We took a punt at bluffing hoping madrid would cough up. The gamble failed and we are now in the shit. Buying gks of poor standard doesnt help. Hope romero proves himself.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Maybe we want to keep him for one last season because Real Madrid are offering basically nothing? And if so, we can't sign another keeper as we can't have Lloris or Leno sitting on the bench, and they wouldn't come if that was the case. Maybe we have a pre agreement with someone if De Gea leaves. But that's still an if.
What?
Put DDG on the bench unless he signs, which is highly unlikely as he would have done back in May.
If we signed Lloris or Leno, it would be DDG sitting on the bench. We'd have planned without him as we all know he's not signing a new contract.
Well that's assuming there is a significant loyalty bonus, given he's on his first contract here and came with plenty to prove I'd be surprised if there was a substantial loyalty fee if any that would really impact us. I'd say we'd rather he stay quiet and rather keep him then sell him at a price that we don't think represents value and are banking that if he stays after the window closes he'll be focussed for the remainder of the season.
You all laughed on Tuesday:
This is nothing alike...
LVG didn't want to sign Neuer but wanted to stick with Kraft.. De Gea doesn't want to stick with us.
So what?
Say he told us in June he wanted to go, he fans wouldn't be happy that he wanted to go, but at least we would all be in a better position than we're in now. He'd be gone, we'd have a replacement and it would be happy days.
But he doesn't want to lose his loyalty bonus and Madrid have to pay as little as possible, so we're all in this mess we find ourselves in now.
Thank god a few on here are able talk sense!
How so many of you guys can be saying LVG and Woodward shouldbe sacked for the handling of this DDG affair is beyond me!
The management have done all they could to get this straightened out, to seriously think otherwise is boarderline insanity
DDG needs to 'man up', he is the one who is putting both himself and all around him in this position, nobody else.
If it were Rooney he'd get slaughtered on here! Odd that disloyal Dave has so many cheerleaders coming out to defend him.
Why shouldn't he be to blame when this whole situation is of his design? The only official communication his refusal to sign a new contract says is that he'd like to move move when it expires, period. Everything else is just pure conjecture until he puts in a transfer request but he won't because he is still a greedy cnut who despite wanting to go still wants that loyalty bonus! He's put us in his this position and it's understandable that he wants to go but until he issues a transfer request and his suitor pay up he is still our player and should put himself in the frame of mind to meet his end of the bargain.
As for LVG, he obviously trusts Romero despite our misgivings on the player and it fall on his head if that decision backfires so he isw within his rights to make that decision.
Should have forced the issue you either want to stay or go, if he wanted to go back then sell him and made the most out of a bad situation and try to get someone in and not leave it in the mess we are now.
Buy you're assuming that we think he's just mulling things over and not taking our own stance. As I said I'm pretty confident we know he wants to go but we're only gonna let him go on our terms. So what's there for him to say and if he did say anything it just makes our position worse. If he says he wants to go then our stance with Real becomes tougher. If he stays quiet then there's less chance the fans at OT will get on his back so that if he does stay we look to get one more season out of him it's worth turning down the money Real are offering.
Let's be honest, SAF would probably never play him either and likely never again if DDG claimed he was too distracted to play or some pathetic excuse.
That's a very good point. Dont expect to be picked out though.
Yes but what if he we didn't end up selling him? Then we'd have De Gea and Leno/Lloris sitting on the bench for the season. Not going to happen. Maybe we want to force another year out of him? I certainly would. Nothing about him staying past this season or signing a new contract. Just seeing his current one out.
If it is true that his head isnt right, it isnt because he doesnt want to be here IMO, its because of the uncertainty. Uncertainty is a killer.
Once the deadline for the transfer passes, assuming he is still here, De Gea will regain his focus and he should have a great season for us.
Once the deadline for the transfer passes, assuming he is still here, De Gea will regain his focus and he should have a great season for us.
I have a feeling De Gea told them this from the beginning of the window but they chose to ignore it because Ramos couldn't be negotiated as part of the deal. In any case we should have either signed Cech, or went for someone really good as a replacement. It's too late now to get a top keeper I think.
Be 24
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Know you can go back home next year
Earn more money than most people can ever dream of
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Sensible decision to leave him out, there's no point risking a Goalkeeper if you suspect in the back of his head he's thinking about not getting injured. A moments hesitation can be very costly in that position.
Chelsea had two world class gks sitting on the bench.
Like I said we should have replaced him once he refused to sign a new contract. Sit him on the bench and he can regret his decision. Or do you want to be stuck with this situation? His focus is not there and we replace him with our second choice Romero. At least with Lloris or Leno, we'd have a world class GK and nobody would give two fecks what is going on with DDG.
Now we have to do last minute shopping and Levy will be loving it.
DDG was always moving on. We should have acted quickly and signed his replacement. I wouldn't care if he is sitting on the bench then. I care now because the keepers at the club are not better than him half focused.
You're saying we should have sold him for whatever price Madrid offer?
I said it, and I was alone. Just this week a poster ridiculed my position.
I'm saying we should have signed a world class gk the moment he refused to sign a contract.
Then tell Madrid that they give us a decent fee or he can sit on the bench. And I am sure Mendes and DDG would not want him sitting on the bench and will force Madrid to pay up.
First sign a keeper then sell your nr. 1 and hope you'll get a decent fee. Hm..
Nah, having both of them would have been stupid. At that point we'd be as well off selling De Gea for whatever Madrid offer as otherwise we would neither use him nor get any money for him. Essentially, caving to Madrid would do us more good than what you've suggested.
Wonder what that poster thinks now.
Refuse to sell your best player, and then refuse to play him either.
Genius stuff from Woodward and Van Gaal yet again
Genius stuff from Woodward and Van Gaal yet again
Well do you prefer us starting the season with our number 3? Then selling our number 1 and clubs knowing we desperate, so we end up overpaying. Hmm indeed.
Probably that the club acted naively and should have sold him. One of the argument for keeping De Gea was that he was a great professional and that he would be totally focused no matter what, now they see.
Well to be fair they dont share a brain. They have different prerogatives. Its true that what Van Gaal is doing (if he does it that is) undermines Woodward's position, it is pointless keeping him if we dont play him. I disagree with @Bojan11 on that one. But I support Woodward's stance, and understand Van Gaal's - he cant play a player if his head isnt right. My only hope is that this situation wont persist for long, once the possibility of him leaving is removed it should be easier for him to focus on his football. He is a professional and even setting that aside, he has plenty to play for.
Leno isn't much better than Romero.
Signing an another keeper would have mean that we would need to sell then De Gea at our costs (or keep him in bench but that would have been a bit expensive). Very likely De Gea will be our No.1 once he realizes that he'll be here for the rest of the season. He'll miss 2-3 games or so but that's it.
If they don't play him they will sell him, even for as little as 15m.
In your scenario we would have gotten peanuts for DDG and then fans would again be mad.
Agreed, what we needed imo was a solid keeper to come in, in case of this situation. Maybe the plan was Valdes but once he and LVG fell out we should have gotten a good GK in. That way we could have played hardball like we have. If we keep DDG for the season then hopefully he knuckles down to ensure he's first choice at the Euro's and our gamble pays off in that what he gives to us over the season is worth more than what Real are offering, or worst case he's not on form but we've got a solid keeper to bring in whilst we have the whole season to scout a long term replacement.
This is a big blow. Johnstone isn't ready, neither is Romero.
I can't understand this decision. Totally shocked about this i have to admit.
I can't understand this decision. Totally shocked about this i have to admit.
Van Gaal falling out with Valdes has basically fecked us. Ridiclous management.
How is it stupid?
DDG is going. It's quite clear since May when Van Gaal said it was difficult to keep him that he was off. We keep him on the bench for the season or sell him. It doesn't matter as we would have a new goalkeeper regardless.
The situation we in now is stupid. Van Gaal knew Valdes was off in May. Signs Romero in July and doesn't give him a game in pre season. Baffling that was too. Why sign him so late, if he knew Valdes was going in May.
Yes it worked with Bale perfectly you know.
Refuse to let player go for insulting fee, then player throws a tantrum at not getting move.
Yep, LVG and Woodward really fecked us up this time, there was Soooo much they could do about it.
Get a grip.
Its just one game. DDG is not focused, maybe he'll be by next week. We dont know whats happening. I wouldnt be surprised if we kept him for another year. Once the season starts he'll grind his teeth and play his best.
Until he isnt sold I dont get this hysteria.
Until he isnt sold I dont get this hysteria.
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