How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?

It makes for really sad viewing when players of Rooney's stature start fading physically and mentally, and are reduced to a shell of their former selves. Happens to the best of them - Vieri, Raul, Shevchenko, Puyol, Gerrard and Xavi last season, Terry in Chelsea's current campaign. With Rooney it's even more pronounced because he's always been a really dynamic player who influenced the game on multiple levels. As a supporter you hope for him to pull it together, and atleast do an impression of the player he once was, but to be fair, he has been on a progressive downward slope for a couple of years now. That signals some form of terminal decline, normal loss of form doesn't last that long.

That said, IMO there's no reasonable hope of him being dropped this season, that much is pretty evident right now, and has been for a while. Van Gaal doesn't yield the power at United that Fergie did. He has benched captains in the past, but the likes of Van Bommel at Bayern aren't good examples, he was always an outsider. Rooney's stature at United would match someone like a Lahm at Bayern. Van Gaal isn't going to take him head on, he seems publicly enamored with him, and given Rooney's political influence in the dressing room, benching or even rotating him in and out of the starting XI might backfire, especially when we don't have a great alternative for the role he plays (Ander is a midfielder and Louis prefers hybrid strikers as the point forward).

Let him ride this season out, then transfer list him in the summer. Always better to pull the bandage in one quick stroke, than delaying the inevitable. As long as he stays at the club, there'll always be a fanfare to start him given his influence, or public outcry whenever his replacement's level of play dips, to go with the commercial pressure. That #10 position which he occupies is arguably the most fundamental of Van Gaal's teams. And Rooney is in no way doing that position due justice, he's even teetering on the edge of becoming a major liability. Cut the cord at the end of the season, sell him, let him join the MLS or another European club for his final hurrah, then buy a top notch replacement who can contribute from the get go.
 
The answer would seem to be to start to rotate him. Herrera is screaming out to be played in that position anyway, so mix them up. Rooney's not playing so terribly that he needs to be completely dropped, but nor is he playing well enough to have any grounds to be pissed off if, for example, we benched him against Arsenal. LVG can simply meet any media scrutiny with the line that 'Rooney played 90 hard minutes against Wolfsburg and we needed to give him a rest.'

Not going to happen is big important games for that line of rhetoric. But I agree, bench him vs easier teams.
 
@NinjaZombie funny but i don't think so. Many were worried last season if we will stop playing with 5 defenders and we did, many were worried if RVP will be dropped and he was and sold in the summer etc. LVG is not the type of manager who will go out in public and say one of his players is underperforming, he will evalute and when he will think he gave Rooney enough games and he didn't improved he will be dropped. And we all know what happens when he will be dropped.
 
I think it's possible that van gaal counts on rooney off the pitch with the players, maybe he's worried that an unhappy rooney could play a role in him losing the dressing room, dropping a big name isn't easy, most top players don't take it well, and we aren't at a point when van gaal is invincible yet.

The problem right now is that we don't have a player that we know could do a great job there other than mata, in theory we have other options, in practice we don't know, so as far as van gaal is concerned, it's still a big risk.

Having said that i think rooney should be dropped, he's been one of our worst performers this season, it's a big call for van gaal to make, but i'm not sure he has the balls for it.
 
Not going to happen is big important games for that line of rhetoric. But I agree, bench him vs easier teams.

I dunno, both games are really important, Rooney's played whenever fit all season... it seems reasonable to accept that we might have to choose to play him in only one of those games. Even the media know he's not as important as he used to be, it's not the same as resting the 09/10 Rooney even in their eyes.
 
Dropping him would perhaps be the best thing for the team short term.

But it's possible Van Gaal thinks he needs to play to regain form. And an on form Rooney is an asset, so it's sort of catch 22.

I personally doubt he will get back to his best on the bench or in the U21's.

An on form Falcao would have been an asset too. We should have just played him forever too.
 
Brightonian said:
The answer would seem to be to start to rotate him.

We'll never find a turntable that big.

Brightonian said:
LVG can simply meet any media scrutiny with the line that 'Rooney played 90 hard minutes against Wolfsburg and we needed to give him a rest.'

No-one would buy that though, especially when journalists 'suddenly' start hearing rumours about "senior players being unhappy with van Gaal's BIZARRE team selections".
 
I agree that Rooney has been seriously underperforming, but I don't understand why people keep saying he'll be dropped.

LVG isn't going to put his captain on the bench, that simply will not happen - as unfortunate as that may be.
He did exactly that in his last club managerial job.
 
If I was LVG i'd get my gonads out, wave them in Roonys face, whilst at the same time telling him that his will be well and truely amputated if he doesn't sort himself out!

LMAO.
Best post so far.
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I think it's possible that van gaal counts on rooney off the pitch with the players, maybe he's worried that an unhappy rooney could play a role in him losing the dressing room, dropping a big name isn't easy, most top players don't take it well, and we aren't at a point when van gaal is invincible yet.

The problem right now is that we don't have a player that we know could do a great job there other than mata, in theory we have other options, in practice we don't know, so as far as van gaal is concerned, it's still a big risk.

Having said that i think rooney should be dropped, he's been one of our worst performers this season, it's a big call for van gaal to make, but i'm not sure he has the balls for it.
this is the only conceivable reason, as for football on the pitch any other player in the squad giving these performances would be dropped then sold
 
It makes for really sad viewing when players of Rooney's stature start fading physically and mentally, and are reduced to a shell of their former selves. Happens to the best of them - Vieri, Raul, Shevchenko, Puyol, Gerrard and Xavi last season, Terry in Chelsea's current campaign. With Rooney it's even more pronounced because he's always been a really dynamic player who influenced the game on multiple levels. As a supporter you hope for him to pull it together, and atleast do an impression of the player he once was, but to be fair, he has been on a progressive downward slope for a couple of years now. That signals some form of terminal decline, normal loss of form doesn't last that long.

That said, IMO there's no reasonable hope of him being dropped this season, that much is pretty evident right now, and has been for a while. Van Gaal doesn't yield the power at United that Fergie did. He has benched captains in the past, but the likes of Van Bommel at Bayern aren't good examples, he was always an outsider. Rooney's stature at United would match someone like a Lahm at Bayern. Van Gaal isn't going to take him head on, he seems publicly enamored with him, and given Rooney's political influence in the dressing room, benching or even rotating him in and out of the starting XI might backfire, especially when we don't have a great alternative for the role he plays (Ander is a midfielder and Louis prefers hybrid strikers as the point forward).

Let him ride this season out, then transfer list him in the summer. Always better to pull the bandage in one quick stroke, than delaying the inevitable. As long as he stays at the club, there'll always be a fanfare to start him given his influence, or public outcry whenever his replacement's level of play dips, to go with the commercial pressure. That #10 position which he occupies is arguably the most fundamental of Van Gaal's teams. And Rooney is in no way doing that position due justice, he's even teetering on the edge of becoming a major liability. Cut the cord at the end of the season, sell him, let him join the MLS or another European club for his final hurrah, then buy a top notch replacement who can contribute from the get go.
That's fair enough, but it looks that we are playing well and have some genuine chances of winning the league (or even going far in UCL). However, not by constantly playing with 10 players every game. At the moment, Rooney is more contributing to the other teams by losing chances, stopping counterattacks and giving the ball cheaply away than our team.

Dare I say it, he's a bigger liability for us than Gerrard has ever been for the Scousers. And Gerrard was a really big liability last season.
 

Thanks. As i remembered everybody around was "o feck" but he put that look on and wrote something. I thing Rooney could be soon dropped and he would be one of the first subs if Herrera would be on the bench.
 
Nothing will happen, he'll continue no matter what.
Only the captain has more privileges but no other player has privileges I think. Every player knows that because you see how I manage my teams. My captain shall always play.

So frustrating because we have good options to replace him.
 
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Drop him. Then sell him.

Yes. Definitely the latter next summer. Drop him for a few games, if motivation is a problem, maybe that might even help. But for the sake of the team, we need to fix the right side and not carry players.
 
That's fair enough, but it looks that we are playing well and have some genuine chances of winning the league (or even going far in UCL). However, not by constantly playing with 10 players every game. At the moment, Rooney is more contributing to the other teams by losing chances, stopping counterattacks and giving the ball cheaply away than our team.

Dare I say it, he's a more liability for us than Gerrard has ever been for the Scousers. And Gerrard was a really big liability last season.

I get that mate. If I were the manager, I'd bench him asap. But Van Gaal most likely won't. It will take something really drastic (I'm talking own goal hat-trick stuff) for Rooney to be dropped, if ever. This season at the very least, maybe that changes in 2016/ 2017.
 
As I wrote in the OP, thats not going to happen!
That's the only solution as LVG has most likely tried most things to get him into form except benching him. SAF knew Rooney was past it when he was going to sell him then dithering Dave came along and bent over for him to have his way!
 
It will take something really drastic (I'm talking own goal hat-trick stuff) for Rooney to be dropped, if ever.

Showing him Wayne's acting in that wine advert should swing it, chief. :D
 


Van Gaal reminded me of that fan who was delighted when he saw the player crash into the stands and fished out his camera there. :lol:

On a serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if he noted the way Rooney took that chance (body shape/technique) and made a note to work on that with him in training later in the week. Rooney sort of snapped at that shot, and could have executed more smoothly, I thought.
 
Man, Albert looked like he was about to scream. It's good the camera cut away.

Also, think this encapsulates the miss.
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An on form Falcao would have been an asset too. We should have just played him forever too.

Yeah that was my point :rolleyes:

Completely different situations. Rooney is club captain and has been here for over a decade, so obviously he would get more time to regain form.

Falcao was a loanee coming off a very bad injury. Rooney has had bad periods of form in the past, has he came through them by playing or by being dropped?
 
He's finished and anyone who posts on here saying otherwise after games against the likes of Ipswich are delusional.

It's like playing with 10.
 
I can understand you can lose power and pace as a player, but he seems to have lost his appetite and bite as a player.

A few games out of the team might hurt his ego and might help some of his spark back.
 
...especially when we don't have a great alternative for the role he plays (Ander is a midfielder and Louis prefers hybrid strikers as the point forward).

Key point right there.

I honestly don't think LVG will think twice about taking Rooney on, as it were, if his performances start affecting our results (and I maintain that they haven't actually done that) but as it stands he doesn't have an obvious alternative. People on here keep banging on about Mata or Herrera in that role - but this isn't realistic at all given LVG's actual system and preferences.

The one who could displace Rooney is Memphis - but it seems LVG has given up on that experiment, at least for the time being.

Final point, I largely agree with your analysis regarding Rooney's stature at the club and in the dressing room - but two things could be mentioned in that context:

1. LVG will drop Rooney if he thinks this will win us football matches. I can't doubt that.

2. Rooney, in contrast to - say - Stevie G at Liverpool (or pretty much any player you can think of in that category) is not a hugely popular figure with the fans. Woody and the board are presumably aware of this too. He's marketable, certainly, but he isn't the very image of Manchester United in the same way Gerrard was for Liverpool (or, again, similar figures). He should have been, one could say - but he simply is not. And this will make it easier to drop him if it comes to that.
 
Dropping him would perhaps be the best thing for the team short term.

But it's possible Van Gaal thinks he needs to play to regain form. And an on form Rooney is an asset, so it's sort of catch 22.

I personally doubt he will get back to his best on the bench or in the U21's.

Again, what exactly is an in form Rooney? What is his best?

When was the last time we saw an in form Rooney for more then 2 or 3 games here and there? What is this mythological 'best' that Rooney needs to be in the team to get back to? His form around 2010/2011?
 
Herrera, Fellaini or Mata as 10..

Yeah, I seriously don't get any calls for Fellaini to be included in the first XI. He's nowhere near good enough to fit into our style of play. Yes Rooney has had the touch of a tree for a while now, but the answer to that is not to replace him with another one. Fellaini has great qualities for the right team, but not ours, not as a starter anyway. And dare I say it, he doesn't win nearly enough aerial duels as he should.
 
Get rid in the summer for me.

There's not a better alternative right now and I think benching him would cause more problems than solve at the moment.
 
I've been hearing this a lot, both on here and in the media, but to me it just sounds like a cliche with no substance.

Because, what is an 'in form' Wayne Rooney? When was he last in form? When was he last a top top player? His last outstanding season was 5 years ago. He's been patchy ever since then, and getting worse and worse. When did he last have even a good season? Fergie's last season he got dropped by the end, he had a good start to Moyes' season then tailed off and became as crap as everyone else, last season he was decent at best with the odd very good performance, thats three years right there.

I don't think there is such thing as an 'in form' Rooney anymore tbh. Because even a in form Rooney isn't that great. You'll get a handful of good performances, and that's about it.

I keep reading this on here, at best its exaggeration and at worst its revisionist bullshit.

He was pretty good in 2012-13, sure he took a back seat to RVP who was in the form of his career but there's no shame in that. And he got dropped towards the end for falling out with Fergie because of the whole alleged transfer request nonsense.

Under Moyes he was probably our best outfield player, 20 goals and performed well enough considering the form the team was in and the fact the rest of the squad played like dog shit almost to a man all season.

Last year he wasn't that bad out of position in midfield up until Xmas, did well between January-March up front and then was poor from the Chelsea game onwards as were the rest of the team to be fair.

So hardly 3 years mate, more like 6 months including the summer break.
 
I would love for Rooney to be back at his best, but I don't see it. Physically, he looks done. Shades of RVP last season imo.

Personally I don't even think he's out of form. I think this is just the player he is at the moment. It's becoming more and more apparent for me.
 
Alternatively, I don't think I can stand watching Marouane tip-toeing around like a bloke fresh from the shower on a wet floor. He plays like he's wearing slippers.
 
Again, what exactly is an in form Rooney? What is his best?

When was the last time we saw an in form Rooney for more then 2 or 3 games here and there? What is this mythological 'best' that Rooney needs to be in the team to get back to? His form around 2010/2011?

fecking hell, replying to the same post twice. Calm down mate :lol: