I'd love to see a reasonable and logical argument to that.
American Cops Doing What They Do Best
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Really? All these videos people find and put up...and no one is talking about this? Yeah, it happened in Canada, but the officer is still out of control.
Looks like they doctored all the videos too! Uh oh.
http://www.leoaffairs.com/featured/...e-activist-sandra-blands-cell-before-suicide/
They make dinosaurs today, this is piece of cake.
Her offence was not respecting the bully-boy enough. Cops are all about the power-trip and authority these days. It's what happens when they become untouchable because of crap internal investigations and the culture of silence. Shine a light and the cockroaches will scatter.
But why shoot him ten times, if thats true? Surely once or twice is more than enough.
@Skizzo what is the justification for that Texas cop to demand she put out her smoke and get out of her car? I thought routine traffic stops were just a ticket or a warning and that you can't actually legally arrest someone for those offences.
That's where the whole thing falls apart. People shouldn't be focusing on anything suspicious happening in her cell for two reasons. I honestly don't believe anything sinister happened there that wasn't self inflicted. Secondly, because based on the stop, she shouldn't have been arrested. Yes she kicked out and resisted, but only after he demanded she stopped smoking and gets out. I didn't see any justification for him to demand that.
I thought so. Once you've made an illegal arrest then you're on the hook for anything that happens after that.
Because you don't shoot once or twice because you have no idea what shots will hit, or stop the threat. What if he's pulling a gun, you shoot twice and hit him in the body and he's wearing armor? Or in the left arm but he's pulling up that gun with the right? You shoot until there's no more threat.
It just happens to unfortunately look like overkill on video.
What about the Stockton Police and their over 600 shots during that bank robbery hostage thing a while back?
Was she arrested for the traffic violations or something else?
Especially if she's depressed etc. I think once they start focusing more on the original stop, he'll be in trouble. I honestly don't believe anyone else did anything to her in the cell...but she was (based on what I've seen so far) put there unjustly.
So basically shoot until the person is either dead or close to dying? Ten shots from close range, if those shots arent hitting then they really dont deserve to be cops.
If you elect to use deadly force then it's serious enough to make sure they are dead.
She was stopped for a traffic violation. While talking to the cop he told her to put out her cigarette. She told him she was t doing my more than giving her name. He told her to get out of the car. She refused. He grabbed her, threatened with a taser. Tossed her around on the grass. I believe his official arrest was for assaulting a public servant.
Sometimes it is excessive, don't get me wrong.
That changing lanes without signalling is such a bullshit charge too. The road was probably clear and he was just looking for something to do.
Doesn't it seem even a little suspicious to you that she hung in there (no pun intended) the entire weekend, had her breakfast at 7am on the day she was supposed to be released, but decided to kill herself just as she's about to be let go?
Have you shot a gun? I don't mean that condescendingly, just curious, because when your adrenaline is pumping like it would have been then, and you start shooting to (what you think) is eliminating a deadly threat....you can fire off 10 shots in a couple of seconds. There's also a natural delay in response after your brain tells you to stop shooting, and when you actually physically can.
I think she killed herself. I don't believe she was murdered because that would be really difficult to cover up. Skizzo can probably confirm that there are lots of people involved in the jail situation and you can't just walk in and murder somebody.
This is fair. So long as you aren't missing wildly, it's fine to miss a few. Even doing training with blanks can be heart-pumping and you can make silly mistakes.
A couple of times but never in a situation like that so wont pretend to know whats going through their minds.
I would expect that response from a layman or someone like me in that situation, not cops who are meant to be professionally trained. If they cant control their adrenaline rush, then they shouldnt be allowed to have guns anymore than a normal person would be in a sane country.
She said he was following g her for a while too, I think.
Honestly, I wouldn't even start to try and understand what kind of mental place she was in. We are coming from different perspectives too, which I think may skew us slightly. as of what I've seen and heard so far, I think she took her own life. I hope I'm not proven wrong, but I'm usually a pretty fair judge of events I think.
Yep, sounds like he was just looking for an excuse. What a cnut.
Shame about the Hayward officer today.
It's not a thing of not being able to control the adrenaline and just shooting over and over and over. There's an actual delay between your brain telling you to stop, and you doing it.
I've never been in a situation like that, and I hope I never am. You make a split second decision to either end a life or possibly lose yours. Either way, you come out of it a different person.
Doesn't that make you wonder how those cops who killed Tamir Rice can live with themselves? Even shooting a kid who was waving a real gun would be disturbing.
Definitely. No such thing as a "routine" traffic stop.
Yeah, it is easy to forget that.
Yeah I can't imagine feeling the burden of taking a life who was threatening mine, let alone a child, even more so a child that wasn't an actual threat.
I can't imagine anyone is sleeping well from that situation. Or at least they shouldn't be.
Well if for discussion sake we assume she actually did kill herself then all logic goes out the window. Not that people who suffer from depression are out of control but It makes it difficult to make sense out of her actions.
robot cops are the answer
I'm interested to hear what you think of this guy and the things he says in this interview. If any of it (even 10%) is even remotely true, then the US is in a much worse state that I thought it was.
@Lizzi remind me again tomorrow. Have my daughter right now and will be heading out for my game later.
Want to carry on this discussion though
Want to carry on this discussion though
Did I hear right she was hanged or hanged herself with a trash bag?
Maybe this is on here already but it's the first time I've seen it.
(Haven't been able to watch this sound on as I left my headphones, so my views are on video only.)
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Am I seeing things or does one of the cops pull out a gun from his pocket around 30 seconds? And only puts it away when he realises he's being filmed.