Mass shooting at Church in US

I'm sorry for the victim's families and for this senseless loss of their loved ones but nothing will change. NOTHING.
When a bunch of white kindergarten kids are senselessly murdered and politics and money gets in the way of fixing a glaring problem...don't even begin to think anything would be done. Americans are going to move on with their lives until the next mass shooting and their 'outrage' and at the end of the day, they're gonna have to live with the fact that it's just their way of life. Go to church, go to class, go to the mall, go anywhere...you may be the victim of mass shooter.
 
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You'd think he'd have shot his hairdresser first.
I'm not sure he'd want to kill his sisterwife.

Anyways, this was the top post on Reddit as soon as the news got out with the headline "Every time there is a mass murder, this Charlie Brooker video needs to be reposted".
 
Charleston shooting suspect Dylann Roof 'wanted to ignite civil war'


Roommate says 21-year-old had been ‘planning something like that for six months’ after massacre that killed nine black churchgoers in South Carolina



The 21-year-old accused of killing nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, had been “planning something like that for six months”, his roommate has revealed, as friends recalled Dylann Roof’s tirades against African Americans “taking over the world” and his desire to ignite “a civil war”.

The killings have sent shockwaves across the United States, as the nation confronts a breaking point over race and gun violence following yet another mass shooting. Hundreds of people gathered to pay their respects outside the Emanuel AME Church – the scene of the shooting – on Thursday evening, with more prayer services held throughout Charleston.

A day after the massacre – labelled a ‘hate crime’ by South Carolina police – a portrait of Roof as an apparently committed racist is building from interviews with associates of the young man, shown in Facebook photos wearing a jacket bearing the flags of the former white-racist regimes of South Africa and Rhodesia.

Joseph Meek Jr, a childhood friend who saw Roof the morning of the shooting, said the pair had never discussed race growing up. But when they recently reconnected, Roof told him “blacks were taking over the world [and] someone needed to do something about it for the white race”, he told the Associated Press.

“He said he wanted segregation between whites and blacks. I said, ‘That’s not the way it should be.’ But he kept talking about it.”

Meek said when he woke up on Wednesday morning, Roof was at his house, sleeping in his car outside – its license plate bearing the confederate flag.

Later that day Meek said he and some friends had gone to a nearby lake but Roof stayed behind, deciding he’d rather see a movie. The next time he saw Roof was in surveillance-camera photos distributed by police in the aftermath of the killing. “I knew it was him,” Meek said.

A roommate, Dalton Tyler, said Roof had been “planning something like that for six months”.

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler told ABC News. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

He said Roof had been “on and off” with his parents, but they had previously bought him a gun. He hadn’t been allowed to take it with him until this week, Tyler said.

Roof’s uncle Carson Cowles said the gun, a .45-caliber pistol, had been a gift for the introverted young man’s 21st birthday.

“I said he was like 19 years old, he still didn’t have a job, a driver’s license or anything like that and he just stayed in his room a lot of the time,” Cowles said.

“I don’t have any words for it. Nobody in my family had seen anything like this coming.”

A high school contemporary, John Mullins, told the Daily Beast

: “He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.” But now, he said, it seemed that “the things he said were kind of not joking”.

Richard Cohen, the president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Roof was not known to his organisation, which tracks hate crimes across the US, but based on his Facebook page he appeared to be a “disaffected white supremacist”.

Others expressed surprise at Roof’s crimes. “I never thought he’d do something like this,” a high school friend, Antonio Metze, told AP. “He had black friends.”

Meek’s mother, Kimberly Konzny, described him as a “sweet kid”. “He was quiet. He only had a few friends,” she said.

Though police say Roof lived in Columbia, South Carolina, he apparently had ties to the nearby Lexington area. Roof had a mixed educational record in the Lexington school district, attending White Knoll high school in both the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

Roof also had at least two run-ins with the law. The Lexington county district attorney’s office confirmed that Roof had been charged with possession of a controlled substance in March but the circumstances surrounding that arrest remain unclear.

He was also arrested in April for misdemeanour trespassing in Lexington county.

On Thursday police released Roof’s mugshot and then moved him from police custody in North Carolina, on his way back to face charges in South Carolina.

Reuters reports that Roof had lived with his older sister Amber and their father part-time until his father and stepmother divorced. A profile on TheKnot.comshows that Amber Roof is scheduled to be married on Sunday in Lexington, South Carolina, according to Reuters.

After his capture in Shelby, North Carolina, on Thursday morning – after a florist spotted and tailed his car – Roof was extradited to Charleston, where he is being held in isolation at a detention centre facing nine counts of murder, according to Live5 news.

On Thursday President Barack Obama addressed the nation from the White House, expressing heartache at the killings and saying American communities have had to endure such tragedies too many times.

“At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries,” Obama said. “It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency – and it is in our power to do something about it.”

The Charleston mayor, Joseph P Riley Jr, said at a press conference: “In America, you know, we don’t let bad people like this get away with these dastardly deeds.”

The streets outside of Emanuel church were crowded with people on Thursday night who wished to pay their respects to the dead: Cynthia Hurd, 54; Susie Jackson, 87; Ethel Lance, 70; DePayne Middleton-Doctor, 49; Clementa Pickney, 41; Tywanza Sanders, 26; Daniel Simmons, 74; Sharonda Singleton, 45 and Myra Thompson, 59.

“It’s just mind-boggling, I don’t have the right words to say it. Just shock,” said Marymargaret Givens, a 60 year-old housekeeper who works just blocks away. “The way it happened. They were just innocent people. They were godly people.” She gazed back towards the church, said a prayer for the dead and then walked away.

“It was an evil that was incomprehensible,” said Pastor Cress Darwin who had earlier led a prayer session at the Second Presbyterian Church next door to Emanuel AME. As throngs of worshipers poured out onto the streets, many in tears. Darwin continued: “But this community is coming together. Because of it we will be more vigilant in terms of our security. But because of who we serve, we will not stop welcoming in the stranger, because death is not the last word.”

57 year-old Marilyn Martin had attended school with Myra Thompson and had known Tywanza Sanders. She described Sanders as a “strong man with a good head on his shoulders”. The 26-year-old, she said, had just graduated college and “couldn’t wait to be a productive citizen”.

Vigils were also held across the US, including in Nebraska, New York and Florida.

The African American community in Charleston and indeed throughout the United States is still reeling from the murder just 10 weeks earlier of Walter Scott, an unarmed black man shot dead by a North Charleston police officer just miles away from the site of Wednesday’s shooting.

The Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church traces its roots to 1816 and is one of the largest black congregations south of Baltimore. The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr addressed the church in 1962.



Racism does not exist in a vacuum. You can call me a pop psychologist all you want, say I'm looking for agenda where there is none but there should be nothing ambiguous about this.
 
I'm not sure he'd want to kill his sisterwife.

Anyways, this was the top post on Reddit as soon as the news got out with the headline "Every time there is a mass murder, this Charlie Brooker video needs to be reposted".


Great stuff
 
Charleston shooting suspect Dylann Roof 'wanted to ignite civil war'


Roommate says 21-year-old had been ‘planning something like that for six months’ after massacre that killed nine black churchgoers in South Carolina



The 21-year-old accused of killing nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, had been “planning something like that for six months”, his roommate has revealed, as friends recalled Dylann Roof’s tirades against African Americans “taking over the world” and his desire to ignite “a civil war”.

The killings have sent shockwaves across the United States, as the nation confronts a breaking point over race and gun violence following yet another mass shooting. Hundreds of people gathered to pay their respects outside the Emanuel AME Church – the scene of the shooting – on Thursday evening, with more prayer services held throughout Charleston.

A day after the massacre – labelled a ‘hate crime’ by South Carolina police – a portrait of Roof as an apparently committed racist is building from interviews with associates of the young man, shown in Facebook photos wearing a jacket bearing the flags of the former white-racist regimes of South Africa and Rhodesia.

Joseph Meek Jr, a childhood friend who saw Roof the morning of the shooting, said the pair had never discussed race growing up. But when they recently reconnected, Roof told him “blacks were taking over the world [and] someone needed to do something about it for the white race”, he told the Associated Press.

“He said he wanted segregation between whites and blacks. I said, ‘That’s not the way it should be.’ But he kept talking about it.”

Meek said when he woke up on Wednesday morning, Roof was at his house, sleeping in his car outside – its license plate bearing the confederate flag.

Later that day Meek said he and some friends had gone to a nearby lake but Roof stayed behind, deciding he’d rather see a movie. The next time he saw Roof was in surveillance-camera photos distributed by police in the aftermath of the killing. “I knew it was him,” Meek said.

A roommate, Dalton Tyler, said Roof had been “planning something like that for six months”.

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler told ABC News. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

He said Roof had been “on and off” with his parents, but they had previously bought him a gun. He hadn’t been allowed to take it with him until this week, Tyler said.

Roof’s uncle Carson Cowles said the gun, a .45-caliber pistol, had been a gift for the introverted young man’s 21st birthday.

“I said he was like 19 years old, he still didn’t have a job, a driver’s license or anything like that and he just stayed in his room a lot of the time,” Cowles said.

“I don’t have any words for it. Nobody in my family had seen anything like this coming.”

A high school contemporary, John Mullins, told the Daily Beast

: “He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.” But now, he said, it seemed that “the things he said were kind of not joking”.

Richard Cohen, the president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Roof was not known to his organisation, which tracks hate crimes across the US, but based on his Facebook page he appeared to be a “disaffected white supremacist”.

Others expressed surprise at Roof’s crimes. “I never thought he’d do something like this,” a high school friend, Antonio Metze, told AP. “He had black friends.”

Meek’s mother, Kimberly Konzny, described him as a “sweet kid”. “He was quiet. He only had a few friends,” she said.

Though police say Roof lived in Columbia, South Carolina, he apparently had ties to the nearby Lexington area. Roof had a mixed educational record in the Lexington school district, attending White Knoll high school in both the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

Roof also had at least two run-ins with the law. The Lexington county district attorney’s office confirmed that Roof had been charged with possession of a controlled substance in March but the circumstances surrounding that arrest remain unclear.

He was also arrested in April for misdemeanour trespassing in Lexington county.

On Thursday police released Roof’s mugshot and then moved him from police custody in North Carolina, on his way back to face charges in South Carolina.

Reuters reports that Roof had lived with his older sister Amber and their father part-time until his father and stepmother divorced. A profile on TheKnot.comshows that Amber Roof is scheduled to be married on Sunday in Lexington, South Carolina, according to Reuters.

After his capture in Shelby, North Carolina, on Thursday morning – after a florist spotted and tailed his car – Roof was extradited to Charleston, where he is being held in isolation at a detention centre facing nine counts of murder, according to Live5 news.

On Thursday President Barack Obama addressed the nation from the White House, expressing heartache at the killings and saying American communities have had to endure such tragedies too many times.

“At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries,” Obama said. “It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency – and it is in our power to do something about it.”

The Charleston mayor, Joseph P Riley Jr, said at a press conference: “In America, you know, we don’t let bad people like this get away with these dastardly deeds.”

The streets outside of Emanuel church were crowded with people on Thursday night who wished to pay their respects to the dead: Cynthia Hurd, 54; Susie Jackson, 87; Ethel Lance, 70; DePayne Middleton-Doctor, 49; Clementa Pickney, 41; Tywanza Sanders, 26; Daniel Simmons, 74; Sharonda Singleton, 45 and Myra Thompson, 59.

“It’s just mind-boggling, I don’t have the right words to say it. Just shock,” said Marymargaret Givens, a 60 year-old housekeeper who works just blocks away. “The way it happened. They were just innocent people. They were godly people.” She gazed back towards the church, said a prayer for the dead and then walked away.

“It was an evil that was incomprehensible,” said Pastor Cress Darwin who had earlier led a prayer session at the Second Presbyterian Church next door to Emanuel AME. As throngs of worshipers poured out onto the streets, many in tears. Darwin continued: “But this community is coming together. Because of it we will be more vigilant in terms of our security. But because of who we serve, we will not stop welcoming in the stranger, because death is not the last word.”

57 year-old Marilyn Martin had attended school with Myra Thompson and had known Tywanza Sanders. She described Sanders as a “strong man with a good head on his shoulders”. The 26-year-old, she said, had just graduated college and “couldn’t wait to be a productive citizen”.

Vigils were also held across the US, including in Nebraska, New York and Florida.

The African American community in Charleston and indeed throughout the United States is still reeling from the murder just 10 weeks earlier of Walter Scott, an unarmed black man shot dead by a North Charleston police officer just miles away from the site of Wednesday’s shooting.

The Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church traces its roots to 1816 and is one of the largest black congregations south of Baltimore. The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr addressed the church in 1962.



Racism does not exist in a vacuum. You can call me a pop psychologist all you want, say I'm looking for agenda where there is none but there should be nothing ambiguous about this.

I don't get how someone is known to have been planning something like this for 'months,' yet none of his khunting room mates did anything about it? What kind of farqed up world do we live in?
 
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Do you think there would have been a backlash if Breivik was on the cover of Rolling Stone?

I think the reason that Rolling Stone picked up on Tsarnaev is because he is quite good looking and resembles a rock star. I don't think we will be seeing the ugly goober that committed this recent atrocity on the front of Rolling Stone anytime soon!
 
Probably. But seriously, who cares? Why does it matter?

If anything, a chaotic scum-bag like this doesn't deserve to be called a terrorist. He's even worse than terrorists.

Aye. This is what troubles me about this argument. Being called a terrorist hints at some sort of sophistication regarding motivation. It does puzzle me why people find it so important that he should a be labeled as such.
 
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Heart breaking....
 
The children of one of the victims say this:

Sharonda Singleton coached the girls' athletics team here. As her photo rested on an easel on the polished floors in the vast sports hall, her friends and family paid tribute.

Speaking for the first time since the deadly attack on the AME church where she worshipped, Sharonda's two children, Chris and Camryn, told me they forgive the man who killed her.

"We already forgive him and there's nothing but love from our side of the family," Chris told me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33195111
 
Possibly? But seriously, who cares? Why does it matter?

If anything, a chaotic scum-bag like this doesn't deserve to be called a terrorist. He's even worse than terrorists.

Unfortunately I think it matters in the sense that draconian laws and even wars have been launched on the back of the supposedly strictly defined term 'terrorism', and that these have been primarily targeted at certain ethnic/racial/religious groups which typically don't include guys like this.
 
Possibly? But seriously, who cares? Why does it matter?
To me, it doesn't really. I just brought it up again, based on the discussion of what constitutes terrorism that was being discussed yesterday, and now this case seemingly fits into the consensus from yesterday.

I don't get how someone is known to have been planning something like this for 'months,' yet none of his khunting room mates did anything about it? What kind of farqed up world do we live in?
The cynic in me feels he'd might well have been reported if he has of a different color/ethnicity.
 
Possibly? But seriously, who cares? Why does it matter?

If anything, a chaotic scum-bag like this doesn't deserve to be called a terrorist. He's even worse than terrorists.

It makes all the difference considering the sensitive nature of race-relations in the US.

Whether we like it or not, social convention has depicted 'terorrism' to be of a more negative term than someone who's 'mentally ill' going on a murder rampage. Now that we learn of his intentions which pretty much solidifies this as an act of terrorism, if we try to dance around it and start to conjure up excuses for this fella (ala Faux News et al), then how is the US black community going to interpret this?
 
Absolutely, the worst part isn't the tragedies themselves but the discourse that follows which leads to absolutely nothing being done in the future to even try and address it. We blame politicians for it, but too many people believe in bullshit.

On subjects on gun control, racism at a systemic level (with regards to crime, drug laws, prisons etc). The defensiveness over those issues. That's as much a tragedy as as any mass shooting. I can't even blame people for being apathetic when even the most basic and most sensible gun laws in the aftermath of these things gets routinely routed. A sizeable amount of people love guns more than their fellow human beings. So bizarre.
 
It's weird, but when I hear "terrorist" and "mass murderer" I put more negative connotations on mass murderer. It literally sounds worse to me.
 
It's weird, but when I hear "terrorist" and "mass murderer" I put more negative connotations on mass murderer. It literally sounds worse to me.

To me too. By a margin.

Although that's possibly down to being brought up in a country where the label "terrorist" is not all that far removed from "freedom fighter"

I reckon it's an American thing. This idea that being a terrorist is the Worst. Thing. Possible.
 
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How sad it is that we have to go through all of this yet again. There are few times I agree with Piers Morgan, but his tireless efforts to bring gun control to America are admirable.
Especially since he has no chance of ever winning. The country is obsessed with guns - the point PM often makes about how easy it is to get a gun in the same supermarket where Kinder Eggs are banned for being 'unhealthy' is just insane. As he quite rightly states once again, gun sales in South Carolina will soar in the coming days because Americans have been brainwashed by the NRA in to thinking this is the only solution.
Each time something like this happens (and sadly it WILL happen again) all the political bigwigs, including the President first of all express their grief and sorrow (fair enough) but then go on to promise action on guns (which is bullsh1t).
I wonder if while I'm alive there will ever come a time where some nutcase who wants to pull off a crime like this actually can't because they're unable to get their hands on a gun due to actual strict, controlled gun laws. I fear not.
 
To me too. By a margin.

Although that's possibly down to being brought up in a country where the label "terrorist" is not all that far removed from "freedom fighter"

I reckon it's an American thing. This idea that being a terrorist is the Worst. Thing. Possible.

I think it's a post 9/11 western media thing rather than just American.

There's a very clear distinction between the media reporting of a mass murderer and a terrorist event. The latter oft comes with a negative association and discussion of a particular collective with the former just being an individual evil act or an act of the mentally ill.

You call this a terrorist act and it opens up the argument on how to control this group with a harmful ideology. Call it a mass murder and the discussion stops with the perpetrator being caught.

You'd hope pragmatism ruled and the causes were dealt with either way but I'm not so sure.
 
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I think it's a post 9/11 western media thing rather than just American.

There's a very clear distinction between the media reporting of a mass murderer and a terrorist event. The latter oft comes with a negative association and discussion of a particular collective with the former just being an individual evil act or an act of the mentally ill.

You call this a terrorist act and it opens up the argument on how to control this group with a harmful ideology. Call it a mass murder and the discussion stops with the perpetrator being caught.


You'd hope pragmatism ruled and the causes were dealt with either way but I'm not so sure.

Aye, good point.
 
I wasn't aware that the shooter had been wearing a confederate flag

This guy has confessed to doing this because he wanted to start a 'civil race war', planned this attack for months and it was his belief that black people were 'taking over'

Are we still so sure this wasn't an act of terrorism?
I would describe it as mass murder and a hate crime. The lad sounds like he is a bit of a loner and a loser (as they often are) and he has the often-seen (amongst those who kill indiscriminately) 'dead eyes' in his pictures. I don't imagine he's part of a terror group or subscribes to any ideology except his own crazy one.
 
Unfortunately I think it matters in the sense that draconian laws and even wars have been launched on the back of the supposedly strictly defined term 'terrorism', and that these have been primarily targeted at certain ethnic/racial/religious groups which typically don't include guys like this.
That's it we are bombing South Carolina!
 
Of course this news about his agenda is just coming out it was not public from the start so all discussion could only be based on what was known at the time. If it mattes that much to you call him a terrorist or whatever you want.
 
I would describe it as mass murder and a hate crime. The lad sounds like he is a bit of a loner and a loser (as they often are) and he has the often-seen (amongst those who kill indiscriminately) 'dead eyes' in his pictures. I don't imagine he's part of a terror group or subscribes to any ideology except his own crazy one.

Well his ideology is shared by a certain number of people particularly within South Carolina so I wouldn't say he is alone in that thinking. Initially I thought this was your garden variety hate crime but now that we know his intentions and what motivated him, it's clear this is an act of terror in the same way Breivik had committed.

Like to also say that Jon Stewart absolutely nails it in the above videos.
 
I would describe it as mass murder and a hate crime. The lad sounds like he is a bit of a loner and a loser (as they often are) and he has the often-seen (amongst those who kill indiscriminately) 'dead eyes' in his pictures. I don't imagine he's part of a terror group or subscribes to any ideology except his own crazy one.

It is definitely a hate crime, and mass murder - but considering his political bias, and his attempt to 'incite a racial war' the lines become blurred with terrorism. With this new information I can't see how it can not be thought of as an act of terrorism personally.

Of course this news about his agenda is just coming out it was not public from the start so all discussion could only be based on what was known at the time. If it mattes that much to you call him a terrorist or whatever you want.

true, I wasn't aware of his agenda or beliefs when I first heard about it, now it's coming out it becomes a different discussion.

Personally I think it's important to identify terrorism in others who don't look like what is the stereotypical "terrorist" or any other label other than "a loner/quiet/shy individual".
 
How do you stop this sort of thing? Firstly, guns are so rife in America that increasing the difficulty of getting a gun is almost futile (not that I'm against more background checks).

Secondly, if he's not legally mentally ill, but is just a loner what would there be to stop him getting his hands on a gun under increased checks? His prior arrests were for trespassing and drug possession of methamphetamine, cocaine and LSD, the latter of course being a lot more serious but I still doubt that'd prevent him getting a gun.

I just don't get the idea of somebody getting a gun for their birthday. Why would you want something that should be used as a last resort and in self defence as a present? Would girls be happy if they got a can of Mace or rape alarm as a gift? Obviously in this case he wanted it to actively go out and murder people, but I bet it's a pretty common present in America. It really does blow my mind.
 
Well his ideology is shared by a certain number of people particularly within South Carolina so I wouldn't say he is alone in that thinking. Initially I thought this was your garden variety hate crime but now that we know his intentions and what motivated him, it's clear this is an act of terror in the same way Breivik had committed.

Like to also say that Jon Stewart absolutely nails it in the above videos.

Yeah, there's a vid knocking round from that young Turks fella along the same lines. America has spunked billions on protecting its citizens from a perceived threat from Islamist terrorists since 9-11, while barely paying lip-service to the very real threat from far-right extremists groups in their own country. Apparently, post 9/11, the latter are responsible for the death of more US citizens than the former.
 
Yeah, there's a vid knocking round from that young Turks fella along the same lines. America has spunked billions on protecting its citizens from a perceived threat from Islamist terrorists since 9-11, while barely paying lip-service to the very real threat from far-right extremists groups in their own country. Apparently, post 9/11, the latter are responsible for the death of more US citizens than the former.

There´s like 19 known hate groups in South Carolina alone.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/south-carolina-is-home-to-at-least-19-known-hate-groups/
 
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Does anybody know why he fled to where he did?
 
Texas was just prevented from allowing the confederate flag on license plates by a SCOTUS decision. Interestingly Clarence Thomas sided with the 'liberal' justices.
 
Nimrata Randhawa, the female governor of South Carolina, supports the Confederate flag flying over the capital because . . .“What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state,” Haley said. “I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”

She also stated, "We´ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter our places of worship and take the life of another"

Really Nimrata, you really don´t get it? Seriously?
 
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