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De Gea Contract Situation
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When you say it like that... Have we ever seen Perez and the entire organisation of ISIS in the same room? Coincidence? I think not!
But they didn't until the last minute and now we are in this uncertain situation. Feels like Madrid deliberately fecked us over. I know most people disagree, but in my view, we should have tried to resolve it earlier.
Oh, if we look at our squad, we will struggle to get goals and will be iffy against good teams. I can already list you the excuses:
- He was given 3 years.
- Another transition period. Too many changes to the team.
- He is laying the foundation for the next manager.
- Injuries fecked us over, man, or we would have won the league.
- A true fan is the one who likes his team coming 4th while playing shit football.
- No one plays good football and everyone finishes 4th.
- yada, yada, yada.
We already have dropped one or three points, depending how you see the two Swansea goals, with Romero in goal. Every keeper makes mistakes, every Messi hits the post once in a while - we'd struggle with our goalkeepers because Romero he is not very good, Valdes is not allowed and De Gea is sad.
The margins are very small in this league. The way City are going, makes them even smaller.
By resolve, you mean we should have called them some days ahead and offered them De Gea?
He will want to play as well after the Spanish managers comment. DDG in goal with Valdes on the bench
I always wanted him to stay for the season, it gives us a year to decide on which keeper we actually want for the next 4-5+ years instead of having to decide between just two options at the last minute. De Gea will be professional, he'll do well and the fans will give him a good reception. I don't care at all that we might lose out on 20m or whatever it is, that's neither here nor there for us in the grand scheme of things.
I think the FSW wants him, but as with anything to do with Perez, he has no say in the matter.
That's just a perspective thing. How you see the situation. Most and certainly all in this case are valid. No ones in disagreement but maybe there are things we've not considered or given enough time to or perhaps we're thinking more in the other brain hemisphere. The point is, as the selling club - if you instigate conversations not only are you undermining what you've said to them prior, but you are also saying you want the money and that means that they will offer less...so from a negotiation stand point, it makes sense that we wait for them and I don't think the club lied. I think we'll play him and try to tie him down. We don't want to sell him but if we lost him on a free? We can handle it. Maybe that's partly why we've not spent that much this summer. Maybe it's tied into a move for Kane or someone next summer. Maybe we want to give it one more go as I said, to tie him down. At the end of the day, if next week he signs a new contract, would you still think United were wrong? Probably not...But if they said there was a release clause, I bet you'd feel uneasy about it. Well let's set the bar high but I think most would rather keep him and not encourage this nonsense. De Geas situation is a harsh one. He should be Spains number one and maybe they think they're being smart, but he was good enough for them in the last championships - Pity Spain were shite. Also his family etc - it's a difficult situation but De Gea deserves to be sold for 50 million because he's a top goalkeeper and I think that money would help the club and I think the fans would appreciate him more then screwing up and getting a signing on fee for himself - as well as the compensation
The pre match press conference of both LVG and Rafa should be interesting.
So is DDG going to make a huge fuss about this all? Or not give a feck anymore?
Or will he stay professional, which I pray to god he will. We need that fecker in our goal.
Or will he stay professional, which I pray to god he will. We need that fecker in our goal.
I think that De Gea has 2 options, a new contract with a low release clause, leaving next year for 20/25m or stay the whole year without a renewal. In that case I guess that he would receive Madrid 10m€ compensation, although in theory that is not legal. I think that he will renew to calm the things with fans and Van Gaal.
I can´t see too much punishment for Florentino in Madrid. He managed(accidentally) to save money and keep the goalkeeper that Bernabeu wanted. People will forget about all this as soon as the next soap opera starts (Bale,Isco, Rafa,Iker in Porto..). I can´t speak about other Madrid fans but I wouldn´t chant his name. I wouldn´t want an unhappy player in my team, and less forcing him to stay against his will
It could be argued you did the same thing with Ramos, the poor guy wanted out but he was refused, so had no option but to sign, as there was no guarantee United would be interested in him when his contract ran out. No doubt Madrid fans will see it form a different angle though
DDG hasn't been forced to stay at all, if Madrid had agreed to our terms he would have been there weeks ago, if I was DDG I would be looking at Madrid rather than United if he wants someone to blame. United fans are a good bunch and can can see the situation for what it is, that's why they'll be no hard feelings.
Mate, I never said that we should have initiated contact with Real to sell De Gea. There are other ways to resolve the situation, and I have mentioned those in my earlier posts.
The bold part: I would be delighted. I have suggested the release clause myself in my earlier posts, so I would be delighted with that too.
This is my last post in this thread as I feel like we are going around in circles. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I thought Ramos statement was interesting, pretty much said that these things happen in football but you need to get your head down, stay professional and get on with it
How LVG handles this moving forward will go a long way towards my opinion of him as our manager. This is his biggest decision as manager by far, and he needs to get it right. Imo regardless of whether or not De Gea signs an extension, he needs to be between the posts for us against Liverpool. I didn't think DDG should have ever been sat down anyways. Now that he'll be with us for another year, he needs to be brought back straight away onto the side and there's no excuse for not doing so. He's had plenty of time to get his head straight, and the fact of the matter is we need him out there.
LVG, that crazy frustrating bastard, has been plenty stubborn on a wide matter of subjects for United fans but if he fecks this up, it'll be tough for me to forgive him. As it'll be the clearest indication yet that he puts his own objectives before the good of the club's. Dodgy lineups, tactics, and transfers have left many of us previously puzzled, but it's so obvious that DDG gives our team the best opportunity to win. Here's hoping that LVG puts his arm around him and welcomes him back into the fold and not let that sizable ego of his get in the way. Really shouldn't be an issue as De Gea has never spoken out publicly asking for a move. LVG has a great opportunity to show his man-management skills here.
LVG, that crazy frustrating bastard, has been plenty stubborn on a wide matter of subjects for United fans but if he fecks this up, it'll be tough for me to forgive him. As it'll be the clearest indication yet that he puts his own objectives before the good of the club's. Dodgy lineups, tactics, and transfers have left many of us previously puzzled, but it's so obvious that DDG gives our team the best opportunity to win. Here's hoping that LVG puts his arm around him and welcomes him back into the fold and not let that sizable ego of his get in the way. Really shouldn't be an issue as De Gea has never spoken out publicly asking for a move. LVG has a great opportunity to show his man-management skills here.
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Just what everyone was waiting for, for this clown to voice his opinion on the matter.
Feck that. We need to get rid of that chancer pronto.
I'd bet a lot that he'll stay very professional, provided Van Gaal lets him back in the team. Players get denied transfers they want all the time (not as high profile as this one of course) and it's very rare to see them doing a Berahino.
elpartidodelas12Verified account@partidodelas12DEL BOSQUE: "Si DAVID DE GEA no juega con el Manchester United tendrá muy difícil venir con la selección a la Eurocopa de Francia"
Apparently, Del Bosque has said that he has to play for United to get selected for Euros.
Can we use this to get him to sign that extension with a buyout clause, if required, which justifies his value.
Yeah but Madrid left it to the last minute. Not United.
Finally, someone who doesn't have a hard-on for Valdes. I'll never understand why half the Caf seems to be in love with him.
Well, duh.
DEL BOSQUE: "Si DAVID DE GEA no juega con el Manchester United tendrá muy difícil venir con la selección a la Eurocopa de Francia"
Apparently, Del Bosque has said that he has to play for United to get selected for Euros.
Can we use this to get him to sign that extension with a buyout clause, if required, which justifies his value.
We can use it, yeah although I don't think buyout clause is needed. As he is GK we won't be able to ask 50M+ or something like that anyway. Doubt anyone will pay that much for a GK. Just a 3 year extension should give us 35-40M pounds next summer which will be good money. If he by miracle has change of mind and stays further, that will be great too.
This is what I don't like. Del Bosque is a dinosaur and people like him who probably think he should play in Spain. De Gea was ready in the last championships and IF you got a scenario where they didn't pick De Gea - they have no one to blame but themselves. It would hurt the player and it would hurt Spain. De Bosque would be smart to praise De Gea's character and say he's sure he'll learn from it but I guess Del Bosque is a fool
DEL BOSQUE: "Si DAVID DE GEA no juega con el Manchester United tendrá muy difícil venir con la selección a la Eurocopa de Francia"
Apparently, Del Bosque has said that he has to play for United to get selected for Euros.
Can we use this to get him to sign that extension with a buyout clause, if required, which justifies his value.
Always disliked him, but now he is awesome. Put pressure on De Gea to play here, boss!
And then we can be sneaky devils and say to De Gea 'sign, or watch the games from the stands'.
You cannot play a keeper in a tournmanet - regardless how good he is - if he doesn't play for a year.
What Del Bosque is saying makes completely sense. De Gea needs to play in order to be picked. It is something that almost every manager would say.
I think we'll see a concerted PR campaign in the next couple of weeks from the club and DDG to ensure there are no fan issues when he does play again. As others have said has remained silent in all this so think he will just get his head down and do a job, can't wait to see him back between the sticks. New contract or not I don't really care so much, we dont have to play Romero and we can start work now on his replacement
That's a given but you can turn the question around. The fact is he's not sticking up for his player, he can tell De Gea that in private. But it's a perspective thing you know?
Does anyone know what's going top happen with him? From what i recall we didn't even give him a squad number, does that mean he's not registered with us and he can't play?
Seems a bit ridiculous, he must be on a fair bit of money, leaving him in the stands for the whole season doesn't make sense.
Being Madrid manager doesnt really mean you are in charge as some personnel decisions are made by Perez..You still get fired for poor results though, no matter the effect of Perez's decisions..
I think Del Bosque is saying that if De Gea doesn't play for United at all this season, it will be tough for him to play at Euros. Which will be stand of any coach/manager. You are not going to play a keeper who hasn't played for a year directly at Euros. That's all hypothetical to me though and I am sure Van Gaal will play him regularly this season. We should still use playing him regularly as a condition to get him sign contract extension. Somewhat subtly though, making him feel all loved first, convincing him how Real Madrid are the ones who screwed his dream etc etc
This is already close to my favourite transfer saga ever. If DDG signs contract extension, it will be undoubtedly be the favourite.
Keeping him here makes no sense. We have three keepers I'd rather see in goal so we should have just released him if we couldn't find a buyer. I'm really not sure how or why he's still here.
Have there been any tweets from DdG on this whole sorry mess yet?
I don't think it's a sorry mess btw, I fecking love it!
I don't think it's a sorry mess btw, I fecking love it!
We did give him a squad number..its Valdes who didnt get one
I think Del Bosque is saying that if De Gea doesn't play for United at all this season, it will be tough for him to play at Euros. Which will be stand of any coach/manager. You are not going to play a keeper who hasn't played for a year directly at Euros. That's all hypothetical to me though and I am sure Van Gaal will play him regularly this season. We should still use playing him regularly as a condition to get him sign contract extension. Somewhat subtly though, making him feel all loved first, convincing him how Real Madrid are the ones who screwed his dream etc etc
This is already close to my favourite transfer saga ever. If DDG signs contract extension, it will be undoubtedly be the favourite.
What is there not to get? I know what the guy is saying but do you think De Gea is stupid? No. Do you think De Gea would know that? Probably. So it would be better to say, " I wouldn't be able to pick him but i'm sure he will work hard and that will resolve things". Maybe he said that or that's how it's been reported - either way, I think De Gea should have been Spains number one for the last two years and those lazy bums ignored his form. Maybe because he played in England? Bit of a silly way to look at things and I don't like that attitude as it puts pressure on the player to return to Spain. It would be nice of them to have supported him and recognized he was their best goalkeeper
We can't release him we got him to sign a contract, the whole situation is a mess.
Manchester United responded with this statement on Tuesday evening "to provide some clarification with the following facts"
1. Manchester United did not seek contact from Real Madrid for the sale of David. David is a key member of our squad and the club's preference was not to sell. No offer was received for David until yesterday.
2. At lunchtime yesterday, Real Madrid made its first offer to buy David. A deal was agreed between the clubs, which included Navas being transferred to Old Trafford. The deals were dependent on each other.
3. In the last several hours of the process, with Navas at the Real Madrid training ground, Real Madrid were controlling the documentation processes of David, Navas and Real Madrid. Manchester United was in control only of the documentation of Manchester United.
4. Manchester United sent transfer documents for both players to Real Madrid at 2042 BST. David's documentation was returned by Real Madrid to Manchester United without the signatory page at 2232 BST.
5. At 22:40 BST, minutes before the deadline, major changes to the documentation came through to Manchester United which immediately put the deals at risk. Only at 2255 BST were the documents that are needed to cancel David's contract received by Manchester United from Real Madrid.
6. At this point Navas' documentation was still not returned by Real Madrid.
7. At 2258 BST, the transfer agreement was sent back by Manchester United, uploaded onto TMS and accepted - all before the deadline.
8. It is our understanding that the deals couldn't happen because:
- Real Madrid didn't upload David's documents onto TMS in time (Manchester United did)
- Real Madrid didn't upload David's documents to the Spanish league in time, per reports it seems some 28 minutes after the deadline
9. The fact that Manchester United filed the papers on time was acknowledged by the Football Association, who offered to support that claim in any discussions with FIFA. The Club offered this assistance, as well as its own timestamped documents to Real Madrid but they have chosen not to go down this route.
10. Manchester United acts appropriately and efficiently in its transfer dealings. The Club is delighted that its fan-favourite double Player of the Year, David de Gea, remains a Manchester United player.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ed-and-real-madrid-statements-on-david-de-gea
I think we should make DDG sign a 5 year contract extension with a 100 million buyout clause and then just sit him in the stands forever.
Joking aside, is it legal to say we wont play you unless you sign a contract. I mean obviously we dont have to say it in so many words but could we say that as DDG is not part of our long term plans we need to start planning for a future without him.
Joking aside, is it legal to say we wont play you unless you sign a contract. I mean obviously we dont have to say it in so many words but could we say that as DDG is not part of our long term plans we need to start planning for a future without him.
Yeah, I know but we could have just paid off his contract or something. Though that's pretty much the same as having to pay his wages for a year so doesn't really matter.
The most important thing is that he doesn't actually get anywhere near our goal.
I doubt it is purely because he is not playing in Spain that he has been ignored. Casillas, though on-off at Real Madrid with his relations with Mourinho first and bad form later, would have been tough to drop and would have been controversial. Valdes was doing good for Barca before injury too. So it wasn't exactly straightforward for Del Bosque to select De Gea even though he has been great for last 2 years. The situation now is totally different. Casillas is in Portuguese league, Valdes is not even playing so De Gea has clear path as no. 1 GK for national team, no matter where he plays.
On why Del bosque said it publicly, maybe he was asked the question like that. Either way, what he has said is straightforward so it doesn't change anything.
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