De Gea Contract Situation

[Mr Anderson]

I don't know, I find it hard to believe that he's not in the right frame of mind to play. He's been a professional throughout this ordeal, keeping his mouth shut and doing what has been asked of him. We've seen countless examples of want away players who have no problem telling the world they want to leave. We didn't have that with De Gea. Real Madrid will have been in contact with his representatives and he'll know that he will be a Real Madrid player the question is only when. Personally I think Real prefer to wait until next summer and get him for free. When Real Madrid want you, it's a full court press and everyone associated with the club will be speaking your name and that hasn't happened.

He made some uncharacteristic mistakes against PSG, but he looked perfectly fine against Barcelona. Goalkeepers make mistakes. Schmeichel made quite a few and Van der Sar had that one against West Brom.

Doesn't matter how professional you are, some things weigh you down. He wouldn't slump deliberately, it can happen to anyone in any part of life. A slump or delay is amplified when you are in sure a starting position as a goalkeeper. The "right frame of mind" is just too open and general, makes him sound half arsed which we know he isn't.

He didn't impress Louis against PSG or in training it sounds like, after a very good start to the pre season. No smoke without fire.

 

[slir32]

Does anyone hate him more than AdM? We helped him iron all mistakes and he does not even sign a contract like Ronaldo/Bale/Suarez so we get a load of cash.

I respect him for keeping his mouth shut and not creating a fuss about the situation but the club (and himself of course) turned him into a world class player so I am not happy with him at all. Ethically he should leave and give the club a world record fee but his contract has 1 year left and that's all he needs to give us.

 

[NinjaZombie]

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/15/germ...se-inonfirms-rene-adler-has-buy-out-clause-in

I preferred him to De Gea 4 years ago for a reason. What's happening now is that reason.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

People have a lot of issues with LVG but I think throughout this DDG issue he has shown an incredible amount of dignity & class. He has always tried to be supportive to DDG by talking about the human angle and in the end he has no reason to drop DDG unless he is certain that he is not in the right frame of mind

 

[Dreaded]

I don't know, I find it hard to believe that he's not in the right frame of mind to play. He's been a professional throughout this ordeal, keeping his mouth shut and doing what has been asked of him. We've seen countless examples of want away players who have no problem telling the world they want to leave. We didn't have that with De Gea. Real Madrid will have been in contact with his representatives and he'll know that he will be a Real Madrid player the question is only when. Personally I think Real prefer to wait until next summer and get him for free. When Real Madrid want you, it's a full court press and everyone associated with the club will be speaking your name and that hasn't happened.

He made some uncharacteristic mistakes against PSG, but he looked perfectly fine against Barcelona. Goalkeepers make mistakes. Schmeichel made quite a few and Van der Sar had that one against West Brom.

But you have no idea what is happening behind the scenes.

He may not have said anything in public doesn't mean he is acting professionally.

 

[AbusementPark]

Has DDG twitter page changed? Doesn't seem to mention much under his name, the norm seems to be with club and sponsor listed below their name but with DDG their is nothing. It still has the banner photo of him in a United top but is this an inkling as to an imminent transfer?

 

[Billy Blaggs]

The season starts tomorrow. I think he's staying

 

[ottosec]

Has DDG twitter page changed? Doesn't seem to mention much under his name, the norm seems to be with club and sponsor listed below their name but with DDG their is nothing. It still has the banner photo of him in a United top but is this an inkling as to an imminent transfer?

It was always like that.

 

[Marcus]

I think it is not so much the mentality of wanting to stop shots which is the problem. The 2 goals he conceded against PSG seemed partly due to him wanting to avoid injury before his move. That would be a problem for us going into the new season.

 

[Man of Leisure]

Does anyone hate him more than AdM? We helped him iron all mistakes and he does not even sign a contract like Ronaldo/Bale/Suarez so we get a load of cash.

His job isn't to make sure that United gets a load of cash. Also, didn't we benefit the last couple years from his improvement in cutting down errors since his initial season? Why hate our POTY last season who's probably the single biggest reason we're back in the CL? Disappointed for sure where things currently stand, but hate? Incredibly bitter comments.

 

[DiceRoller]

“Manchester United always have to pay,” Van Gaal said. “We have to pay for all the players a certain amount, and what have Real Madrid offered? We are asking money and they have to pay the money. In the last few years Manchester United has paid a lot of money and we never received a lot of money for our players.” http://www.theguardian.com/football...david-de-gea-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal

Can't argue with that.

I can't argue with it and he's right but makes us look like petulant spoiled children who don't get what they want.

It's embarrassing coming out with this stuff. You think one of the most ruthless, bent clubs going in football aren't licking their lips over this? They're laughing their heads off over in Madrid.

We've led ourselves into a corner with DDG and Madrid know it.

All they need to do is wait a little longer and we'll have no choice but to sell him.

They'll get him for cheap, Ramos will get offered a new contract and we'll have been well and truly schooled in the art of ruthless football business.

 

[duffer]

Offer him to Atletico in a swap for Oblak if he wants to move back to Madrid. He's a fan of theirs isn't he?

 

[Bestie07]

Offer him to Atletico in a swap for Oblak if he wants to move back to Madrid. He's a fan of theirs isn't he?

It's not as much about moving to Madrid as it is about moving to Real Madrid in my opinion. He had no issues in leaving Atletico to us four seasons ago when he considered us as a step up, and now he is considering making another step up.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I can't argue with it and he's right but makes us look like petulant spoiled children who don't get what they want.

It's embarrassing coming out with this stuff. You think one of the most ruthless, bent clubs going in football aren't licking their lips over this? They're laughing their heads off over in Madrid.

We've led ourselves into a corner with DDG and Madrid know it.

All they need to do is wait a little longer and we'll have no choice but to sell him.

They'll get him for cheap, Ramos will get offered a new contract and we'll have been well and truly schooled in the art of ruthless football business.

Petulant? Spoiled? Embarrassing? Absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion based on those quotes.

We're over a barrel alright but all that those comments are doing is sending a message to Madrid to make a better offer or wait another year to get the player. Which is the best we can hope for and entirely reasonable on our part.

 

[Striker10]

Doesn't matter how professional you are, some things weigh you down. He wouldn't slump deliberately, it can happen to anyone in any part of life. A slump or delay is amplified when you are in sure a starting position as a goalkeeper. The "right frame of mind" is just too open and general, makes him sound half arsed which we know he isn't.

He didn't impress Louis against PSG or in training it sounds like, after a very good start to the pre season. No smoke without fire.

If he's 'slumping' he's being unprofessional and some people need a reality check. I don't think he is distracted or unhappy. I think he's doing it on purpose, he's probably been directed to do it and for that if it were me, he would be lucky to get a game for the reserves this season. The PSG game can happen to anyone. If this is to do with training/behind the scenes he needs to grow up. Some people deserve sympathy and some don't. And I'm not buying his gfs last tweet either. She maybe a beauty but that's it.

 

[ottosec]

The way I see it:

Madrid can't lose, they either buy him now for peanuts or they get him next year for free.

We can't win, no matter what we do we will lose arguably the best GK in the world.

The player can only win by going to Madrid now. If he stays he will probably be the biggest loser out of this mess, the days he got unconditional support are gone, I think he will get slaughtered after every little mistake. He needs a good season to win his place in teh Euros.

 

[Rich_H_1989]

Once again Real win! They make their interest in a player clear and then it's just a matter of time until they get their man.

I guess deep down how can we blame a lot of these players? I mean the city, lifestyle, weather and prestige of the Real shirt.

That's not knocking our great club at all but I'm sure most people can understand this? The lad is Spanish and from Madrid so that adds to it.

From what we know he's not asked to be left out so it's LVG that thinks he's not in the right frame of mind.

 

[Jerch]

Listening embargoed part of the Press Conference i thing LVG is right at benching De Gea.

I don't think Real will offer what we want so he will stay for a season. And a season is a long time in football, you never know what will happen. I still can see him signing a contract if he is not sold this season because;
1. he will see that Real don't want him as much as he thinks as they didn't offer any serious money for him
2. he can be benched for the rest of the season if he don't sign a contract - in that case he can lost a spot in the Spain team and misses the Euro's
3. Casilla and Navas have a good season and Real will lost interest as they will not be prepared to offer him a big contract which he will ask for as they have two good goalkeepers on low wages - regardless how they often throw money around in the transfer market they are very strict with the wages

And people are fogeting one think. We may lost a transfer fee if we play a hardball and don't sell him but we will safe big on his wages if he goes 2 seasons for us on low wages instead of high wages which we are prepared to offer him.

 

[clarkydaz]

if he is still here 2nd September watch is 'focus' suddenly return

 

[Rich_H_1989]

At the end of the day the club now has to stand firm.

They've told Real to up their offer or forget it. OK the situation isn't helped by DDG not being mentally ready to play for us at the moment but we have to stand up to them.

So far nothing DDG has done has been unprofessional. He's trained with the club, he's played in pre season and as far as we know he's getting on with it. I'm sure if we don't sell he will sort his head and get on with the season.

That gives the club a season to try to maybe change his mind. As a previous poster said, tell him that Real can't want you that much if they weren't willing to pay the asking price. Tell him that as one of the top keepers in the world he is worth big money but Real don't see it that way. Plus they went out and bought a new GK.

It's a long shot yes but I think worth it.

 

[Jev]

I can't argue with it and he's right but makes us look like petulant spoiled children who don't get what they want.

It's embarrassing coming out with this stuff. You think one of the most ruthless, bent clubs going in football aren't licking their lips over this? They're laughing their heads off over in Madrid.

We've led ourselves into a corner with DDG and Madrid know it.

All they need to do is wait a little longer and we'll have no choice but to sell him.

They'll get him for cheap, Ramos will get offered a new contract and we'll have been well and truly schooled in the art of ruthless football business.

What would you have us do instead?

 

[Cantona07]

Just a question guys. If De Gea is registered for the Champions league qualifiers with United and plays, does that make him ineligible to register with Real for the CL should they sign him this transfer window?

 

[royboy16]

Does anyone hate him more than AdM? We helped him iron all mistakes and he does not even sign a contract like Ronaldo/Bale/Suarez so we get a load of cash.

I think his agent and Madrid have advised him not to do that.

 

[thegregster]

Why are Real Madrid spending so little this summer? So far its only €55.9mil. You would think after Barca won another treble they would go into their usual reactionary mode of buying galactico and putting up the money for De Gea would be no problem.

 

[hurricane thunderclap]

What would you have us do instead?

Had the lad extend his contract earlier , he is of obvious quality and we should protect that with contracts ( they don't mean shit of course , unless you want /need a barganing tool), offered a fee for Ramos and if they said no, then do nothing , Madrid play the same game every year with everybody. To think they can dick us around every year I find it frustrating.

When the boo boys start on Bale and he thinks 'feck this ' he will be on the bench and we will get turned over for 120mil instead of the 60mil we should be paying , or Psg decide to carry on dodging the french tax system and pay him a ridiculous weekly wage.

We really need to be more savvy in our dealings.

 

[Smores]

Why the hell we've allowed this to be dragged out is beyond me.

We should have set a deadline of last week, pay X or we keep him for another season. We seem to have done the former but not the latter and now he can't play til the close of the window. Why? Because we do want to sell him rather than get nothing and Real Madrid know it so are in no rush.

 

[wiz4231]

If RM don't offer serious money for him by the end of the transfer window he should extend his contract by a year so he doesn't leave for free, he owes that much to us

 

[The Black Pearl]

If RM don't offer serious money for him by the end of the transfer window he should extend his contract by a year so he doesn't leave for free, he owes that much to us

By extending his contract would he not be costing his beloved Real Madrid money they need not spend at all? He hasn't a notion of signing a new contract. Personally I'd tell him to go feck himself and feck him out on his ear now. Be done with him and move on.

 

[Lewis.no.9]

Once again Real win! They make their interest in a player clear and then it's just a matter of time until they get their man.

I guess deep down how can we blame a lot of these players? I mean the city, lifestyle, weather and prestige of the Real shirt.

That's not knocking our great club at all but I'm sure most people can understand this? The lad is Spanish and from Madrid so that adds to it.

From what we know he's not asked to be left out so it's LVG that thinks he's not in the right frame of mind.

thats why we should make sure we sign more players who wont run to madrid. De Gea i guess is an exception because being an Athletico boy many presumed he wouldnt eventually join their local rivals and ruin his history with them and their fans etc.

mind you in hindsight, how do you ensure that ?

 

[2 man midfield]

He'd better retain his focus pretty fecking quickly if he's still here come September 2nd. Does he really want to be on the bench the year leading up to the Euros? Van Gaal's quotes put the onus on him.

 

[hurricane thunderclap]

He'd better retain his focus pretty fecking quickly if he's still here come September 2nd. Does he really want to be on the bench the year leading up to the Euros? Van Gaal's quotes put the onus on him.

Strange thing to announce really , strengthens Madrids resolve that they can get a deal on even better terms. I would have announced he was injured , benching him would make him want to leave personally , and indicates that we may be resigned to letting him go. The hardball attitude would have been better used during extending his contract at the start of the managers tenure.

 

[DiceRoller]

Petulant? Spoiled? Embarrassing? Absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion based on those quotes.

Petulant - childishly, sulky or bad-tempered.
You don't think it's childish for the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world to sit there complaining that we always have to pay loads and nobody else will pay us loads? Honestly, I was baffled when I saw that comment by LVG. It just makes us look childish to be honest. If you want to get more money for your players, go about your business in a manner that secures more money for your players. Don't come out and say it, complain to the media, draw attention to the fact.
I'll lump the spoiled in with that as it's pretty much the same.

As for the embarrassing? Sorry, but I think it is embarrassing. We're a laughing stock over the Madrid/DDG issue. It's embarrassing that LVG has come out with these comments, embarrassing that on the day before the season starts we're pulling the goalkeeper, embarrassing that a club of the size of Manchester United is pulling their Player Of The Season because he's been unsettled by Real Madrid.

Sorry if you don't agree but the whole thing is a farce. And LVG is right, the price we sell players for is shocking.

Not that I rate him very highly, but you could guarantee if Spurs had Welbeck they'd have gotten a lot more than £15/£16m; as would a lot of clubs.

We've spent so much time saying publicly that we've got bucket loads of cash to spend what else do you expect to happen. Here's a quote from Ed: "There is no fixed budget. Financially we are extremely strong, we have funds available"

We need to start acting more ruthlessly, say less in the media and formulate a strategy that flags potential DDG issue before they happen.

 

[Amir]

Does anyone hate him more than AdM? We helped him iron all mistakes and he does not even sign a contract like Ronaldo/Bale/Suarez so we get a load of cash.

Ronaldo signed his last contract late in 2006/07. It was NOT to help us get more money.

 

[DiceRoller]

What would you have us do instead?

Not to don the Captain Hindsight outfit, but not let the contact run down to the point where we have to withdraw our best player the day before the season starts because his head is turned by Real Madrid. I'd expect this with John Stones and Everton/Chelsea, not the 2nd/3rd best goalkeeper in the world at arguably the biggest club in the world.

We should have a system in place where contracts are not allowed to get to this point, especially with players of this caliber.

If we're sitting down with a player and they are refusing to sign a contract then we offer them to other clubs while we can still get a decent amount for them. It stops us getting to this situation. I understand that people will say it's a way to lose good players but we have to make sure that we're binding players to contracts if only for the leverage it gives when it's time to sell them.

 

[Litch]

Not to don the Captain Hindsight outfit, but not let the contact run down to the point where we have to withdraw our best player the day before the season starts because his head is turned by Real Madrid. I'd expect this with John Stones and Everton/Chelsea, not the 2nd/3rd best goalkeeper in the world at arguably the biggest club in the world.

We should have a system in place where contracts are not allowed to get to this point, especially with players of this caliber.

If we're sitting down with a player and they are refusing to sign a contract then we offer them to other clubs while we can still get a decent amount for them. It stops us getting to this situation. I understand that people will say it's a way to lose good players but we have to make sure that we're binding players to contracts if only for the leverage it gives when it's time to sell them.

Without being too disrespective but I think the multi billion pound business has some understanding about contracts. It's not usual for players to change their mind. When you have one of the best goalkeepers in the world that's so young, you have to do your best to keep them. A lot can happen in a season so who knows. Real Madrid circus things can go lots of ways. They have players we'd like so there's some leverage there. My personally are fed up of the Barca/Real cherry picking what they want and this was not always the case. Yes they signed our players but when we were done with them....

 

[DiceRoller]

Without being too disrespective but I think the multi billion pound business has some understanding about contracts.

You would think that but seems not in this case.

Would it be difficult to sit players down with two years left on their contract and say, if the club are interested in extending, we'd like to extend your contract by another two years. We know how football works and we know that this will not keep you at the club if you're determined to leave next year for some reason, but it will safeguard us from situations where we get held to ransom and will ensure we get a realistic price for you.

If the players agrees then all good. If he does not we make it known that the player is available for transfer. I don't think it's overly complicated but I'm sure people will be happy to say it's an idealized, unrealistic version of how football works.

 

[Treble]

We are in a lose-lose situation. Madrid know that we are in a weak position and want to sign DDG on the cheap. We want to make a statement and do not want to buckle down. Therefore, we prefer to play hardball by refusing to sell DDG unless we get enough money or a good player in exchange. However, that strategy has significant weaknesses as well and we are begining to see them: the player isn't fit to play and wants out, there is no guarantee that he will have a good season if forced to stay, the reserve players are not close in quality, come January DDG may become unsettled again and may sign a pre-contract with Real, the whole situation may have negative consequences on team morale and on top of that we won't get any money for him and Madrid will get a world class player for free. In an ideal world he stays, has a great season and we are content for not selling him to Madrid in the summer. But how likely is this scenario?

 

[sun_tzu]

We are in a lose-lose situation. Madrid know that we are in a weak position and want to sign DDG on the cheap. We want to make a statement and do not want to buckle down. Therefore, we prefer to play hardball by refusing to sell DDG unless we get enough money or a good player in exchange. However, that strategy has significant weaknesses as well and we are begining to see them: the player isn't fit to play and wants out, there is no garantee that he will have a good season if forced to stay, the reserve players are not close in quality, come January DDG may become unsettled again and may sign a pre-contract with Real, the whole situation may have negative consequences on team morale and on top of that we won't get any money for him and Madrid will get a world class player for free. In an ideal world he stays, has a great season and we are content for not selling him to Madrid in the summer. But how likely is this scenario?

Basically take 20 million now (or whatever they are offering)
Or pay him five million odd quid to sit in the stand for a year and watch him sign a pre contract in January.

 

[Litch]

You would think that but seems not in this case.

Would it be difficult to sit players down with two years left on their contract and say, if the club are interested in extending, we'd like to extend your contract by another two years. We know how football works and we know that this will not keep you at the club if you're determined to leave next year for some reason, but it will safeguard us from situations where we get held to ransom and will ensure we get a realistic price for you.

If the players agrees then all good. If he does not we make it known that the player is available for transfer. I don't think it's overly complicated but I'm sure people will be happy to say it's an idealized, unrealistic version of how football works.

Idealised and unrealistic. Transfers are all about timing and players decisions change. You have to make the player feel like he's wanted despite the contract situation. The club must have remained hopeful like for example the Rooney situation that players can be convinced to stay. This might be the case for DDG. Also should they leave the contract to run down, it allows us to find his long term replacement.

 

[Jazz]

If he's 'slumping' he's being unprofessional and some people need a reality check. I don't think he is distracted or unhappy. I think he's doing it on purpose, he's probably been directed to do it and for that if it were me, he would be lucky to get a game for the reserves this season. The PSG game can happen to anyone. If this is to do with training/behind the scenes he needs to grow up. Some people deserve sympathy and some don't. And I'm not buying his gfs last tweet either. She maybe a beauty but that's it.

I've been wondering about this and I really hope it's not the case....would make him a bigger a-hole than ADM.