Basically Xavi's having a crywank.
But he's probably doing it on a mattress made entirely of money, so...
But he's probably doing it on a mattress made entirely of money, so...
Xavi Sells Out to Qatar aka Chemical Xavi
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Could make a difference for his family later on or even grand-grandchildren.
What's wrong with watching youth games?
Have to admit, the move has tarnished his aura a bit for me, its all well going to the MLS for a last payday if he wasnt given anymore leeway at barca, but Qatar?
A lot of people died making those "air-conditioned" stadiums.
No they didn't.
He'd certainly have been playing in front of many more fans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer_attendance
Was there any 'official' number on what he's making in Qatar? I can't imagine it being THAT much more than MLS
Care to elaborate?
Saw a clip from his first game and it was really disappointing to see a player like him playing in what was a virtually empty stadium.
Exactly; I never understand the "well he's already rich, what's a few more million matter". It's the same mentality as "if I earned £2m a year I'd be happy to pay 90% income tax". It's easy to say it when you aren't very rich, but those who are wealthy think completely differently (and in fact thinking differently in some cases is probably part of the reason they're rich in the first place).
The fact is if I had £20m in the bank and had the opportunity to earn another £20m over a couple of years or alternatively earn a few hundred thousand a year as Barcelona U17 coach; I'd be opting for the former and milk my career for everything it was worth. I would think I owed it to my grandchildren and great grandchilden to secure their future, as much as anything else.
because we're not talking a couple of million. We're talking huge numbers, so much so that the money he probably makes from investing it alone will be enough to see his family right forever so long as it's never mismanaged.
How much money to his grandkids need for fecks sakes?
Coupled with the fact that I'm sure he's not paying taxes.
If you had $20m in the bank you would have more than enough to secure grandchildren and great grand childrens future. However nobody owes grand children or great grand children anything.
From a BBC article:
Out of the 1,200 workers who have died so far, of course some of them have died as a consequence of the World Cup. The situation for migrant workers in Qatar is absolutely dreadful, they get their passports taken away so they have no other options than to obey their employer, and they work 12-hour shifts day and night. Quite unacceptable for one of the world's richest countries if you ask me.
Link?
It's revisionist bullshit that's based on the fact it's difficult to link the deaths to the construction of the stadia and infrastructure 100%. But even with that in mind, I've never seen anyone put forward 'none' of the deaths are linked to the WC. At best, they minimize it. But I think Brown Toothpick is a Barça fan?
€10m per year apparently, and I don't think foreigners are taxed in Qatar.
Again, that same article actually denies that deaths are because of WC construction. There's actually no real evidence of that whatsoever. Im not defending the working conditions there or anything, it's just that numbers are being exaggerated and linked without any credibility.
So we just assume that they actually are from construction?
Why would I, as a Barca fan, defend them?
Me, as most Barca fans, were and still are against the Qatari sponsorship from the beginning and before these numbers ever even came out. However, its just easy to spread any piece of news nowadays and people will eat it up.Meanwhile,
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/23/qatar-nepal-workers-world-cup-2022-death-toll-doha
There is no doubt that the migrant workers in Qatar suffer some of the worst imaginable living conditions in the world (I have been in Dubai and witnessed it myself). Although your facts say only 14 of those were worksite related, most die as a result of the conditions they suffer, such as heart attacks due to exhaustion and working out in immense heat 12 hours a day.
Going off the Guardian report, one dead Nepalese worker every two days is not a natural rate... And that is excluding Bangladeshis, Indian workers, etc.
It's not the WC that's killing people. That isn't the issue. The issue is that the WC was given to a country where the workers are already dying, meaning that surely workers are going to die because of the WC as well. Unless the Qataraian government are specifically going to take care of workers whilst they're working on the stadium for the sole purpose of the statistics looking better, workers are going to die. It would be abnormal for them not to.Again, that same article actually denies that deaths are because of WC construction. There's actually no real evidence of that whatsoever. Im not defending the working conditions there or anything, it's just that numbers are being exaggerated and linked without any credibility.
So we just assume that they actually are from construction?
Why would I, as a Barca fan, defend them?
Why you being a Barca fan matters would be because of where a lot of sponsorship money for your club comes from and this being a thread about Xavi playing there, a Barca legend. Bias will be assumed, especially when you argue like you do.
How is working in immense heat for 12 hours a day not worksite related?
How many Nepalese workers are there in Qatar?
So they die after they end work, most often while in bed, thus the death is not labelled as a "worksite related injury" in which they would die from a falling crane or what ever.
400,000. Mostly men between 20-40 years old.
So 180 deaths in total (one every two days) would be 45 deaths per 100,000 people, that's probably similar to the death rate of men between 20-40 in the UK, US and other countries.
Doesn't matter how it's labelled. Whether they die in the slave camps or whilst holding a hammer is irrelevant.
The difference between say £30m and £40m is very substantial.
I feel that I owe my childrens children help and if I had the natural gifts Xavi has been blessed with I'd feel I owed it to my grandchildren to help their kids out as well.
I'm not with awarding Qatar the WC. Neither am I denying that any deaths may have occurred solely out of stadium construction. My only problem is that people are going with the 1200 deaths number as if its a fact. This point has already been argued in this thread by other posters in the earlier pages.
Well I don't know why I'm considered biased, even though I've been against the Qatari affiliation with the club since day 1. I was also against Xavi ending his career there. It just seems that if I'm not going along 100% with what the media spouts out, then I'm a biased Barca fan that loves the Qatari regime?!
By that logic, why shouldn't I just say the same about any United fan that's also just plainly asking for some facts? Isn't the Commercial Bank of Qatar a financial sponsor of Manchester United? They directly fund many World Cup related projects.
Think it's double that of Europe, read that somewhere today.
No I agree, that's why the low number of "worksite related" deaths is a bit misleading to say the least.
Have you been living under a rock?
Even if it is, it's 400,000 workers who a large percentage of work in physically demanding jobs, it's not fair to compare it to the average rate in Europe, you would need to compare it to the death rate of male construction workers in Europe of that age.
It's not my logic, I'm just telling you why people would think you might be bias. I didn't think you were.I'm not with awarding Qatar the WC. Neither am I denying that any deaths may have occurred solely out of stadium construction. My only problem is that people are going with the 1200 deaths number as if its a fact. This point has already been argued in this thread by other posters in the earlier pages.
Well I don't know why I'm considered biased, even though I've been against the Qatari affiliation with the club since day 1. I was also against Xavi ending his career there. It just seems that if I'm not going along 100% with what the media spouts out, then I'm a biased Barca fan that loves the Qatari regime?!
By that logic, why shouldn't I just say the same about any United fan that's also just plainly asking for some facts? Isn't the Commercial Bank of Qatar a financial sponsor of Manchester United? They directly fund many World Cup related projects.
The way to argue that number is not by saying that no death is attributed to the WC. That's just lawyer talk which we don't need here. We probably will never see any specific numbers because the Qatarian government doesn't care and so they don't look into it. It's also hard to get a specific general number due to the way the treat the immigrant workers and the fact that they aren't from Qatar.
If you compare it to my country you maybe get 1 per year, if that.
Qatar is a very small country and their population isn't huge. They've got lots of money and their own people have it just fine. That's the thing. The average Qatarian male between the ages of 20-40 isn't dying. So why this huge disparity within the country?
But we're just assuming all along that their government is not improving the workers' situation. They came out many times, after the numbers and media uproar, and vowed to improve the conditions. Embassies there said that the workers were in better conditions now. Why do we just automatically dismiss everything they say?
Iceland only has a population of 300,000, how many male construction workers between the ages of 20-40 are there? 5,000? So few that any figure is meaningless.
The average male construction worker in Qatar isn't dying, 45 out of every 100,000 are. Qatar has one of the highest obesity rates in the world, I'd love to see the death rate for normal Qatari men of that age, it might even be higher than 45.
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The country of image decided after a massive global campaign against their corruption to improve the conditions a bit. Well done. It's still corrupt, there are still slaves there and being in better conditions doesn't equate to them being in good conditions.
Please provide me with a link saying it's better. Here's one from last May. Came out after the government said they were improving things.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gn-workers-global-scrutiny-working-to-a-point