barcelona is on an completely different end of the spectrum. The potency of their attack and midfield ensures than the opposition is always on their toes - this added to the fact that they have added a counterattacking element to the team which makes opposition teams wary while committing men forward, Pique has been arguably one of the Top 3 defenders in European football this season, they have one of the best screening midfielders of modern football. Their defensive record as it were, is an amalgamation of high quality in multiple positions and cannot be equated with the circumstances at United.
Here's the thing though - Barcelona would never have allowed a keeper like De Gea to leave in the first place, thus negating the need to find a suitable replacement. For all the talk of keepers being low priority, top clubs do their utmost to hold onto one of the highest standard, and rarely if ever will you see a top top goalkeeper moving clubs. There is an adequate sample size to support that statement when you look at the likes of Kahn, Casillas, Buffon, Schmeichel, Canizares who all stayed at one club through their prime years. The very best clubs put more emphasis on world-class keepers than is appreciated by the masses.
Valdes is our answer.
I tend to avoid posting in the (dedicated) United section of the forum, but the DDG situation is interesting, and I thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
For United, as a football club, this just makes way too much sense to ignore. The financial implications for a club of such size aren't really worth mentioning, which makes it illogical to accept anything other than a big offer from Real Madrid. You've also got enough to worry about this summer with your outfield players, never mind the one position which is, on paper, 100% sorted right now with VV as backup.
For United, as a business, I'm still finding myself in agreement with those who think he should stay. No, you're not going to get the £20m transfer fee plus wages spent throughout the year back in shirt sales and merchandise, but it draws a line in the sand with the Spanish duo & announces to players coming in that it's about the club before all else.
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Yup, well said.
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