De Gea Contract Situation

[holyland red]

Its partly the reason why its becoming so difficult today to create any kind of football dominance, when the big 2 in Spain continue to stampede their way though everyone in the transfer market, especially the Spanish governments fave toy Real Madrid. We became close between 2006-09 in terms of a English and European football dominance, but we know what happened between 2008-09. If our new signing depay becomes a world class player on that special type of player, and leaves for Madrid say at 24-25, you start to question, how in the hell can the club truly become great? when these diva's of a club continue to want a new toy and set us back 2 or 3 years. If these talents continue to use us has a stepping stone, its partly why we are on 3 European cups, and Madrid are on 10, and Barca are on 5 because they get what they want like ronaldo, and we get Antonia valencia puts things into perspective. To win European cups, you got to have the players. If we keep losing the best players, its going to be hard to even get to 4 European cups, let alone 5. People say well players are out there, its not easy finding a top keeper, let alone a world class keeper like DDG at 24, drives you mad when things like this happen. This is not a one off, its becoming a frustrating pattern, and a cliche. Take ronaldo's entire career, that was a cliche, he becomes a world class player and spends his best years at Madrid yea like that was original.

Now imagine how unfair life could have been if you supported Villa. They couldn't even keep Young and Downing. If the reality of this world is that Spanish/S American players end up in Spain if they become good then shopping elsewhere might be the way to go.

Wouldn't do us any harm signing young British players. Aaron Ramsey could have been a United player for less than was thrown at Mendes for Bebe. I bet Bale would never have left us to Madrid if we signed him from Southampton. Coleman and Stones would still improve our starting XI immensely. Instead, I hear there's another Rodrigo on the way here.

 

[devilish]

Now imagine how unfair life could have been if you supported Villa. They couldn't even keep Young and Downing. If the reality of this world is that Spanish/S American players end up in Spain if they become good then shopping elsewhere might be the way to go.

Wouldn't do us any harm signing young British players. Aaron Ramsey could have been a United player for less than was thrown at Mendes for Bebe. I bet Bale would never have left us to Madrid if we signed him from Southampton. Coleman and Stones would still improve our starting XI immensely. Instead, I hear there's another Rodrigo on the way here.

Well we did place a bid for Ramsey and Bale but they chose to go elsewhere. Coleman and Stones would cost us a bomb. Also no amount of Britishness had stopped Owen, Beckham, Mcmanaman, Ince, Hughes, Keegan and Woodgate to go and play elsewhere. Money usuallydoes the talking irrespective if you're from Valencia, Rio De Janiero or Luton.

Ultimately the rules are done in a way which discriminate in favor of British talent. I am pretty sure that the British club would rather invest on a British talent than lets say a Spanish. The trouble is that the former is usually nowhere near good as the latter and when it does its usually 3 times the price. For example can you spot a British keeper whose good enough to replace DDG?

 

[NK86]

Which just shows how perception changes with different but essentialy the same scenarios.

If he turned round and said he wanted to serve last year of his contract and go on a free next year he'd be crucified. But people actually want to make him stay for the year to spite him and madrid. Is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You could argue he's doing us a favour by trying to get a move now so we can get money out of him.

Many different ways to essentially view and judge the same situation.

Is that a joke? So he is doing us a favor by jetting off at the first opportunity when we are in an absolutely horrible position to negotiate? Some favor that is.

 

[soapythecat]

It's a good job DDG doesn't look in the Caf. In the same voice of calling Madrid fans fickle and everything else, there are people slating DDG, saying he should feck off etc, all in response to newspaper articles. Some of you are no worse than the Madrid fans you knock for acting spoilt.

 

[Insanity]

@Oneunited26

It's the cyclical nature of football - Barcelona only had one Champions league trophy before 2006; their dominance in the last decade has also to do with the fact that their academy produced a player who'd arguably go down as The greatest player ever by the time he is done. They are the great team of our era, like Milan or Liverpool in the past. Thing to note is that the backbone of this Barcelona team has come from the academy, not necessarily from buying superstars.

Real despite buying heavily every season and going for a trophy transfer have not been able to replicate the kind of success you'd expect. They only have one more CL trophy than us since we won it in 98-99 and less domestic league titles.

I am more despondent about our current situation than anyone else but you cannot deny that most of it is of our own making. Now we can argue all day whether it was because of the Glazers or Fergie's stinginess in the market; the fact is that it our fault that we replaced Ronaldo with Valencia, or that we weren't able to secure a central midfielder despite the likes of Vidal, Verratti, Modric and others moving for not so significant sums to other clubs. We should have secured Hazard before he went to Chelsea or Silva before he went to City but we bought Ashley fecking Young and are now about to extend his contract.

We fecked up one of the most important decision in clubs history by appointing the moron twins, Moyes and Woodward, to replace Fergie and Gill. We have spent shit ton of money since Fergie left and are still looking for half a team - are we going to blame Barcelona or Madrid for that? Why don't Bayern face the same dilemma as we do? Even with the Spanish two hogging players there is large pool of excellent players in the market who could improve us and make us competitive, it is our fault in not recognizing and securing them.

 

[Whiteside1985]

Some of the rhetoric on here is RAWKish.

The idea that you can be angry or think DDG owes us something is pathetic.

We paid a lot of money for a potentially good keeper, many clubs were after him so we paid what we had to.

It's a contact, it protects the club and the player in different ways. At the end of that contract he's free to do what he wants. He owes us nothing.

Yes, we helped him become a great keeper but that's what we are supposed to do for our players.

Now, with a year to go on his contract he wants to move to over if the biggest 2 clubs in the world, in his home city and live with his girlfriend. And some people on here are stupid enough to think he shouldn't because of some 'loyalty' to us?

20m is a fair price for anyone in the last year of their contact. Kroos who is as good a midfielder as DDG is a keeper (i actually think better but that's another topic) went for 20m and all the best clubs in the works wanted him. DDG only wants madrid, it cuts our options down slightly.

He's served his contact, he owes us nothing.

You are the lone voice of reason it seems. Well said.

 

[Escobar]

Yes, he doesnt owe us anything. But if it is true that United tried to have him sign an extension for almost a year and he didnt because he wanted to move to Real on the cheap, it leaves a bitter taste. Especially if for some reason the deal wont take place. It doesnt show a great deal of loyalty towards United and the fans will surely be disappointed. He could have handled that a lot classier imo and also put more pressure on RM to agree a deal with United instead of them playing games

 

[RuudTom83]

Would you rather we sold him last summer for £40m?

Interesting question, but I would think the answer was obvious! especially for the club directors, football is a business at the end of the day.

 

[Getsme]

Interesting question, but I would think the answer was obvious! especially for the club directors, football is a business at the end of the day.

It would have cost us more if we let him go last season. No way in hell would we be in the Champions league.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I'm a Manchester United supporter.....Course I've a problem with it!

Should I be happy and wave him off at the airport?!

Exactly how I feel. I love my club and it hurts when players keep leaving us for Real and saying it was their dream to play for them and that they are the best club in the world. That hurts like hell because I think my club is the biggest and best in the world. We get treated like compared to Real we are nobody.

 

[Orton]

I highly doubt real is his dream club. If anything he probably is happy enough moving back to Spain to be with his girlfriend. A bit shit but what can you do. She isn't moving to manchester anytime soon.

 

[Insanity]

Exactly how I feel. I love my club and it hurts when players keep leaving us for Real and saying it was their dream to play for them and that they are the best club in the world. That hurts like hell because I think my club is the biggest and best in the world. We get treated like compared to Real we are nobody.

Ronaldo, and who else?

 

[Xaviesta]

Ronaldo, and who else?

Beckham upon joining Madrid: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-dream-come-true-for-beckham/

 

[Oggmonster]

It's a frustrating price as we've pretty much broken even on him but the reality is no one is to blame. The club would of tried keeping de Gea but he wants to leave. It's not the clubs fault and it's not DDG's fault he wants to go back to Spain. People (and I think even I did it in fairness) suggest he sign a new contract and leave next year but unfortunately it's easy to say it when you're in the position, it's Real Madrid we're talking about. A club known for buying a few flavour of the month players i.e. Bale and James, not to say they've been bad but they were bought after brilliant seasons rather than long term scouting it seems. De Gea is no different, if he went on to have a fairly "normal" season next year then what's to say Madrid would ever want him again? At the end of the day it's the guys job and it's seemingly effecting his family and private life so why not leave? If people worked in London and their family and friends lived in Manchester and you got offered more money to move back home and arguably work for a better, more successful company would people take it? I'd imagine most would.

He's a Spanish kid and whilst he probably likes and respects United he's got no real loyalty as a fan to them, although I imagine most footballers lose their status as a fan when they start playing from a professional point of view, it was always obvious he would leave eventually and whilst it's come to soon it was inevitable. I don't wish him to fail or anything like that as he has been a good player for the club but at the same time I hope we don't constantly get reminded what we missed out on when he has a good game as if it's the clubs fault. I dread the day he uses our name to get a new contract and all our fans get excited as if he is coming back. It seems obvious to me he'll never want to leave Spain for work reasons again.

 

[Oneunited26]

@Oneunited26

It's the cyclical nature of football - Barcelona only had one Champions league trophy before 2006; their dominance in the last decade has also to do with the fact that their academy produced a player who'd arguably go down as The greatest player ever by the time he is done. They are the great team of our era, like Milan or Liverpool in the past. Thing to note is that the backbone of this Barcelona team has come from the academy, not necessarily from buying superstars.

Real despite buying heavily every season and going for a trophy transfer have not been able to replicate the kind of success you'd expect. They only have one more CL trophy than us since we won it in 98-99 and less domestic league titles.

I am more despondent about our current situation than anyone else but you cannot deny that most of it is of our own making. Now we can argue all day whether it was because of the Glazers or Fergie's stinginess in the market; the fact is that it our fault that we replaced Ronaldo with Valencia, or that we weren't able to secure a central midfielder despite the likes of Vidal, Verratti, Modric and others moving for not so significant sums to other clubs. We should have secured Hazard before he went to Chelsea or Silva before he went to City but we bought Ashley fecking Young and are now about to extend his contract.

We fecked up one of the most important decision in clubs history by appointing the moron twins, Moyes and Woodward, to replace Fergie and Gill. We have spent shit ton of money since Fergie left and are still looking for half a team - are we going to blame Barcelona or Madrid for that? Why don't Bayern face the same dilemma as we do? Even with the Spanish two hogging players there is large pool of excellent players in the market who could improve us and make us competitive, it is our fault in not recognizing and securing them.

I don't want to blame it all on clubs like Madrid who can buy who ever they like. My fear is? If we start to develop players like depay, and he very much does become that special type of player that brings that X factor to the team, and Madrid start sniffing, and he decided he wants to go there, it does become frustrating to build something special

Of course it's been our undoing, I think we did become a mediocre club after Ronaldo left, with some very underwhelming summers under fergie, a god awful summer under Moyes, and a summer under VG that bought players with very little payoff.

But? There is no denying the fact, we sign one of the most promising GK's and we are going to lose him, which is becoming a frustrating turn of events. The clubs biggest weakness is its location, the cold weather, the city which I feel is not for the Latin players long term. It does make you think we need to develop our own talent, but that is easier said than done

 

[Fully Fledged]

Beckham upon joining Madrid: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-dream-come-true-for-beckham/

He later admitted that reality didn't meet the dream and he wished he'd stayed at OT.

People who think we were ever going to get the likes of £50 million were living in cloud cuckoo land. We wouldn't get that if he had 5 years left on his contract, never mind 1!

Even if we only get €25m for him, that will still make him the SECOND most expensive goalkeeper in history. Goalkeepers just don't command huge fee's, even less so when they have a year left on their contract. Its all a bit shit, but its hardly the clubs fault.

a lot of people aren't saying we should get £50m. They're saying if the most we can get is £18m don't sell. Let him go next year if he still wants to.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Some of the rhetoric on here is RAWKish.

The idea that you can be angry or think DDG owes us something is pathetic.

We paid a lot of money for a potentially good keeper, many clubs were after him so we paid what we had to.

It's a contact, it protects the club and the player in different ways. At the end of that contract he's free to do what he wants. He owes us nothing.

Yes, we helped him become a great keeper but that's what we are supposed to do for our players.

Now, with a year to go on his contract he wants to move to over if the biggest 2 clubs in the world, in his home city and live with his girlfriend. And some people on here are stupid enough to think he shouldn't because of some 'loyalty' to us?

20m is a fair price for anyone in the last year of their contact. Kroos who is as good a midfielder as DDG is a keeper (i actually think better but that's another topic) went for 20m and all the best clubs in the works wanted him. DDG only wants madrid, it cuts our options down slightly.

He's served his contact, he owes us nothing.

Yeah I agree with this except the last sentence, he still 'owes' us a year due to his contract. I'd rather we kept him, and lost him on a free than lose him this summer for the rumoured fee (or any fee that isn't ridiculously high, for that matter).

 

[ZDwyr]

feck off Madrid. Never liked Barca but I hope they dominate La Liga.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

£25m straight no addons would be a fair price, anything less is just disrespectful.

 

[Escobar]

I hope we reject offers unless they up

 

[mu77]

he has every right to do what he's doing i don't think anyone can deny that. the way he's doing it , if indeed he was offered an extension , would be the one thing i'd object to. it's like he's done a glazer - looking for the biggest payday for himself. knowing he'll get more money from real if the signing fee is less. it's football and money in the end. so welcome to the new world.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

he has every right to do what he's doing i don't think anyone can deny that. the way he's doing it , if indeed he was offered an extension , would be the one thing i'd object to. it's like he's done a glazer - looking for the biggest payday for himself. knowing he'll get more money from real if the signing fee is less. it's football and money in the end. so welcome to the new world.

Money is not the issue in this case.

 

[El-Manos]

Even Suarez signed a new contract at Liverpool before feckin off

 

[mu77]

Money is not the issue in this case.

bullshit - money is the issue in the transfer. he could have signed a new deal with the agreement he's free to join real for a price commensurate with his worth. and IMO football is all about money today. those who have it win those who don't lose. and if money isn't the issue why did you post 25m quid would be fair? that seems like a money issue to me.

 

[Shark]

I said it before, but I'll find it difficult to wish him well. He'll not need it anyway, as we all know he's a world class keeper and will be an almost certain success for those cnuts.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

bullshit - money is the issue in the transfer. he could have signed a new deal with the agreement he's free to join real for a price commensurate with his worth. and IMO football is all about money today. those who have it win those who don't lose. and if money isn't the issue why did you post 25m quid would be fair? that seems like a money issue to me.

It's a issue for us, but the only factor for David is location. He could just have signed a new contract and we would have given him loads of money just to get a bigger fee, in the end he is making it easy for Real Madrid to sign him, because he want to go there to be with his girlfriend in his childhood city.

 

[Rado_N]

he has every right to do what he's doing i don't think anyone can deny that. the way he's doing it , if indeed he was offered an extension , would be the one thing i'd object to. it's like he's done a glazer - looking for the biggest payday for himself. knowing he'll get more money from real if the signing fee is less. it's football and money in the end. so welcome to the new world.

If money was his motivation he'd had signed a new deal with us already.

 

[mu77]

It's a issue for us, but the only factor for David is location. He could just have signed a new contract and we would have given him loads of money just to get a bigger fee, in the end he is making it easy for Real Madrid to sign him, because he want to go there to be with his girlfriend in his childhood city.

plus more money from real. don't be fooled if it wasn't about money why not go back to AM - they could stump up the cash for the transfer and he could then play for his childhood club in his hometown for 25-30k a week. his girl would have to shop at thrift stores but he'd be home. cash may not be his only motivator but it's in the top one.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

plus more money from real. don't be fooled if it wasn't about money why not go back to AM - they could stump up the cash for the transfer and he could then play for his childhood club in his hometown for 25-30k a week. his girl would have to shop at thrift stores but he'd be home. cash may not be his only motivator but it's in the top one.

They couldn't pay anywhere near what Utd or Real could + Real have bigger chances to win things. Besides that, AM already have a good young goalkeeper in Oblak, they wouldn't buy him.
As i said, this transfer won't have anything to do with money for de Gea's part.

 

[hebegebe]

I'm so over this, he's off, time to move on, Valdes will be fine.

 

[JustAFan]

Will grab the link later but just read on another forum that the first reports of us trying to extend his contract were in Oct of 2013. If true it shows the club has been trying and we need to stop all the moaning about the club letting the contract run down.

 

[Nights]

If money was his motivation he'd had signed a new deal with us already.

This +100000.

We would make make him the best paid goalie in the world.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

£25m straight no addons would be a fair price, anything less is just disrespectful.

Why is it fair. Let's be serious they wanted to get rid of Di Maria and we ended up paying an absolute fortune. We do not want to get rid of DDG, we do not have to sell, we should take them to the cleaners. I am not saying we should get Di Maria type money, but I find 25M a p*sstake. Knowing Madrid, we will give them DDG and stupid money for Benezema,

 

[Timdbro]

Why is it fair. Let's be serious they wanted to get rid of Di Maria and we ended up paying an absolute fortune. We do not want to get rid of DDG, we do not have to sell, we should take them to the cleaners. I am not saying we should get Di Maria type money, but I find 25M a p*sstake. Knowing Madrid, we will give them DDG and stupid money for Benezema,

Knowing us, more like

 

[Timdbro]

Even Suarez signed a new contract at Liverpool before feckin off

I'm annoyed about this aspect too, but then look at some Dortmund (Lewandowski, Gundogan, Kagawa I think) and Bayern (Kroos) players who also let/are letting their contracts run down before leaving (not yet in Gundogan's case). And yet they were supposed to owe some sort of loyalty to their clubs too, certainly more than Suarez did to Liverpool.

The more immediately annoying aspect is that one of our domestic rivals has the other contender for best young gk in the world, and he was willing to spend three bloody years on loan elsewhere and come back to them afterwards with a smile on his face, whilst signing a new long-term contract. We did a lot more for De Gea than Chelsea did for Courtois, but there you have it.

 

[NM]

Beckham upon joining Madrid: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-dream-come-true-for-beckham/

The same Beckham who was booted (literally) out of the club and later admitted to crying and not wanting to leave? Of course it was a dream

The only player we have sold that we didn't want to (to Madrid) was Ronaldo, and now probably De Gea

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Why is it fair. Let's be serious they wanted to get rid of Di Maria and we ended up paying an absolute fortune. We do not want to get rid of DDG, we do not have to sell, we should take them to the cleaners. I am not saying we should get Di Maria type money, but I find 25M a p*sstake. Knowing Madrid, we will give them DDG and stupid money for Benezema,

He has 1 year left on his contract, Kroos went for 20m last year, he is quality too. Real Madrid won't be taken to the cleaners, they can always find another target like Leno, but de Gea wants to go there, so we should get rid, but not at any price of course.

 

[Snow]

I'm annoyed about this aspect too, but then look at some Dortmund (Lewandowski, Gundogan, Kagawa I think) and Bayern (Kroos) players who also let/are letting their contracts run down before leaving (not yet in Gundogan's case). And yet they were supposed to owe some sort of loyalty to their clubs too, certainly more than Suarez did to Liverpool.

The more immediately annoying aspect is that one of our domestic rivals has the other contender for best young gk in the world, and he was willing to spend three bloody years on loan elsewhere and come back to them afterwards with a smile on his face, whilst signing a new long-term contract. We did a lot more for De Gea than Chelsea did for Courtois, but there you have it.

Not sure what you're comparing here. Courtois was unproven and young and behind Cech in a the pecking order. He was extremely lucky that Atlético took a punt on him and he got to play as much as he did. Why would he leave Chelsea before even playing for them when he's guaranteed the nr. 1 spot?

 

[united_99]

Beckham upon joining Madrid: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-dream-come-true-for-beckham/

That doesn't mean anything, there are players who sign for us too and say upon signing it was a dream to play for us blah blah.

Becks didn't say anything about dreaming of RM while he was here, he only said it once he wasn't wanted here anymore and then it's fair enough. In his book which was published in the summer of 2003 (exactly at the time of his transfer) he said if he had to leave United he is glad that it is for a club as big as United (he also explained that Barca have a great history but Madrid is still Madrid). In the end I think he prefered Madrid's glamour to Barca.

The only player we lost to them who we wanted to keep and who truly believed RM was made for him, that they were bigger than us and kept being linked with them in 3 of his 6 years with us was Ronaldo.
(Well Chicharito too, but he is kind of a non entity for a while anyway).

With DDG it's still different, at least he would be returning to his home country and town.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

We signed Van Persie at the peak of his powers and from a rival for 24 million because he was in the last year of his deal.

We'd do well to get a similar fee for De Gea. Talk of 30 million plus is just stupid and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the way the market works.

I think he will go for around 20 + 5 million worth of add-ons.