If we are not getting Pedro because of Januzaj/Perreira etc...

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I would honestly be satisfied of that. I am a big Pedro fan but it would please me even more to see our own players do well.
 
Sounds like an excuse we would use when the Glazers wouldn't spend any money and we had to make do with what we had.
 
Do you create a thread when anything pops into your head?
 
Have loved seeing Januzaj play the last few games in the centre. If we can develop him properly he can absolutely top quality. Pereira looked in storming form in pre season too.

However, what we need is a quality right winger and that's what Pedro was and not what pereira and Januzaj are. And if we're going to spend much of the season watching young play decently at best, and mata try being a right winger, then I completely disagree with selling Di Maria and not replacing him.
 
Same. We need poll. Januzaj/Pereira > Pedro ftw
 
Pedro doesn't have anything to do with Januzaj or Pereira. VG prefers Januzaj as a second striker and Pereira will either play as a number 10 or a central midfielder.

We still need someone to play on the wings. Young, Depay and Mata aren't enough options for a long season.
 
I wouldn't mind it at all, but a part of me still thinks we need that one big attacking signing to seal it all off.

Adnan and Pereira will get their chances either way.
 
I don't know why people keep bringing these 2 up, Pereira can't even make the fecking bench but more importantly neither of them play on the right forward position, which is where Pedro would have enhanced us instead of playing Mata there.
 
Insanity said:
Pedro doesn't have anything to do with Januzaj or Pereira. VG prefers Januzaj as a second striker and Pereira will either play as a number 10 or a central midfielder.

We still need someone to play on the wings. Young, Depay and Mata aren't enough options for a long season.
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This. Two number 10s aren't a reason not to a winger.
 
Well for the 3 positions behind Rooney, we have:
Memphis, Mata as the clear first choice, Januzaj, Young, Pereira, as back up? We're short 1 more player who is first choice either as the 10 or as the right winger, moving Mata to 10 or maybe up front with Rooney dropping to 10. Ideally somebody with pace and who can score goals. So basically pedro/bale/muller.... They'd all take us up another level.

Januzaj and Pereira have huge potential, but they'd get plenty of playing time even if we signed somebody, because we are a bit short of numbers and quality up front at the moment. I hope they get plenty of game time, but we need to strengthen up front.
 
I do hope the likes of Perreira/Januzaj/Wilson and Lingaard get more playing time.
 
So we're relying on a 21 year old, a 20 year old and a 19 year old?

I think it would be fine IF they had an incredible Wayne Rooney to play off of, but - currently - they don't.
 
Neither of these two are good enough yet. There is no point playing youth for the sake of it.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't know why people keep bringing these 2 up, Pereira can't even make the fecking bench but more importantly neither of them play on the right forward position, which is where Pedro would have enhanced us instead of playing Mata there.
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And you are assuming LVG will drop Mata. Defence apart, Only Mata and Morgan S have played every minute of our matches so far.
 
Was just thinking the same thing. If Januzaj, Depay, Pereirra or even Wilson have forced the manager's hand re Pedro then it's all good IMO. Feck it, maybe even Hernandez has been looking great in training?

I've never felt easy with this new policy of signing household names developed at other clubs. Other clubs sign stars, we make them. And signing stars is infinitely less satisfying.
 
Well LVG dropped a hint that we need a player who will replace Young in the starting lineup. Since then Young was dropped and Januzaj played 2 matches in a row. He was not great in any of those matches but he was good in both. Maybe he convinced LVG that he deserve a chance in the first 11.
LVG also dropped Pereira name yesterday in the post-match conference when he was asked how good is Memphis now compared to Memphis from the WC with Holland. He obviously rate Pereira very highly and i wouldn't be suprised if he want to give playing time to Pereira also.

There are only two possibilities why we didn't payed for Pedro the asking price - we want to give our youngsters a chance or a better player became available.
 
odd post considering Pedro is comfortable on both flanks and Perreira is not starting for us anytime soon except maybe league cup game and Adnan if not being played as a 10 which LvG and Adnan prefer, is more likely going to provide cover the left side like he did last season coming off the bench.

Our right side is alarmingly slow with Mata, he also doesn't help out Darmian either another trait Pedro excels at is his willingness to track back. Mata does all his best work coming infield and for me is much better suited playing behind the striker.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Sounds like an excuse we would use when the Glazers wouldn't spend any money and we had to make do with what we had.
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Firstly, we will spend more money and secondly, if we didn't, so what? We have spent more than enough over the past few season to shut the anti glazer fans up.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, we do. Young, Januzaj, Valencia.
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Januzaj is too slow out there and is being converted to a central player. Valencia is now thankfully a fullback and Young plays out on the left where he has played his whole career. Pedro is miles better than any of them as well,m which is supposedly LvG's thinking when it comes to buying.
 
It's highly unlikely we were planning to rely on them after he's highlighted the need for pace and creativity, something which he said we don't currently have. Our options on the right are extremely limited.
 
As I said in another thread, our attack is currently the same as last seasons (which only managed 60 goals) just minus RVP & Di Maria, + Depay & Hernandez... I really don't see how, even with the addition of Depay (who looks excellent) thats enough to challenge.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, we do. Young, Januzaj, Valencia.
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Valencia is more of a right back these days, I don't think Van Gaal even considers him for the right wing spot anymore. Januzaj seems to really struggle on the wing under Van Gaal whenever played there as well, so I'm not sure on that one. And Young has always played on the left and Van Gaal likes his players cutting in. So I really don't see any of them as real options for the right apart from Januzaj, who is far better as the 10. Definitely still think we're short in there.
 
Jammydodger7 said:
Firstly, we will spend more money and secondly, if we didn't, so what? We have spent more than enough over the past few season to shut the anti glazer fans up.
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Being left behind by the other teams is not something I particularly enjoy, don't know about you?

Don't get me wrong here I like Adnan and Pereira but using them as an excuse not to strengthen in an area we need to build is pathetic from the club IMO. Sounds exactly like what we heard when Fergie came out with 'no value' crap that left us in the mess we have been in.
 
I guess this thread is as good as place as any...

Anyone else think that swapping Mata and Januzaj round would give us a really good attack? Januzaj's pace and ability to beat players is more valuable out wide and Mata superior use of the ball would be better used in a central position.
 
I don't think this was how we wanted it to go. Pedro is better than anyone we have on the right. Would be a no brainer to sign him for 21 million. More likely the player preferred Chelsea.
 
settembrini said:
I guess this thread is as good as place as any...

Anyone else think that swapping Mata and Januzaj round would give us a really good attack? Januzaj's pace and ability to beat players is more valuable out wide and Mata superior use of the ball would be better used in a central position.
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I personally think they're both better in the middle.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
As I said in another thread, our attack is currently the same as last seasons (which only managed 60 goals) just minus RVP & Di Maria, + Depay & Hernandez... I really don't see how, even with the addition of Depay (who looks excellent) thats enough to challenge.
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You can add Falcao to the minus list. And let's be honest. They were all shit last season.

On the plus list we also have Januzaj and Wilson. Same names as last season but another year older and better. Hopefully the same applies to Perreira. A lot of comments today along the lines of "you'll never win anything with kids". Believe :P
 
bosnian_red said:
Well for the 3 positions behind Rooney, we have:
Memphis, Mata as the clear first choice, Januzaj, Young, Pereira, as back up? We're short 1 more player who is first choice either as the 10 or as the right winger, moving Mata to 10 or maybe up front with Rooney dropping to 10. Ideally somebody with pace and who can score goals. So basically pedro/bale/muller.... They'd all take us up another level.

Januzaj and Pereira have huge potential, but they'd get plenty of playing time even if we signed somebody, because we are a bit short of numbers and quality up front at the moment. I hope they get plenty of game time, but we need to strengthen up front.
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We also have Fellaini and (at a stretch) Hererra for the 10 position.

So i would say we need either a right winger or a striker.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You can add Falcao to the minus list.

On the plus list we also have Januzaj and Wilson. Same names as last season but another year older and better. Hopefully the same applies to Perreira. A lot of comments today along the lines of "you'll never win anything with kids". Believe :P
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I'm all for investing in youngsters but we have to be quite patient then. The league back in the 90's wasn't even remotely as competitive as it is now with Chelsea and City. We can't win big tropheys with kids, that's true nowadays.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You can add Falcao to the minus list.

On the plus list we also have Januzaj and Wilson. Same names as last season but another year older and better. Hopefully the same applies to Perreira. A lot of comments today along the lines of "you'll never win anything with kids". Believe :P
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Well technically, you'd add that to the plus list!

Nothing LVG has done so far really indicates that he's suddenly ready to thrust Wilson and Perreira into first team action mind - I mean, if they were going to be big parts of the squad this season, I'd have thought they'd have played a bit more last season. Either way, the kids in 96 had Cantona and Cole to play off, we don't currently have a striker who is anywhere near showing their levels of ability.

I do think LVG's come to the conclusion that he needs a striker though, thats probably why we've pulled out of Pedro.
 
bosnian_red said:
Valencia is more of a right back these days, I don't think Van Gaal even considers him for the right wing spot anymore. Januzaj seems to really struggle on the wing under Van Gaal whenever played there as well, so I'm not sure on that one. And Young has always played on the left and Van Gaal likes his players cutting in. So I really don't see any of them as real options for the right apart from Januzaj, who is far better as the 10. Definitely still think we're short in there.
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We have options, though. Which is my point. Mata is first choice and seems to be getting better all the time. One of our best players so far this season. No worries at all for me about him as first choice. If he's injured/unavailable we do have other options. So we can manage.
 
I reckon we messed this up and are now claiming we have "ended our interest". I don't think it has anything to do with any of our youth prospects. We badly need a forward of some description and Pedro would have been a perfect fit.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well technically, you'd add that to the plus list!

Nothing LVG has done so far really indicates that he's suddenly ready to thrust Wilson and Perreira into first team action mind - I mean, if they were going to be big parts of the squad this season, I'd have thought they'd have played a bit more last season. Either way, the kids in 96 had Cantona and Cole to play off, we don't currently have a striker who is anywhere near showing their levels of ability.

I do think LVG's come to the conclusion that he needs a striker though, thats probably why we've pulled out of Pedro.
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree with you. Januzaj looks like he's going to get plenty of time this season, and looks like he's still capable of developing into a very good player for us, but we've seen next to nothing from the other two which would suggest they're going to be major fixtures for us this season.
 
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