De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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It was incredibly stupid by LvG to make public comments about De Gea not wanting to play. What do you think the relationship between them is like now? De Gea is going to be here this season because Perez will never pay that kind of money on a goal keeper and most Madrid fans support his decision to wait to get him on a free which is more incentive for Perez to wait it out. Now we got issues between LvG and De Gea, so our rationale of "he's worth more to us for this season than what little Madrid will offer" is out the window because he put undue pressure on our goalkeeper when he just didn't have to.

I think De Gea was told by Madrid that they weren't going to meet our valuation and to wait it out and there will be a nice bonus waiting for him. Which means he'd have no reason to not play for us. I think LvG wants him gone and is making a spectacle of this to try and get the board to change their stance about principles and valuations and just sell him.
 
I really don't think a season of his services is worth the £18m or whatever that Real were said to consider a fair price, plus his wages, given the issues surrounding him. I'm not sure it's worth half of that. I hope we stop this 'standing up to Madrid' stuff and just sell. It feels like we're hurting ourselves in order to hurt another club because we're pissed off at the situation.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I really don't think a season of his services is worth the £18m or whatever that Real were said to consider a fair price, plus his wages, given the issues surrounding him. I'm not sure it's worth half of that. I hope we stop this 'standing up to Madrid' stuff and just sell. It feels like we're hurting ourselves in order to hurt another club because we're pissed off at the situation.
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Hurting Madrid is worthy, though. It isn't like they are going to stop here, they'll go after our next top player. Making them have a very hard time here, might save us time and money in the future.

Pretty sure that De Gea will also change his behavior if he realizes that the possibility of playing for the reserves in the next 10 months, and so missing euros is quite real.

I think that the two most possible scenarios are Madrid paying 33m+, or De Gea extending the contract with a low clause for next summer (circa 20m).
 
It's all very well playing hardball with Madrid. But van Gaal has shot himself in the foot with his public comments about Valdes and De Gea. He's not brutally honest about other transfers. Just trots out the same line about "having to wait and see" and "being an observer..... in the process".

Having said last week that he was concerned about De Gea's mind set, he didn't need to say anything else on the matter.

My fear now is that De Gea will get his Madrid move, we'll be bounced into paying over the odds for Cillesen only to have to break the bank next season to prise Lloris away from Tottenham.
 
Revan said:
Hurting Madrid is worthy, though. It isn't like they are going to stop here, they'll go after our next top player. Making them have a very hard time here, might save us time and money in the future.

Pretty sure that De Gea will also change his behavior if he realizes that the possibility of playing for the reserves in the next 10 months, and so missing euros is quite real.

I think that the two most possible scenarios are Madrid paying 33m+, or De Gea extending the contract with a low clause for next summer (circa 20m).
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To me this seems a specific scenario, rather than just Madrid going after our player. He does have more reason to want to move to them than most would, given the situation with his partner.

I'd be concerned if we threaten a season in the reserves unless he signs a contract, as that feels quite a bit more harsh than most top teams treat players and that's not a reputation we'd want to have.
 
I actually think he's handled this one very well. De Gea invited this situation for himself when he refused a contract and telegraphed his interest to Madrid over the past year knowing fully well what the pro-Real Spanish press would do if given the chance. The whole pressure they put on the club for a good month or so with reports of derisory bids was destabilizing to say the least.

Now De Gea and his agent find out how it feels to live in uncertainty over the season when the tables are turned on them. Van Gaal simply issued an ultimatum to his agent and Real to either make a satisfactory bid or risk the player being left in the cold. He's either totally committed to the cause or he isn't.

Real might still think they can prolong this and make us panic, so it depends on if we value our negotiating stance or a paltry sum which is lower than his true value. Knowing how the club has been used and abused by players and agents over the past couple of seasons, I'd rather lose the money and confirm our negotiating position as something serious and not worth fecking about.
 
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dsch said:
A man eating his nose is nothing to laugh at.
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I'm not laughing and neither is De Gea. He looks disgusted and traumatised, infact.

You've moved it way beyond baffled now.
 
Striker10 said:
You could have said the same about Ronaldo in his last season. Who benefits him leaving? Maybe De Gea - certainly Madrid. Do we want to do them any favors? Did they when Ramos wanted to leave? He wants to leave so much that he's said absolutely nothing. That's how much he wants to leave.
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Not really the same Fergie met with Ronaldo and they agreed to him staying for another year and if he did go it was going to be for a large fee. This isn't the case with De Gea he wants to go and is happy to run down his contract. He's perfectly entitled to do that but he becomes less of a priority as far as the first team goes hence he's in the reserves for now.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I really don't think a season of his services is worth the £18m or whatever that Real were said to consider a fair price, plus his wages, given the issues surrounding him. I'm not sure it's worth half of that. I hope we stop this 'standing up to Madrid' stuff and just sell. It feels like we're hurting ourselves in order to hurt another club because we're pissed off at the situation.
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It's now a matter of principle and not allowing De Gea to set a precedent. A club like Arsenal would just bow to the pressure and sell. We shouldn't. Every player coming here should know he has to respect the club.

The Ronaldo case has already set a bad precedent, but at least we got the right price for him because Ronaldo acted much more professionally than De Gea. We should never let De Gea get away with this. He can join them for free next year if he wants.
 
Maybe De Gea was just being honest about not playing; as in he didn't feel ready.
 
Can't really know what the truth is, but LVG, for his experience has come off really navie. What good does it do going public?

It's all very well playing hard ball with Real to get a higher fee. And keeping the player for another year if they don't pay what we want.
But not when we are left with a player who may not even play in that year.

Or maybe he knows exactly what he is doing, and is creating a situation where De Gea must leave this summer if he is not going to sign a new contract showing he wants to play for him and the fee is becoming irrelevant, which I don't think LVG cares about at all.
 
Maybe I'm wrong here and please correct me if I am but, didn't De Gea put his house up for rent/sale and piss off to Madrid not so long ago?

His silence speaks volumes as well....He's had plenty of chances to speak on the subject
 
Yes, you're wrong, .Rossi. It was his landlord, David probably ditched paying the rent.

And as with Rooney, again that silence tells us so much.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Isn't that the bright side. They could buy Messi and the FSW would still screw it up. Moyes with weight.
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Not really.

2 Spanish leagues,
2 UEFA cups
1 Champions League
1 FA cup
1 European Super cup
1 World Club Championship

He's a lot better than Moyes. The only thing the two have in common is that they both give me the creeps
 
If Romero makes a blunder in any of this games..especially on Tuesday in the UCL, this place will explode..I believe that we should have kept this in-house..Do something like what Fergie tried to do with Rooney at the beginning of that saga, whereby he basically lied about Rooney being injured..We dont need to play this out in the public domain, as no one really gains here..As a player, seeing this go on, how are you to approach management and talk , when private conversations will be beamed worldwide? I think dropping DDG may have been the right decision, but we could have done it better..the world doesnt need to know what is happening within the club..If Madrid dont pay up and we end up with DDG this season, I wonder how badly his relationship with LVG will be.....
 
sunama said:
Comparing Benitez with Moyes is err....incomparable.
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IMO Benitez is very overrated. Quietly confident he will not last at RM.

Benitez took Seria A and European champions to 6th very quickly and got the boot for it, Moyes took PL champions to 7th in a season. Maybe both ageing teams, but still.
 
Why are so many people bricking it? What has changed? Two months ago we were all hoping LVG would stand up to Madrid and put our feet down. We're not going to be lowballed for a world class keeper regardless of his contract. DDG is not being selected right now as his head has been turned, but once the transfer window closes, he will play again. He won't rot in the reserves. This is not only a public show of defiance but it also makes sense on a footballing level, because de gea is sort of in a limbo. The ball is in Madrid'a court.
 
.Rossi said:
Maybe I'm wrong here and please correct me if I am but, didn't De Gea put his house up for rent/sale and piss off to Madrid not so long ago?

His silence speaks volumes as well....He's had plenty of chances to speak on the subject
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I agree - his silence isn't the totally noble, dignified act people make it out to be. It's great that he hasn't decided to play it out in the press or disappeared like di Maria but his total silence isn't helping push things forward. It's likely a tactic to keep money for himself on the table or keep the price lower for Real, so why should we indulge that? Doesn't seem like there's any way back now but this could have been resolved sooner if he'd been upfront with the team earlier instead of leaving it up to Real and Perez. Thanks for the great keeping but that's it. Let's not pretend he and his agent (no one questions WHY he switched over to the greaseball Mendes?) haven't tried to manipulate everything to get what they want all at our expense. I'm actually happy to see them whole lot of em squirming.
 
Should've signed the contract if he wants to play. He has no argument to make. Why would we play someone who we know we will lose in less than a year?
 
Kill 'em all said:
Should've signed the contract if he wants to play. He has no argument to make. Why would we play someone who we know we will lose in less than a year?
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It sounds cruel but, I would genuinely piss myself laughing if he was in the reserves for the year. He has no one to blame but himself

Maybe I'm jumping the gun but, it could set a precedent in "player power" in the future.
 
.Rossi said:
It sounds cruel but, I would genuinely piss myself laughing if he was in the reserves for the year. He has no one to blame but himself

Maybe I'm jumping the gun but, it could set a precedent in "player power" in the future.
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I doubt he'd care though. He'll just sign on a free with Real and be their goalkeeper for the next 7-8 years.
 
Just so I've got this straight, let me see if I follow whats happening in this thread.

People wanted DDG to get over the fact that the move wouldn't happen this year and honour his goddam contract.

He seemed to have done so, after a little turbulence, and has indicated he is ready to play.

Van Gaal has come out and had a bizarre pop at him, which the club quickly tried to backtrack on.

DDG camp clearly leaked word that he's surprised at Van Gaal's comments and he's keen to play.

Now, after demanding DDG sees out his deal and having him evidently agree to do as much, people are saying he's done something else wrong and deserves to 'rot' on the bench or in the reserves?

Have I missed something?
 
Rado_N said:
Just so I've got this straight, let me see if I follow whats happening in this thread.

People wanted DDG to get over the fact that the move wouldn't happen this year and honour his goddam contract.

He seemed to have done so, after a little turbulence, and has indicated he is ready to play.

Van Gaal has come out and had a bizarre pop at him, which the club quickly tried to backtrack on.

DDG camp clearly leaked word that he's surprised at Van Gaal's comments and he's keen to play.

Now, after demanding DDG sees out his deal and having him evidently agree to do as much, people are saying he's done something else wrong and deserves to 'rot' on the bench or in the reserves?

Have I missed something?
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As circumstances change, so do people's opinions I'm afraid.

Personally, I don't know what to think. The whole thing is a mess. LVG having pops at him, players supposedly questioning why he's still at the club, his people leaking stories, Madrid being way too quiet by their own standards.

He could have signed a contract awhile ago. Regardless of the contract, United would still sell him if they got their valuation....

I don't know....Anyways, it's matchday. I wanna save some bed wetting for after the match :D
 
Rado_N said:
Just so I've got this straight, let me see if I follow whats happening in this thread.

People wanted DDG to get over the fact that the move wouldn't happen this year and honour his goddam contract.

He seemed to have done so, after a little turbulence, and has indicated he is ready to play.

Van Gaal has come out and had a bizarre pop at him, which the club quickly tried to backtrack on.

DDG camp clearly leaked word that he's surprised at Van Gaal's comments and he's keen to play.

Now, after demanding DDG sees out his deal and having him evidently agree to do as much, people are saying he's done something else wrong and deserves to 'rot' on the bench or in the reserves?

Have I missed something?
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no that's where we are now. I'm glad we got this finally straightened out
 
Rado_N said:
Just so I've got this straight, let me see if I follow whats happening in this thread.

People wanted DDG to get over the fact that the move wouldn't happen this year and honour his goddam contract.

He seemed to have done so, after a little turbulence, and has indicated he is ready to play.

Van Gaal has come out and had a bizarre pop at him, which the club quickly tried to backtrack on.

DDG camp clearly leaked word that he's surprised at Van Gaal's comments and he's keen to play.

Now, after demanding DDG sees out his deal and having him evidently agree to do as much, people are saying he's done something else wrong and deserves to 'rot' on the bench or in the reserves?

Have I missed something?
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I'm not sure that the bits in bold are accurate.

But otherwise spot on.
 
De Gea wants to leave, LVG has accepted this and wants to focus on players who will be here longer than next season,whether this is right or wrong is another story. Before Spurs game, LVG had always praised De Gea's efforts in training though conceded that he's not 100% due to the situation and that after September 1, he'll be in a better frame of mind if he's still here, suddenly, LVG comes up now and says De Gea told the GK trainer that he's not ready to play, read between the lines, I think something clearly changed. I think De Gea is trying to force a move and YES, I 100% believe he has asked not to play [and I would believe it even if Moyes said it] because quite frankly, why would a manager lie about such thing?

So, I hear you say, "But journalists close to De Gea has said he did not refuse to play, yada, yada". Well, Maybe he never knew LVG would go public with it, and to defend his image, he & his advisors have quickly put out word that he never said anything of such. It's a PR war, and why would I believe what De Gea is feeding the journos in private rather than what a reputable manager has said in public? I believe what LVG said, though I don't agree that he should have gone public with it.

The same way I believe Ferguson when he said Rooney asked to leave, I believe what LVG said this time too. However, the whole thing is a right mess now, there's no question about that.
 
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