I overlooked that, I guess you're right. Still, not going to get my hopes up here.
De Gea Contract Situation
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DDG has grown as a keeper but you can see that as a person he is still very shy, the sense that I have got recently is that in his heart he wants the move because it makes sense for him for every reason but at the same time he realises that United have done a lot for him and pushing for a move would be a bit disrespectful. I think it's fantastic that United are dealing with this with class and not really forcing him to do anything, LVG comes across as a man for whom football isn't everything and who understands the dilemma DDG has
'Los Tres Amigos' were tres not doce.
Yes agreed the most likely scenario by far is that he leaves, but United should at least be able to ensure they get a reasonable fee in return (talk of 20m euros is obviously absurd and derisory).
Agree for the most part, but to be honest he wouldn't be feeling so uncomfortable if he'd just sign the contract with us and explained that he wanted to go to Madrid - the club wouldn't have stood in his way and both parties would have gotten what they wanted without too much fuss - the club gets a good fee and De Gea goes to crazy Madrid. At the end of the day, we're a business as well, and it doesn't look good that we let one of our prized assets go for a low fee. Also, we should not let Madrid bully us, it's not good. There are other considerations apart from De Gea's personal preferences.
If he was sat with 3 years left on his contract then he'd be worth £45-£50 million surely, Madrid must know this, so if we are asking £30 million then that imo is a fair price given the circumstances.
They can afford it United know that, Madrid also know United can afford to let him leave for free next year, it's just a matter of who caves in first.
They can afford it United know that, Madrid also know United can afford to let him leave for free next year, it's just a matter of who caves in first.
In 1 week the poll result changed a lot
1 yr on the bench can change his career, I would pay attention if I was him
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To be honest, if he is not their only option then I think United would quite happily say "Well feck off and get one of the other options then, and we will keep De Gea."
If I were United then I do think our best bet is simply to outright refuse to sell him this summer for anything less than a huge fee (£40m+). Real can either stump up, find someone else, or wait.
The drawbacks for them on the 'waiting' option are;
For me, Real (from their perspective) have a lot of incentives to try to get him this summer and not wait. They arent known as the patient sorts anyway, and Perez isnt the type to accept 'defeat' with transfers either. The spoilt Madrid fans may complain at the prospect of having to wait before they get their new toy, even if it makes good business sense. With this in mind, I hope that United play hardball and refuse to sell De Gea unless a really good offer comes in.
This has been my take on De Gea. He seems a fairly shy and introverted sort, but has learnt to be more of a leader on the pitch because it is required of him (he reminds me a lot of myself in this respect). He is probably a bit scared to come out and state that he wants to leave, and also like you said he recognises that he would be criticised for this due to what the club has done for him. He would rather stick his head in the sand and hope that his agent/United/Real can sort everything out and the whole situation resolves itself.
Of course, the sensible thing that he could do in this case, would be to sign a new deal with a release clause/agreement that he is going to end up going to Madrid, like we did with Ronaldo. LVG clearly seems the sort who would honour this sort of agreement, so it would be the best for all parties (except Real, oh no!).
To be honest, if he is not their only option then I think United would quite happily say "Well feck off and get one of the other options then, and we will keep De Gea."
If I were United then I do think our best bet is simply to outright refuse to sell him this summer for anything less than a huge fee (£40m+). Real can either stump up, find someone else, or wait.
The drawbacks for them on the 'waiting' option are;
- They could be subject to a transfer ban next year.
- They could do with a new keeper sooner rather than later.
- In the extra year, Dave may choose to sign a new deal with us (especially if Real do go out and buy another GK).
For me, Real (from their perspective) have a lot of incentives to try to get him this summer and not wait. They arent known as the patient sorts anyway, and Perez isnt the type to accept 'defeat' with transfers either. The spoilt Madrid fans may complain at the prospect of having to wait before they get their new toy, even if it makes good business sense. With this in mind, I hope that United play hardball and refuse to sell De Gea unless a really good offer comes in.
This has been my take on De Gea. He seems a fairly shy and introverted sort, but has learnt to be more of a leader on the pitch because it is required of him (he reminds me a lot of myself in this respect). He is probably a bit scared to come out and state that he wants to leave, and also like you said he recognises that he would be criticised for this due to what the club has done for him. He would rather stick his head in the sand and hope that his agent/United/Real can sort everything out and the whole situation resolves itself.
Of course, the sensible thing that he could do in this case, would be to sign a new deal with a release clause/agreement that he is going to end up going to Madrid, like we did with Ronaldo. LVG clearly seems the sort who would honour this sort of agreement, so it would be the best for all parties (except Real, oh no!).
So the information comes from la Cadena Cope who is reliable most of the time, apparently United clearly stated that De Gea wasn't for sale, Madrid thinks that it's a posture in order to raise the price but if it wasn't the case they would try to buy Leno for next year and try to sign De Gea for 2016.
Surely Leno is a long-term option? If it's just someone to fill in until they sign De Gea next summer then surely they would go for someone more experienced or stick with Casillas or Navas for the year?
Cough up £25m Real and get this done out of the way.
£20mill plus Casillas and i think that's win win
It's Madrid, it's a little bit different but they have Carvajal and bought Danilo for a lot of money.
feck that. At least £30mil.
Please don't make us face the possibility of signing fecking Cillesen, Dave...
In what way is acting like a plastic bag for Madrid's discarded dog turd a win win?
£25m really? Thank God the lot of you aren't the ones doing the negotiation. If De Gea leaves United this summer, it will be for top money, the notion that United are going to sell for cheap is funny. Yes, he has only 1 yr on his contract, but so what? That is simply not the only variable that determines the transfer price of a player. His quality, level in the game, financial power of seller and how much he is wanted by the potential buyer are also VERY important variables, why are we ignoring that? Call me nuts but I think If Madrid really want him, they'll have to go up to £40m minimum, this is not some second rate club they are dealing with.
And how is £20 plus Casillas win win? Can't believe what I read here at times, so, Madrid don't want Casillas because he's shit, yet, him moving to us [to earn silly wages] and a paltry £20m is good for us? 
Still think and hope De Gea is simply being smart. He knows this is a massive summer for him as well as United.
If De Gea signed now, and United went and bought nobody decent this summer he'd feel like a right arse for having faith in us and ending up stuck behind a team that cant defend again.
GO out and Get Hummels, a proven right back and a World Class Centre Mid and he could very well sign. Rooney did it with his City saga, came out and said the team needs strengthening or im off, somewhat stupidly he seemed to take them at their word of big transfers, signed and then found they were signing nobody again.
Perfectly right thing to do in my opinion. People are quick to criticise players for not being loyal to the club or showing respect etc etc. Well lets face it, the last 10 years pretty much weve shat all over the decent players weve had, year after year not addressing problems in the Midfield, not buying proven players, not having suitable replacements in place for people like Scholes, giggs, Vidic etc etc. Why would a player with options sign a new contract this early in the summer. Id be waiting too.
People also seem to assume our summer is already confirmed as big spending with world class players coming in. It most definitely isn't. The current choice De Gea has is between his home town and family, a world beating side (when they want to be), one of the better defences around with his own national icons like Ramos, plenty of cash, pretty much guaranteed national side first choice.... Or, a United side is rainy Manchester away from his family which has just finished 4th at a stretch, tactically has had to play defensive possession because of a very weak midfield and defence, has aging players on the way out with no replacements sorted, an average winger playing first choice right back among other abominations with the only upsides so far being a suggestion of tactical mastery to come and potential big names coming in.
Until some proper players get signed, I think its a minor miracle he hasn't already downed tools and gone back home. And that's why I still think were in with a good chance of keeping him, as things stand Real are far and away the better option, even with their shitty abusive fans.
If De Gea signed now, and United went and bought nobody decent this summer he'd feel like a right arse for having faith in us and ending up stuck behind a team that cant defend again.
GO out and Get Hummels, a proven right back and a World Class Centre Mid and he could very well sign. Rooney did it with his City saga, came out and said the team needs strengthening or im off, somewhat stupidly he seemed to take them at their word of big transfers, signed and then found they were signing nobody again.
Perfectly right thing to do in my opinion. People are quick to criticise players for not being loyal to the club or showing respect etc etc. Well lets face it, the last 10 years pretty much weve shat all over the decent players weve had, year after year not addressing problems in the Midfield, not buying proven players, not having suitable replacements in place for people like Scholes, giggs, Vidic etc etc. Why would a player with options sign a new contract this early in the summer. Id be waiting too.
People also seem to assume our summer is already confirmed as big spending with world class players coming in. It most definitely isn't. The current choice De Gea has is between his home town and family, a world beating side (when they want to be), one of the better defences around with his own national icons like Ramos, plenty of cash, pretty much guaranteed national side first choice.... Or, a United side is rainy Manchester away from his family which has just finished 4th at a stretch, tactically has had to play defensive possession because of a very weak midfield and defence, has aging players on the way out with no replacements sorted, an average winger playing first choice right back among other abominations with the only upsides so far being a suggestion of tactical mastery to come and potential big names coming in.
Until some proper players get signed, I think its a minor miracle he hasn't already downed tools and gone back home. And that's why I still think were in with a good chance of keeping him, as things stand Real are far and away the better option, even with their shitty abusive fans.
One of the better Spanish gossip columnists suggested a couple of weeks back that Madrid thought it would take 40m Euros (about £28m) to make United move. It may be that financially speaking the clubs are moving further apart.
I'm guessing that this time Partido de los 12 are using the version of the story that Madrid wants out there - a reminder to DdG and United that Madrid will buy a keeper this summer and they have other names on the shopping list.
I'm guessing that this time Partido de los 12 are using the version of the story that Madrid wants out there - a reminder to DdG and United that Madrid will buy a keeper this summer and they have other names on the shopping list.
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In what freaking universe is that a win win?
ha! Casillas is still a very good keeper, i mean people want Cech right? how is Cech who doesnt ever play right now a better option than Casillas? okay bit of a dodgy season by his standards and by extension Real's but we all know how unforgiving they are... they even boo Ronaldo is who like the best player in a generation! he's *only* 33 which is still young in goalkeeping terms, he still has alot to offer, Buffon was once considered past it a few years ago and now look at him.
Casillas isn't a very good player, he's a complete liability and has been for the past few years. God knows how badly he'd struggle in the premier league where his weaknesses would be targeted more than any other division in europe.
He's not been in good form for probably the best part of two years now, maybe even slightly longer so Real's form this year doesn't really count. If it wasn't for a few crucial saves in the CL against Dortmund last season he would have been absolutely chastised for his performances that year.
And he's always been a keeper that relies on reflexes and agility as opposed to positioning, and those skills have clearly deteriorated. Compare a simple plyometrics training with Keylor Navas, who is in the mould of Casillas as a shot-stopper. His agility is shockingly worse, he's even slower that Diego Lopez who is of similar age:
He's not a physically commanding keeper, he's not brilliant with the ball, he's not fast enough to really play any sort of sweeper keeper role and the skillset he had has vastly deteriorated.
Casillas was never a great keeper, always a liability and made horrible mistakes. He like a few other keepers got a very inflated reputation because he played in teams that protected him well. Real have been trying to shift him for ages now but Casillas is one of the very few players the fans there let get away with murder. Ronaldo misses a shot he gets boo'd, Casillas could purposely score an own goal and still be a fan favourite.
yes, that is why Rooney did the City saga and it was because of his "trust" in the club about buying shiny new toys that made him sign the contract. Nvm the fact he played us to a tune and signed a multi million pound contract on crazy high wages.Yes it was all about his concern for Manvhester United!
No way Casillas would agree to that. He'd prefer Los Angeles!...
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spot on. Just makes me realize even more how unlikely De Gea is to stay with us.
He was pretty much the only positive this season besides making it back in the top 4.
Bye bye, Dave..
spot on. Just makes me realize even more how unlikely De Gea is to stay with us.
He was pretty much the only positive this season besides making it back in the top 4.
Bye bye, Dave..
Yes. 2 wins for Real.
£25m or £20m and Casillas.... Jesus. Christ.
Why don't we throw in Herrera and Rooney if they agree to include a lock of Bale's hair? Oh, and we might as well add in a pre-agreement to sell them Depay for £10m next season while we're at it.
Why don't we throw in Herrera and Rooney if they agree to include a lock of Bale's hair? Oh, and we might as well add in a pre-agreement to sell them Depay for £10m next season while we're at it.
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Good post. Hope you're right.
The most important signing for us this summer is De Gea. He's irreplaceable atm. But if he is indeed sitting on the fence and can't decide (even with the huge salary on offer) the only way we'll convince him to stay is through quality signings.
True. A lot of people are simply assuming that he is going to leave. He would have definitely spoken up by now if he had his mind set. Buying world class players who can improve the team will definitely go a long way in convincing him to commit his future to us.
Yes it was all about his concern for Manvhester United!
Well at least you got his point. No need to laugh though?
I laughed because I cannot understand how people can believe that Rooney staged that whole drama because he wanted better players at the club. From whatever I read throughout the saga, it was all about the money.
I don't find it hard to believe he was disappointed with our signings at all. Part of the reason we need such a massive rebuild now. I'm sure the size of the contract on offer was what convinced him to stay but that doesn't mean that was the main reason he considered a move.
Well, I cannot say with a 100% conviction that money is what drove him. But him signing the contract so soon based on some promises made by SAF and Gill seems far fetched to me.
Nonetheless, this does not seem to be the case in DDG's situation. I hope at least he or the club come out and say something definitive. Seems to me like he is a goner and if that is the case, I would rather we conclude all our transfer activities, including getting a new GK, soon so that we can prepare for our pre-season properly. We have CL qualifications to worry about as well and cannot have this distraction hanging over our head throughout the summer.
Didn't Neville come out and say that a few players had been annoyed about it when Rooney told them it was all a negotiating tactic for a better deal?
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