Battlefield Calais: 'the swarm'

holyland red said:
Normal country? Are you insane? It was a brutal dictatorship.

:nervous: Is this a joke
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It's really difficult to actually decide what is better - a blood thirsty dictatorship or the tribal anarchy that follows the fall of a mighty dictatorship. I guess this unprecedented surge in migration shows what the people really think. Just to be sure I absolutely hate these vampire presidents and the mandarins who hang onto their coat tails but the tribal and religious matrix prevailing in most of these countries make it almost impossible for democracy to flourish or vote in a candidate that is ''acceptable'' to both parties e.g. if Assad falls today only parties associated to ISIS will win through mass intimidation and we all know that no one wants a party linked to terrorist networks to have their hands on state power.

Their situation is desperate right now but once they have settled in Germany and the UK we will see incidents of terror rising because whether we want to admit or not these are people who are very easy to radicalize, especially those who are kids right now who won't have any recollection of the troubles their parents went through to get them there or the leap of faith taken by their host countries to welcome them. Insensitive and callous as it might sound but the West has just embarked on a massive importation of terror and people will jump on my throat for saying this but it is what it is, so I apologize on advance SORRY.

At the end of the day it's terrible what these people are having to go through, my heart truly goes out to them.
 
From certain sources, I found out the information about the father of the boy on the beach. It's pretty sad reading.

Aylan Kurdi - the back story

1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000).

2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Aylan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

5) Abdullah Kurdi and his brother wanted to seek refuge in Canada, where their sister lives. However his brother's application was rejected, so then the families decided to pay a smuggler to take them to Greece by boat. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But now he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."



So, we have case after case of injustice and evil that led to not only this sad death but many others. Bashar, the dog, who is corrupt and depraved individual is at the centre of this all. Syrians haven't been fleeing recently. The civil was has been going on since 2011. Refugees have been pouring into Jordan and Turkey since then. People want to point the finger at IS, and they are partly responsible, but this came from Bashar. Of course, IS contribute, but it's too easy saying it's just IS, when it isn't. Some of you want to make excuses for a megalomaniac, who comes from a family who will kill anyone to stay in power. His father is a mad dog as well, and like all mad dogs, they need to be put down. He has used chemical warfare on his own people, murdered countless of children and women and tortured thousands more. It's unbelievable. On top of that you have these bastards IS, who have hijacked and undermined the legitimate opposition forces in Syria. It's a sad situation. And then on top of that you have these corrupt smugglers who are making bucks on other people's desperation. It really is a sad pathetic situation.

To solve this, we need to put Assad down once and for all. Following that, the battle turns to IS.
 
That guy sounds like a greedy queue jumping economic migrant to me.
 
Uzz said:
To solve this, we need to put Assad down once and for all. Following that, the battle turns to IS.
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I'm not sure how Putin / Russia would react though...

I suspect they would veto any action via the Un.

Would they send their own troops in to protect assad (presumably in the guise of fighting isis)

I imagine they could mobilise quicker than a multi national force... And would we seriously bomb Russian troops who were fighting isis... Knowing the fallout from any escalation could be nuclear fallout.

I'm not sure how it will be solved but I suspect it won't be easy as Russia won't be keen to loose a regional ally
 
Uzz said:
From certain sources, I found out the information about the father of the boy on the beach. It's pretty sad reading.

Aylan Kurdi - the back story

1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000).

2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Aylan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

5) Abdullah Kurdi and his brother wanted to seek refuge in Canada, where their sister lives. However his brother's application was rejected, so then the families decided to pay a smuggler to take them to Greece by boat. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But now he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."



So, we have case after case of injustice and evil that led to not only this sad death but many others. Bashar, the dog, who is corrupt and depraved individual is at the centre of this all. Syrians haven't been fleeing recently. The civil was has been going on since 2011. Refugees have been pouring into Jordan and Turkey since then. People want to point the finger at IS, and they are partly responsible, but this came from Bashar. Of course, IS contribute, but it's too easy saying it's just IS, when it isn't. Some of you want to make excuses for a megalomaniac, who comes from a family who will kill anyone to stay in power. His father is a mad dog as well, and like all mad dogs, they need to be put down. He has used chemical warfare on his own people, murdered countless of children and women and tortured thousands more. It's unbelievable. On top of that you have these bastards IS, who have hijacked and undermined the legitimate opposition forces in Syria. It's a sad situation. And then on top of that you have these corrupt smugglers who are making bucks on other people's desperation. It really is a sad pathetic situation.

To solve this, we need to put Assad down once and for all. Following that, the battle turns to IS.
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Amen
 
Uzz said:
From certain sources, I found out the information about the father of the boy on the beach. It's pretty sad reading.

Aylan Kurdi - the back story

1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000).

2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Aylan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

5) Abdullah Kurdi and his brother wanted to seek refuge in Canada, where their sister lives. However his brother's application was rejected, so then the families decided to pay a smuggler to take them to Greece by boat. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But now he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."



So, we have case after case of injustice and evil that led to not only this sad death but many others. Bashar, the dog, who is corrupt and depraved individual is at the centre of this all. Syrians haven't been fleeing recently. The civil was has been going on since 2011. Refugees have been pouring into Jordan and Turkey since then. People want to point the finger at IS, and they are partly responsible, but this came from Bashar. Of course, IS contribute, but it's too easy saying it's just IS, when it isn't. Some of you want to make excuses for a megalomaniac, who comes from a family who will kill anyone to stay in power. His father is a mad dog as well, and like all mad dogs, they need to be put down. He has used chemical warfare on his own people, murdered countless of children and women and tortured thousands more. It's unbelievable. On top of that you have these bastards IS, who have hijacked and undermined the legitimate opposition forces in Syria. It's a sad situation. And then on top of that you have these corrupt smugglers who are making bucks on other people's desperation. It really is a sad pathetic situation.

To solve this, we need to put Assad down once and for all. Following that, the battle turns to IS.
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Very upsetting. The man has nothing to lose.
 
Uzz said:
From certain sources, I found out the information about the father of the boy on the beach. It's pretty sad reading.

Aylan Kurdi - the back story

1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000).

2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Aylan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

5) Abdullah Kurdi and his brother wanted to seek refuge in Canada, where their sister lives. However his brother's application was rejected, so then the families decided to pay a smuggler to take them to Greece by boat. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But now he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."



So, we have case after case of injustice and evil that led to not only this sad death but many others. Bashar, the dog, who is corrupt and depraved individual is at the centre of this all. Syrians haven't been fleeing recently. The civil was has been going on since 2011. Refugees have been pouring into Jordan and Turkey since then. People want to point the finger at IS, and they are partly responsible, but this came from Bashar. Of course, IS contribute, but it's too easy saying it's just IS, when it isn't. Some of you want to make excuses for a megalomaniac, who comes from a family who will kill anyone to stay in power. His father is a mad dog as well, and like all mad dogs, they need to be put down. He has used chemical warfare on his own people, murdered countless of children and women and tortured thousands more. It's unbelievable. On top of that you have these bastards IS, who have hijacked and undermined the legitimate opposition forces in Syria. It's a sad situation. And then on top of that you have these corrupt smugglers who are making bucks on other people's desperation. It really is a sad pathetic situation.

To solve this, we need to put Assad down once and for all. Following that, the battle turns to IS.
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@Red Defence

But he's an economic migrant, right?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
@Uzz

So you want to West ramp up military action?
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sun_tzu said:
I'm not sure how Putin / Russia would react though...

I suspect they would veto any action via the Un.

Would they send their own troops in to protect assad (presumably in the guise of fighting isis)

I imagine they could mobilise quicker than a multi national force... And would we seriously bomb Russian troops who were fighting isis... Knowing the fallout from any escalation could be nuclear fallout.

I'm not sure how it will be solved but I suspect it won't be easy as Russia won't be keen to loose a regional ally
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Russia already have entered the conflict militarily:
Russian troops are fighting alongside pro-Assad forces in Syria, state television in Damascus and several reports have claimed.

The video footage claimed to show troops and a Russian armoured vehicle fighting Syrian rebels alongside President Bashar al-Assad's troops in Latakia.

It is reportedly possible to hear Russian being spoken by the troops in the footage.

In further indications of Russian "mission creep" in Syria, a Twitter account linked to Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's Syrian branch, published images of what appeared to be Russian planes and drones flying over Idlib.
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Edit: Not sure why the tweets aren't working...can a mod help?
 
@Kaos @LitterBug @Revan - here's an exhaustive list on the amount of SA has spent.


Saudi started the (57 Relief Program Project) in accordance with directives from the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz. The Saudi National Campaign to Support the Brothers in Syria established 57 relief programs and projects for the displaced Syrian people in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, as well as those displaced inside Syria, at a total cost of SR 428,860,814 ($114,362,884). The assistance was distributed through the campaign’s offices in Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey, in coordination with the Saudi embassies in the three countries. The program term was between 2012 and July 2013. Below you can read the financial expenses and types of aid and projects that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia covered in full detail.

I omitted this bit but if you'd like to read it I can provide it.

July 27, 2012

The Saudi National Campaign for the Support of Brothers in Syria concluded today, raising more than $66 million. Under the leadership of Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, the five-day campaign encouraged Saudi citizens and residents to support the people of Syria as they face prolonged suffering at the hands of their own government.


King Abdullah donated more than $5 million to the fund while Crown Prince Salman, Deputy Premier and Minister of Defense gave more than $2.5 million. Large quantities of in-kind donations, including foodstuffs, medicines, medical appliances, clothes, tents, blankets and jewelry were also collected. The campaign will continue to accept cash donations through its account at the National Commercial Bank. In-kind donations will be accepted throughout the Kingdom until Monday, July 30.


“Saudi Arabia is committed to supporting the Syrian people in their time of need,” said Saudi Ambassador to the United States Adel A. Al-Jubeir.


In addition to humanitarian aid, Saudi Arabia continues to call for a transition of power in Syria of power, as well as the enforcement of U.N. sanctions against the Syrian regime. The Kingdom has asked for the issue of Syria to be forwarded to the U.N. Security Council under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter and an end to the transfer of arms to the Syrian regime




August 2, 2012

The Minister of the Interior and General Supervisor of the Saudi National Campaign to Support Brothers in Syria, Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz, today ordered the first relief convoy of assistance to be delivered to displaced Syrians in Jordan. The convoy consisted of 43 truckloads carrying foodstuffs and in-kind items contributed by the people of Saudi Arabia.


On July 21, 2012, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz ordered the immediate establishment of the national campaign, giving Saudi citizens and residents a channel to offer their support to the Syrian people as they continue to suffer the cruelty of the Syrian regime. The campaign raised nearly $125 million for the people of Syria. In addition, large quantities of in-kind donations, including foodstuffs, medicines, medical appliances, clothes, tents and blankets have been collected.




December 4, 2012

The Jordanian Office of the Saudi National Campaign to Support the Brothers in Syria has distributed food to Syrian refugees in the areas of Ramtha, Sahab and Amman. In a press statement, the Director of the Campaign in Jordan, Saad Mahanna Al-Sweed, said that 670 Syrian refugee families benefited from the Campaign’s aid. Food baskets stocked with over sixteen varieties of basic food items, including sugar and rice, were handed out to those in need.



December 12, 2012

The Kingdom announced today that it has recognized the Syrian National Coalition as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people and that it plans to provide $100 million in assistance to help alleviate the humanitarian crisis. This came in a speech by Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal, who is leading a delegation to the 4th Ministerial Meeting of the Group of Friends of the Syrian People held in Marrakesh, Morocco.



December 13, 2012

[Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal headed the Saudi delegation to the 4th Ministerial Meeting for the Group of Friends of the Syrian People yesterday in Marrakesh, Morocco. Prince Saud announced the Kingdom’s recognition of the Syrian National Coalition as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people and pledged $100 million in assistance on behalf of the Saudi government to alleviate the suffering of the Syrian people.

In his speech, Prince Saudi said, “We hope that the formation of the coalition will enable the Syrian opposition to develop a comprehensive and clear perspective including the rights of all Syrian people in order to achieve the noble aspirations of the Syrian people in maintaining the unity of Syria's territories, people, sovereignty and independence.”

Prince Saud highlighted the humanitarian situation in Syria as the main concern, in light of the increasing number of Syrian refugees, and announced the Kingdom’s donation of $100 million in assistance through the Syrian National Coalition.


January 3, 2013


The National Campaign in Support of the Brotherly People of Syria in Lebanon (NCSBPSL) today continued the distribution of food and blankets to displaced Syrians in the southern Lebanese city of Sidon. The director of the campaign's office in Beirut, Walid Jalal, said that1,000 food rations and 4,000 blankets were distributed today to 1,000 families. Last month, the campaign initiated a campaign to distribute 100,000 blankets to Syrian refugees in Lebanon.


January 11, 2013

The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz has issued directives to the Ministry of Finance to provide $10 million in urgent relief assistance for displaced Syrians in Jordan. The order came after the King was briefed on the refugees’ suffering amid harsh winter conditions in the region. The first batch of aid, consisting of sheets, blankets, mattresses and other supplies, was sent last night and is expected to arrive later today.

Meanwhile, Minister of Interior Prince Mohammed bin Nayef bin Abdulaziz, who is the Supervisor General of the Saudi National Campaign to Support Syrian Refugees, ordered the provision of supplies costing SR 24 million [$6.4 million] for Syrian refugees at the Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan. The aid will include 1,000 tents, 12,000 food baskets,7,000 heaters, and 100,000 blankets.

*Also on Friday January 11, 2013 The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia announced that it is donating $10 Billion in aid to Syrian Refugees of Zaatari camp in Jordan in order to help the country with the refugee crisis http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Saudi-Arabia-to-aid-Jordan-with-Syrian-refugees

January 15, 2013

The Saudi National Campaign for the Relief of Syrian Refugees today received 9,000frozen carcasses of sacrificial meat, which will be distributed to Syrian refugees in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. The distribution, which will provide 3,000 carcasses to each country, will take place in coordination with the Saudi Project for the Utilization of Hajj Meat, which is being managed by the Islamic Development Bank Group.

Meanwhile, the Saudi National Campaign for the Relief of the Somali People has received10,000 frozen carcasses of sacrificial meat, which will be distributed to beneficiaries in Somalia.

January 24, 2013

Upon the directives of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, the Saudi National Campaign for the Support of the Brothers in Syria distributed assistance to Syrian refugees in the Arssal Region in northern Lebanon yesterday. In a statement, the Director of the Campaign’s Beirut Office, Waleed Al-Jalal, said that the aid included 6,800blankets.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Finance issued a statement reporting that the Campaign has delivered SR 37.49 million [$10 million] worth of relief supplies for Syrian refugees in the Al-Zaatari refugee camp in northern Jordan.

January 28, 2013

The International Islamic Relief Organization of Saudi Arabia (IIROSA), an affiliate of the Muslim World League, has distributed 2,000 food baskets and 8,400 blankets in Jordan over the past week. The assistance was provided to 30,000 Syrian and Palestinian refugees, as well as poor families in Jordan.

January 29, 2013

The Saudi National Campaign to Support the Brothers in Syria began the distribution today of 28 truckloads of emergency aid to Syrian refugees living in camps in Jordan, in cooperation with the Jordanian Charitable Society. The Campaign’s Director of Coordination and Follow-Up, Yousef Al-Rahmah, said that the assistance included 7,000heaters and 7,000 gas cylinders. He added that tomorrow the Campaign will distribute 500food baskets to Syrian refugees in the King Abdullah Gardens in Al-Ramtha. He reported that the Campaign has coordinated with the Governor of Irbid and the Jordanian Red Crescent Authority to draw up a plan to distribute aid to Syrian refugees in the governorate.

Meanwhile, the Campaign has continued the distribution of assistance to Syrian refugees in the Al-Thania region in northern Lebanon. Waleed Al-Jalal, the Director of the Campaign’s Office in Lebanon, said that 1,500 food baskets and 2,000 blankets were provided to more than 500 refugee families yesterday.


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Basically, if I was to detail what they've done from then up until now, it'll have to be in 10 parts, as the list is pretty exhaustive.

They have done a shedload for the Syrians in this conflict, and they continue to do so. I do agree - it would be better for them to take some in the country, and I hope they will change their stance and do so, but I think it's too easy to point the finger at them when there's other countries in the region doing sweet f all.

What they are doing is funding projects to help, so it is not at the cost of the host country:

November 6, 2013

The International Islamic Relief Organization of Saudi Arabia (IIROSA), an affiliate of the Muslim World League (MWL), set up a medical center in Yemen that has already provided services to over 16,000 patients. During a meeting yesterday in Sana’a with Acting IIROSA Secretary General Ihsan Tayyib, a number of Yemeni ministers thanked the organization for its continuing assistance to the Yemeni people.

Meanwhile, the IIROSA provided a large quantity of food baskets and blankets to displaced Syrians in the Lebanese city of Tripoli.



November 21, 2013

The Saudi National Campaign to Support the Syrian Brothers is continuing its housing project in Lebanon, distributing rent money to refugees. In a statement, the Director of the Campaign’s Office in Beirut, Walid Jalal, said that $169,000 worth of lease-checks have been provided to 210 Syrian families. He noted that the project plans to provide $900,000 in checks to 1,100 Syrian families in the coming weeks.
 
It doesn't tell how much they gave to ISIS and other rebel groups. I would guess far more than this.

Anyway, I don't know what are people expecting from them. They are a state that uses ISIS methods in their own citizens.
 
Revan said:
It doesn't tell how much they gave to ISIS and other rebel groups. I would guess far more than this.

Anyway, I don't know what are people expecting from them. They are a state that uses ISIS methods in their own citizens.
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I'm sorry that doesn't make sense, ISIS and their followers despise the Saudi regime, they even pledge to turn their attention to the Hijaz once they are done in As-Sham.

There may be wealthy individuals in KSA that have financed ISIS but it's not from the state, it would be suicidal.
 
Also Saudi are in bed with the US, you think the US would not know if they were funding ISIS? so if what you are saying is true that means the US is allowing the Saudis to fund ISIS, the whole idea is absurd. Unless the US are in on it too.
 
2mufc0 said:
I'm sorry that doesn't make sense, ISIS and their followers despise the Saudi regime, they even pledge to turn their attention to the Hijaz once they are done in As-Sham.

There may be wealthy individuals in KSA that have financed ISIS but it's not from the state, it would be suicidal.
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Not from the state, but from individual rich men from that region. And rich people in that region are always linked to the state.

Add to that, SA financed a lot of rebels. ISIS was created from some groups of rebels, so even if it isn't a direct financing, still.

@2mufc0 , US armed the 'moderate rebels'. Guess in whose hands are those weapons now?
 
@Uzz what is the total pledged in GBP. The figures I got were from The Sun.
 
Uzz said:
lol the Sun?? Because they're a fair, transparent source with integrity.

The total figures in GDP I don't have at hand. I'll try and find out, thought.
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They don't usually spout shit when it comes to figures like these because they don't want to eat their words later on.

In the latest UN meeting where around $4bn was pledged for the crisis, Saudis pledged $60m compared to $500m from US and $1bn from EU.
 
LitterBug said:
They don't usually spout shit when it comes to figures like these because they don't want to eat their words later on.

In the latest UN meeting where around $4bn was pledged for the crisis, Saudis pledged $60m compared to $500m from US and $1bn from EU.
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Ok - and what of the money spent by SA, Kuwait, and Qatar before the UN decided they should get involved?

Also - the Sun are a shite newspaper, probably the worst now that NotW is no more. I wouldn't use anything they say to try and prove a point.
 
Uzz said:
Ok - and what of the money spent by SA, Kuwait, and Qatar before the UN decided they should get involved?

Also - the Sun are a shite newspaper, probably the worst now that NotW is no more. I wouldn't use anything they say to try and prove a point.
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I was just quoting their figures that's why I asked what the source of your timeline was. There's no reason for them to lie about the other 3 and say Kuwait has given £700+ million. I will look for a more credible source but I don't dispute the figures as they didn't pluck them out of the air.
 
Eyepopper said:
That guy from UKIP said pretty much the same yesterday, he just used less words.
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Good, pleased to see that someone has. What a pity that so many others aren't able to see the issues as clearly. If you don't balance the head with the heart in a crisis situation you just end up retorting to reasonable logic with sarcasm, which never helps in any situation.
 
Red Defence said:
Good, pleased to see that someone has. What a pity that so many others aren't able to see the issues as clearly. If you don't balance the head with the heart in a crisis situation you just end up retorting to reasonable logic with sarcasm, which never helps in any situation.
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Are you pleased that he called his own tweet a mistake and apologised for it?
 
Shamwow said:
Are you pleased that he called his own tweet a mistake and apologised for it?
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Up until now haven't heard what he's said/done and only just seen the tweet on here. Couldn't give a toss one way or another about him tbh and I'm not getting drawn into all this UKIP bitching/sarcasm stuff that's on here.

Eyepopper said:
Agreed, but thats not going to be sorted anytime soon.

This is the decades of foreign policy coming home to roost unfortunately, and there is no quick or easy fix.

Hard to know how its going to be sorted really.

In the meantime something needs to be done to help the people who are risking their lives today/tomorrow and in the weeks and months to come.
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Centuries of religious intolerance, sectarianism and tribal rivalries wouldn't you say.
 
Eyepopper said:
Well here's what the guy from UKip tweeted.

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and heres what Red Defence said.




Worlds apart I guess.
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Yes, I'd say. If you read it properly you can see why...if you want to see that is.
 
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Red Defence said:
Up until now haven't heard what he's said/done and only just seen the tweet on here. Couldn't give a toss one way or another about him tbh and I'm not getting drawn into all this UKIP bitching/sarcasm stuff that's on here.
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You probably should have read the tweet before commending it.
 


I called Cameron a cnut earlier in the thread, if this is true then cnut doesn't even come close to covering it.
 
NinjaFletch said:


I called Cameron a cnut earlier in the thread, if this is true then cnut doesn't even come close to covering it.
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That's just sort of twisted. They can come to our country, and experience a better life...until they get to a certain age. Then they're going straight back home. It's like the stuff of an evil mastermind who likes to play psychological games with his opponents.
 
Not to mention that if we were to kick them out, they're going to just try to return at the first opportunity again. Bizarre plan.
 
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