Ramos is 29?! I thought he was still a young n learning CB at 24 
Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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I agree
Looked like LVG had abandoned the right/left foot thing by the end of the season anyway, what with Smalling/Jones being the preferred partnership.
Otamendi was arguably the best cb in Spain last year. Not really another Vidic, plus he would probably cost more to sign than Ramos would.
I see nothing wrong in signing the best player you can for the position that's most in need. These signings for the future is why we have 3 cb in jones / Smalling / Evans in the awkward position of not quite having the consistency of performance yet are still young enough to give the benifit of the doubt to. It's the Nani dilemma.
If Jones turns out to be as good as Ramos we would be delighted, yet when Ramos becomes available we shouldn't look to sign him?
Some might say those are 3 players who have hardly gone on to be world beaters after they left.
There could be something in that.
Tbh I'd cream myself if we got Ramos and otemendi in.
Never happening in a million years though.
Never happening in a million years though.
Who said we were paying silly money?
Yep, posted on the last page that I realised it was a bad argument right after I had posted, especially as I think Otamendi is right footed too? So yeah, not important.
With Woody in charge of negotiations, that's a given.
Fergie tried to sign him when he went to Madrid as well.
The truth is that United is acting very wisely. I imagine they are aware that moving the next captain, with everything he represents is very complicated but surely they have put Florentino in a very difficult position. Ramos is not di Maria and Ozil , is Spanish and the hero of la Décima. The press can eat Florentino if he allows it , so he will have to sit down and negotiate with Ramos, paying more than he´d like. Moreover surely United knows that de Gea is gone but extending the situation while tapping players is going to get the socios very nervous. Marca has not written anything yet , surely will be the cover tomorrow and the only theme in the coming days. If in the end the issue is extended , he will end up paying 35-40 million for de Gea
Equates to €65mThat's a very specific number
Anyway, get him in.
Why would this siutation force him to paying 35-40m for De Gea?
I would rather pay silly money for a quality 24 year old than silly money for a 29 year old.
I think the idea is that the notion of us tapping up all of their players (and particularly someone like Ramos) will make Madrid nervous (especially if they have to negotiate those player's contracts anyway). As such they will then have an incentive to get the De Gea deal wrapped up quickly rather than letting all this speculation drag on.
Seems far fetched but then I remember those stories of us using a third party to negotiate with Chelsea for Mata so that they couldn't ask us about Rooney, or us attempting to buy Fellaini and Baines in a joint bid so that they weren't in a position to turn us down when we came back a second time. Christ only knows the thought process that goes into different negotiation strategies...
I think I've mixed it up a bit; extending negotiations by a player and causing his team can use the situation to ask for others. Right now the situation is " if you want to negotiate, I will force you too to negotiate for your players even if you don´t want" ,while he has to sit at the table with United will be many rumors, which he doesn´t want.If we arrive to the end of August and de Gea is still not signed Florentino will have to bend the knee and pay what asked.
You are giving us too much credit, unlike your club we don't get involved in politics/specific transfer tactics, etc. We are still too naive in this regard, especially the Woody/LvG combo and have to learn a lot from the likes of RM/Barca/Chelsea regarding transfers as well as contract renewals.Interesting take. I think we can all agree on one thing, Ramos will not be playing for Manchester United next year!
You do wonder if there's some silly buggers going on behind the scenes now between the 2 clubs.
They were even linked to Ottamendi too recently weren't they. Can't help thinking all this stuff is coming from them trying to feck us on the De Gea transfer.
They were even linked to Ottamendi too recently weren't they. Can't help thinking all this stuff is coming from them trying to feck us on the De Gea transfer.
Would've made more sense if we enquired about their right back Carvajal instead and looked at getting a CB from elsewhere like Ottemendi or Hummels.
I remember him as a RB years ago. Always thought he was excellent there (maybe I'm mistaken, though).
But yeah, Ramos is one of the best ball-playing central defenders around. Don't think we'll get him (don't think we need him as presumably Smalling will play that role), but won't argue if we do.
But yeah, Ramos is one of the best ball-playing central defenders around. Don't think we'll get him (don't think we need him as presumably Smalling will play that role), but won't argue if we do.
FWIW in 2014/ 2015, Ramos accrued 0 red cards in 50 starts combined for Real Madrid and Spain (which also speaks to his fitness record - hasn't played less than 40 games per season through his decade long career in Madrid, and averages 45 club games per season for the past 5 seasons). He matured a ton under Ancelotti down the stretch - became more patient, with improved decision-making and carved out more of a vocal leadership role at Real Madrid with the regression of Casillas.
C'mon, when was the last time we have seen a United player acting like this ? At times you need characters like him in the team.
Yes please, would love him here. Leadership, organization, not a half bad defender either.
All the papers running with this it seems. Might actually be something in it
Could you specify this? Why especially them?
That sounds like a challenge. If he signs, United will put a severe dent in to that average pretty quickly.
He's somebody you dont include in your transfer wishlists simply because he's so fecking good you would never expect him to move club. If there is any legs to this, and he is a united player next season. holy shit.
Presumably one or the other (with Otamendi making more sense and more likely to actually happen). If we took the two of them we'd have to offload a CB or two ourselves.
I meant post Fergie when we became Europe's biggest spenders in no time
He's often been ridiculed on here over the years, but as soon as we're linked he suddenly becomes world class and the sort of character we need? Christ.
I hope this is all the usual media shite.
I hope this is all the usual media shite.
Yeah Woody's mentality is simple, Madrid have quality players in positions we need strengthening, he's not savy enough to understand the club politics at Madrid and take advantage of them.
The Ramos thing really escalated quickly. I understand people saying he wants more money, but i am not sure he will get what he wants. If Real turn against someone, he is fast out the door.
All the media articles are ok, but Cope are very reliable and they give me hope. If they say we want him and he could go, i think there is a decent chance that it could happen. I would be delighted with it.
All the media articles are ok, but Cope are very reliable and they give me hope. If they say we want him and he could go, i think there is a decent chance that it could happen. I would be delighted with it.
Yeah that is bullshit. From what quarters did Rio get flack for being precious? Not on the Caf I bet. Those 3 defenders you mentioned are recognized as some of the best defenders we've seen this century. What body of work can you point to to suggest Ramos belongs in that category? I see you used the David May argument, if that's all you got then keep looking.
People are forgetting that we need a RB and that Ramos can play there...
I hope Van Gaal can convince him to play there. That's the trick, especially since Ramos cemented his place at CB for both club and country.
He has 3 La Liga titles which is 1 less than Terry and 2 less than Vidic but none of those or Rio have anywhere close to the same level of domestic honours if they were vs the Barca side he's been against the last 10 years. All of them have 1CL except for Terry who missed the final Chelsea won. International level he's won more than all 3 combined 2 European championships and a World Cup with 128 caps for Spain.
How you can possibly claim Ramos doesn't belong in the same group as those defenders is laughable.
With Ramos, it is always polemic.
He's an absolute grade A cnut, and I don't mean in a good way either.
Do not want. Please.
Do not want. Please.
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