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Re-integrating Valencia as a winger
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He's not had a run out as a winger in a while - as a defender he has been perfect for LVG in going forward in that he plays it safe. For him to integrate back, he'll have to go back to a mentality of when he first joined us - something that has been long missing, which is to go at defenders. He should be an option as a winger but, LVG won't see it that way.
That is dribbling, what you are talking about is beating a man, which is rather different.
Might add some much needed width though. Our centre is quite congested.
But no if Le Capitan is playing. Our entire forward game plan will be Rooney swinging balls over to the right.
But no if Le Capitan is playing. Our entire forward game plan will be Rooney swinging balls over to the right.
Please No.
If he can't trump Hoffman or take over Kagawa then he shouldn't even bother coming back let alone worry about development. We can't have it both ways.. Talk up the kid then at the same time not believe he can't compete with player of a lesser quality bar Reus.
I'd rather we didn't particularly use Valencia on the wings all that much, especially not ahead of Mata. For all of Mata's slow play and build-up, he's capable of being quite productive. He'll score, get an assist, put through an exquisite little pass, and generally make stuff happen. Valencia's a lot more quick and direct, but he's often ineffective. He'll speed down the wing with the ball, but it means little when he just whacks it off the defender, or sends it into the stands. I'd be all for him playing on the wing if he can find some good form, but it's been years since he had an excellent season for us as a winger.
I think he'll tend to be more of a backup player, both on the wings and at right-back. While he was sometimes dodgy defensively, he put in some decent displays at full-back and was arguably of more use there than he was on the wings. If Darmain is injured or needs rested at all, I'd be fine with Valencia jumping in for a while. Same with the wings: I don't particularly want him as our main starting option, but he'll be there as a replacement if we need him.
I think he'll tend to be more of a backup player, both on the wings and at right-back. While he was sometimes dodgy defensively, he put in some decent displays at full-back and was arguably of more use there than he was on the wings. If Darmain is injured or needs rested at all, I'd be fine with Valencia jumping in for a while. Same with the wings: I don't particularly want him as our main starting option, but he'll be there as a replacement if we need him.
I think United need to learn 3 lessons
a- when an average player isn't good enough to play in his role than he should be sold
b- form is temporary and class is permanent works both ways (in regards of giving new contracts to Nani and Young)
c -Mata is not a winger
a- when an average player isn't good enough to play in his role than he should be sold
b- form is temporary and class is permanent works both ways (in regards of giving new contracts to Nani and Young)
c -Mata is not a winger
You should have just ended it there.
Nope, I'm done hoping for him to regain his earlier form, he's beyond repair far as I am concerned.
Re: OP. Hasn't LvG tried Fellaini and Herrera on the right? Mata's doing fine there and he rarely ever gets injured, so we shouldn't worry about this happening.
Re: OP. Hasn't LvG tried Fellaini and Herrera on the right? Mata's doing fine there and he rarely ever gets injured, so we shouldn't worry about this happening.
Keep him for when we´re chasing a match and need a substitute fullback for any semblance of attack and understanding with our wingers.
Insert witty comment about Valencia being crap.
Can't believe people are suggesting Valencia to replace our best attacking player this season. Just because Mata slows down the attack, it doesnt change the fact that he is our most productive attacker after Rooney, and our most creative player. He might be short and weak, but he is very good at retaining possession, which is why LVG likes him. He also offers great movement off the ball.
Valencia offers nothing other than solid defensive work, and pace. But all that pace means nothing when Valencia has a hard time beating his defender, and breaks the defender's shin in frustration.
Valencia offers nothing other than solid defensive work, and pace. But all that pace means nothing when Valencia has a hard time beating his defender, and breaks the defender's shin in frustration.
They played on the right of a diamond for a couple of games, and Herrera also on the right of a three later on. I'm sure I don''t need to point out the flaw of Fellaini standing on the touchline crossing the ball in to our 5"9 striker though, and both players are obviously not wingers.
Looks like he'll be starting tonight on the RW for Ecuador in a friendly.
I know, but I do recall Fellaini taking players on the right flank.. I definitely do. It looked insane, and was probably not more than a few minutes.
Yup. We're all scratching our heads i think.
Valencia is RB cover, nothing more, nothing less.
I don't even think Valencia would be capable of voting....
As this would involve putting a cross in a box!
As this would involve putting a cross in a box!
The odd game here and there i'd have no problem with, just not as a permanent solution
He needs to do it instantly, he won't be given the luxury of bedding himself in a loan deal. It will be a new league and a new system. Even if he's as good as Hoffman, it would be Hoffman that would be preferred. Expecting him to top kagawa is a bit much, he's a kid for crying out loud. Shouldn't bother coming back unless he takes over Kagawa's spot?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Are memories that short?
I'd rather see, and I believe this will be the case, Lingard get games before him.
Are memories that short?
I'd rather see, and I believe this will be the case, Lingard get games before him.
if he can rediscover his better-than-Bale form than why not #7
hope he retires next season..
hope he retires next season..
I'm not a fan of Mata on the right, he's slower than a Snail dosed up on Nyquil, but that's no reason to get crazy! Young is his cover and while not great he's still better than the shin killer who should remain as the RB back-up.
Pereira Martial and Lingard.
Correct.
Valencia pinging in crosses to Fellaini. Would be a nice plan B.
If we were Sunderland.
If we were Sunderland.
Yeah, I don't get why everyone now thinks Mata has been bad. He's not a traditional winger, but he hasn't been ineffective. Being out on the right gives him a bit more room than if he were in the middle.
Beckham right now would do a better job. Valencia can't cross for shit these days.
Scary thing is its true
It's not 'genuine pace' though is it? It's the illusion of pace because he can run quickly. Valencia on the right wing slows our game up far more with his safe keep-ball passes and his inability to get past anyone any more. I don't think Mata has done badly there, with him coming inside a lot we just need a more fluid front 4 who can interchange a bit more.
I'd rather play Pereira or Herrera there and keep Valencia as back-up right back.
If we loaned out Januzaj only to re-integrate Valencia into a winger I will turn against LVG. For that sole reason.
Plenty bantz in this thread
Can't say I'd be too positive about this move. It's not gonna do much for our attack. I'd pass on this.
So, we can keep him
?Expecting him to get a starting spot without injuries of the key players is a pipe dream. I don´t care if Kagawa turned out to be an unfulfilled promise at United, because he never fit your style of play and lacked confidence. He is a different player for us and Dortmund has always been the best enviroment to get the maximum out of his abilities and this version of Kagawa is simply superior to Januzaj in nearly every way (which is an unfair comparision in the first place because one player is a developed and established player and the other is a talent).
I also like the dig about players of lesser quality. We don´t need to kid ourselves here. If United had currently an attacking player with the form and performances of what Henrikh Mkhitaryan brings on the pitch the last few months, half the Caf would build him a shrine and talk nonstop about him.
You can exclude Reus all you want, but he is as much competition as the other two (probably even his most direct one), part of an offense which has in this season no problems to score three to four goals every game and create chances for four more even vs. extremely defensive opponents.
To get in this smoothly running offensive machine as loan player is a task of enourmous difficulty. Tuchel has no reason to break apart this offensive midfield, which also has extremely good synergy with our main striker, for the most profilic games. Januzaj would have to actually force the coach to field him and even if he makes the jump in development, which Van Gaal never got out of him, actually outperforming one of these three is damn near impossible.
Considering he came back from such a horrific injury and managed to have a spell as one of the best right wingers in Europe, I wouldn't rule it out, particularly given our lack of options.
But yeah, I can't see it personally.
But yeah, I can't see it personally.