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What do you think of Sergio Ramos as a potential signing?


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So how many of the soulless cnuts who were being all cynical (about the news and to the posters who believed them) are now pushing their way through the very crowd of believers they so arrogantly dismissed to a front row seat?

Disgusting. Next time, don't be so dismissive. Live a little and learn.

I don't know if the comedy is intentional or unintentional but there isn't a post of yours that I read and don't go LOL.

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I can't see how anyone wouldn't be very excited at the prospect of signing Sergio Ramos! Even if you prefer Otamendi or someone else.
 
I think I know what your problem is. Football at the highest level has undergone a sea change in recent seasons, and the importance of a central defender's ability to be proficient in the possession game is becoming more pronounced. Yet folks still have very conservative views of what central defenders are supposed to be like. The game is constantly evolving, elite teams are becoming more diverse instead of relying on specialists, so in a sense comparing a central defender like Ramos with Baresi or Kohler is like comparing a deep lying, modern definition of a defensive midfielder in Xabi Alonso with Rijkaard or Monti - and then complaining about the stylistic or maybe even functional variance in their approach.

If you carefully examine 3 of the most successful teams in Europe through the past 5 seasons - Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich, the number of times their central defenders touch the ball per game is almost as high as the midfielders through some of the biggest matches of the season. The best European clubs are putting a lot of emphasis on defenders who can help control the rhythm of games from the back, and help build up the offensive play from deeper areas. This trait is of utmost importance under a manager like Van Gaal who likes his goalkeepers and central defenders to be extremely comfortable in possession.

This is why he isn't likely to sign a keeper like Cech (if he was hypothetically interested in moving out of London), even though he might technically be the best pure goalkeeper available. Edwin Van der Sar wasn't the greatest shot-stopper or the most natural pure goalkeeper when he was at Ajax, something that has been well documented though the years. But he had the qualities that Van Gaal wanted in possession and organisational ability, and Louis along-with Hoek helped him become one of he very best goalkeepers around. Hence Van Gaal referring to him as the "manufactured goalkeeper". Ramos might not be as good of a pure defender as Kohler or Baresi or Maldini, he might not even be comparable to Godin as a pure defender, but as long as he functions well in Van Gaal's overall scheme, that's more than enough. Though somehow, people are having a hard time processing that simple thought. Is Ramos the final solution for our defensive problems ? Not at all. In Van Gaal's grand scheme of things, could he be a major part of the final solution ? Absolutely yes.

Also, the oft-repeated 'annoying' bit is based on a very specific set of personal preferences, and should't really be a great reason for not signing Ramos. Was Henry a pompous, annoying arse ? Yes. Was Pires annoying at Arsenal ? Yes. Was Costa annoying at Atletico ? Yes. But given the chance, should/ would United have signed them ? Absolutely, because at the end of the day transfer decisions should be made on more objective, performance related factors (unless Ramos has a record of going full Suarez, which he doesn't). If Ramos is available, he might be the best central defender we could sign (under Louis strict criteria which prioritizes comfort in possession). And that's including someone who is arguably the better pure defender in Otamendi (on the basis of one season in a major league mind, not the not conclusive sample size).
Great post! I have tried before to argue before the point about modern defenders and how they are not asked to simply defend but contribute to the collective defending and attacking that modern teams use nowadays and I think you have put it very eloquently. Cheers!
 
Am I the only one who finds him rather overrated? He makes far too many mistakes
Totally overrated.. Like only 1 World Cup, 2 European Cups, 1 Champions League, only 3 La Liga's and 2 Copa Del Rey's... waste of space, you're completely right. This bloke wouldn't even lace the boots of half the West Brom team. Why would United want him...
 
Totally overrated.. Like only 1 World Cup, 2 European Cups, 1 Champions League, only 3 La Liga's and 2 Copa Del Rey's... waste of space, you're completely right. This bloke wouldn't even lace the boots of half the West Brom team. Why would United want him...
Yeah, but that's because he had ten great players around him or something.....
 
128 matches for Spain, the youngest guy ever to reach the century mark for that national team, having played around the same number of matches for Real Madrid as Rio for United.


Tell me those numbers are not as important as some random claims about being overrated. So Aragones, del Bosque, Ancelotti, and as hardcore a bus driver as a Portuguese man... all are knobheads?
 
Totally overrated.. Like only 1 World Cup, 2 European Cups, 1 Champions League, only 3 La Liga's and 2 Copa Del Rey's... waste of space, you're completely right. This bloke wouldn't even lace the boots of half the West Brom team. Why would United want him...

Alvaro Arbeola has a lot of those same accomplishments.
 
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He's probably not a bad player, but I have him, pepe, busquets and suarez on my list as the most despicable players around. Do not want, because of that.
I'd much rather have Otamendi, Laporte or even fecking Jones, Smalling and Rojo staying as our only alternatives before resolving to McNair (let's face it, Evans shouldn't even be considered a footballer anymore).
 
I never understand what people really want to imply by saying this kind of statement:confused: they are in the same team, of course they win stuff together

It implies that trophies can make even a shit player look good. (Bosingwa has won CL twice too)
 
It implies that trophies can make even a shit player look good. (Bosingwa has won CL twice too)
okay, but you can go deeper than that by seeing how much each individual contributed to those achievements, as I have pointed out in Ramos' case. He was a key member, that is recorded history

Off-topic but Arbeloa is not really some shit player that everyone just throws around conveniently
 
okay, but you can go deeper than that by seeing how much each individual contributed to those achievements, as I have pointed out in Ramos' case. He was a key member, that is recorded history

Off-topic but Arbeloa is not really some shit player that everyone just throws around conveniently

Yeah obviously but, what exactly are we arguing here? He is a good player and has won a lot of things in his career I do not think anyone is disputing those two things. I am the most negative one here yet I will concede those two points. But, that does not mean we should go for. For all he has accomplished I do not think he is the answer to all our problems at CB and I do not think he is a good long term investment when you consider his age and playing style.
 
okay, but you can go deeper than that by seeing how much each individual contributed to those achievements, as I have pointed out in Ramos' case. He was a key member, that is recorded history

Off-topic but Arbeloa is not really some shit player that everyone just throws around conveniently

He really is mediocre and not Spain and Madrid quality. Should have stayed at Pool. Would have fitted with the mediocrity for all these years.
 
Yeah, but that's because he had ten great players around him or something.....

Yeah, but he has also won La Liga best defender 3 times, UEFA team of year 4 times, FIFA world XI 5 times, and 128 caps for Spain, mostly during their all conquering era. There are very few defenders who could match his individual accomplishment too.
 
he is the answer to all our problems at CB and I do not think he is a good long term investment when you consider his age and playing style
well I think for our CBs we have currently enough guys who can play as stoppers, warriors like that. What we need is really a ball-playing guy, because depending on Carrick or some other holding midfield guy to start the ball alone is like putting all eggs in one basket.
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Also, we currently have no leaders in the back-line, so I think it's vital to have an experienced head who can lead and immediately be the spine of a title-competitive one. After two or three years he can go to get a payday in Al Arab something or NYCFC/LA, then I expect the current younger guys at United have gathered enough experience to be the new core. We have enough long-term potential, we need someone with proven quality and class to help those guys
 
I just read some information in Marca´s today, explaining more about yesterday meeting and luckily I don´t feel so worried. According to Marca the club and Ramos agreed some kind of truce.Sergio did not ask for a transfer. He asked the club to stop the attacks in the press and Jose Ángel Sánchez demanded no more leaks about his anger. Sergio is worried that the public opinion thinks that he is not madridista. According to the article, clearly sweetened("Ramos wants to stay""The president will talk with Ramos since they were so close...") they will continue talking in some days. In the other hand they write that Otamendi has stopped all the conversations with english clubs until there are news about Ramos future.
 
I just read some information in Marca´s today, explaining more about yesterday meeting and luckily I don´t feel so worried. According to Marca the club and Ramos agreed some kind of truce.Sergio did not ask for a transfer. He asked the club to stop the attacks in the press and Jose Ángel Sánchez demanded no more leaks about his anger. Sergio is worried that the public opinion thinks that he is not madridista. According to the article, clearly sweetened("Ramos wants to stay""The president will talk with Ramos since they were so close...") they will continue talking in some days. In the other hand they write that Otamendi has stopped all the conversations with english clubs until there are news about Ramos future.
so Sid Lowe was talking crap
 
so Sid Lowe was talking crap
Sid Lowe is great, I don´t think that he talks crap. The article is clearly done to lower the climate of tension.It could have been signed for Florentino. Until Ramos talk face to face with the president is all speculation.
 
Could someone explain to me why Sergio Ramos would want to leave Madrid to Join a struggling United? Maybe he really wants to make a name in Premier league football?
 
He would be one of those players i would like to play for us, but never fully accept as a Manchester United player. Hes up there with Busquets and Pepe for biggest cheats in the game, and he is full of stupid errors that often go unpunished in La Liga.

That said, he looks a perfect LVG signing. Strong and aggressive, brilliant on the ball and got the temperament to handle pressure. Hes about as close to a Frank De Boer or a Danny Blind as we are going to find in modern football.
 
I'm happy whatever the outcome is, we clearly showed that we too can rock Madrid's boat, and that's good enough of a statement to me

We are not rocking any boat; seems like a dispute between Ramos and Madrid regarding a big fat new contract. The story is that Ramos doesn't feel appreciated as he isn't getting paid enough and because Madrid haven't opened a contract negotiation with 2 years left on his contract.

Us, we are either getting played or will end up massively overpaying for a 29 year old. This is not us pricing away a prime Ronaldo or De Gea.
 
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Smalling is better than Ramos? Again?

If Smalling is better than Ramos, who is the indisputable starter for both RM and Spain for the past decade, does that mean Smalling could walk into Real Madrid and Spain's team and instantly be their best defender?

This place is hilarious at times :lol::lol::lol:
 
Anyone know what Graham Hunter is saying about the entire thing?

The comforting thing is that Sid Lowe is behind the series of articles (Unlike Lowe to back up something so strongly till he is pretty sure about it). Ballbags, of course, has striked off the story; but the problem with him is that he is shite too often. Intrigued to know what Hunter has to say.
 
Anyone know what Graham Hunter is saying about the entire thing?

The comforting thing is that Sid Lowe is behind the series of articles (Unlike Lowe to back up something so strongly till he is pretty sure about it). Ballbags, of course, has striked off the story; but the problem with him is that he is shite too often. Intrigued to know what Hunter has to say.
Can't embed anything from twitter as I'm on my iPad, but here's a link: https://mobile.twitter.com/BumperGraham/status/613828275874435072
 
He will be a brilliant signing for 2/3 years. But all this seem a bit fishy to me. And we will probably be over paying somewhat by the looks of things if at all.
 
Smalling is better than Ramos? Again?

If Smalling is better than Ramos, who is the indisputable starter for both RM and Spain for the past decade, does that mean Smalling could walk into Real Madrid and Spain's team and instantly be their best defender?

This place is hilarious at times :lol::lol::lol:

Some are scared that Smalling "magnificent in the second part of season" and the new Duncan Edwards will both end up warming the bench next season just as when United actually had two world class CBs in the team
 
Thanks mate. So thats all he got.

How do you see all of this as a Barca supporter?
Monday I was certain he'd stay at Madrid and get a new contract. Now, I'm not as certain that he'll still be there. Percentage wise I'll give it 60-40 that he'll stay at Madrid.
 
Monday I was certain he'd stay at Madrid and get a new contract. Now, I'm not as certain that he'll still be there. Percentage wise I'll give it 60-40 that he'll stay at Madrid.
How highly do you rate Ramos? And could you also compare him to otamendi in terms of their defensive ability?
 
We are not rocking any boat; seems like a dispute between Ramos and Madrid regarding a big fat new contract. The story is that Ramos doesn't feel appreciated as he isn't getting paid enough and because Madrid haven't opened a contract negotiation with 2 years left on his contract.

Us, we are either getting played or will end up massively overpaying for a 29 year old. This is not us pricing away a prime Ronaldo or De Gea.

Maybe, but even if it's not because of us, the timing makes it looks like we're the one who rocked their boat. Although Ramos could still signs a new contract and come out with "I never wanted to move away etc", but at least it wasn't like the Fabregas saga which really makes us looks like amateur
 
Some are scared that Smalling "magnificent in the second part of season" and the new Duncan Edwards will both end up warming the bench next season just as when United actually had two world class CBs in the team

:confused: In another thread you just said that we shouldn't sign players ages 29-31 looking for a last pay day.

Make up your mind, man.

Maybe, but even if it's not because of us, the timing makes it looks like we're the one who rocked their boat. Although Ramos could still signs a new contract and come out with "I never wanted to move away etc", but at least it wasn't like the Fabregas saga which really makes us looks like amateur

I don't see it that way. It's more the agent/Ramos drumming up interest to get a better contract - at Madrid or with us.
 
How highly do you rate Ramos? And could you also compare him to otamendi in terms of their defensive ability?
I can see why van Gaal would like Ramos. Good ball playing defender, but dare I say it he'll be surprised by trips to Stoke and Leicester etc. I do feel his goalscoring exploits cloud peoples judgement of him. I'm still of the belief that a defenders first job is to defend, and the goals they can score should be regarded as a bonus. Haven't seen enough of Otamedendi, so it's probably best for those who have seen more of him to really pass comment on him.
 
:confused: In another thread you just said that we shouldn't sign players ages 29-31 looking for a last pay day.

Make up your mind, man.
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What does this post got to do with what I said? Just because I have my concerns about getting Bastian and Ramos that doesn't mean that Id rather stick to Smalling and Jones. There are other players around. Coleman/Darmian, Otamendi and Stones would be great additions in defense. Schneiderlin in midfield. We owe Jones and Smalling nothing
 
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