Good post, nice to see some logic in this thread.
How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?
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Good post, nice to see some logic in this thread.
Well, yeah. With all the chances he's missing and all the counterattacks he is stopping, he is contributing to the defense of the other team quite a lot.
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12/13 - Pretty good but dropped by the end of the season
13/14 - Best player in a team that finished 7th (and I'd highly question that anyway)
14/15 - A good 2 month period
Thats not the form of a top player. Its not even close, and anyone that believes it is is making major major exceptions for him because his name is Wayne Rooney. Face it, he hasn't had a season worthy of top player status since 2010. Since then he's had patches of great form, patches of average form, and patches of terrible form. And those patches of great form have been getting less and less.
This 'in form' Rooney that people talk about him getting back to simply doesn't exist anymore. At least not for more then a handful of games per season. He simply can't play at that level for any longer then that. Frankly, he's just not worth the hassle for those few performances anyway. There's probably at least 20 other players in the PL that would offer more then Rooney does now.
It's a very interesting conundrum. Given the speed at which LvG relieved RvP of his striking duties at United, I'd bet he's not oblivious to the complete lack of contribution from his captain.
There's clearly a much deeper structural/hierarchical problem with regard to Rooney's role in the team that's hindering his transition to the bench.
There's clearly a much deeper structural/hierarchical problem with regard to Rooney's role in the team that's hindering his transition to the bench.
Give Mike the armband, rotating with Bastian & Carrick as VC since I don't think Bastian will be starting every match.
Start the most effective player for that role on the field, which at the moment Rooney isn't.
Start the most effective player for that role on the field, which at the moment Rooney isn't.
Then why hasn't he yet with Rooney? He's had more than enough reasons to do so.
I honestly think that he just loves Rooney way too much to ever consider dropping him.
Yup. That sequence from after our last match said it all: Louis fondly pointing out that Wayne had jelly and ice cream on his face.
Get Jones to crop him in training?
LVG will inevitably give up on him if he keeps playing like this. He's not stupid.
5 years now is it? Why stop there lol.
Seriously though 2011-12 he was great, what was it 36 goals and 15-16 assists. You can say he hasn't set the world alight over the last 3 years and i would agree but even his harshest critic would have to admit there has been extenuating circumstances. 3 different managers, shifted around in position and a team very much in transition.
And even at that he has still produced good numbers in terms of goals and assists. I can remember as far back as 2011 discussing Rooney and how he often doesn't seem to be playing well but keeps producing goals and assists. He's pretty much always been like that. Granted he has rarely been as bad as the last 6 months, in fact only now and in late 2010 after the SA world cup has he been this bad.
But he came through it back then to regain form and hopefully he will do so again, we just need to have a bit of patience with him. If at the end of the season he's still playing like this then we will know he truly is done as a top player and LVG will have a decision on his hands.
Feck
We've all done it mate.
Beckham was also asked who he most enjoys watching in the competition and this time, all of his suggestions are involved.
Becks: "On the England side, I think I'd have to say Wazza. Wayne is playing so well for United and he's had a good start to the season so we'll see."
bless you lad
Becks: "On the England side, I think I'd have to say Wazza. Wayne is playing so well for United and he's had a good start to the season so we'll see."
bless you lad
Give captaincy to Smalling, then he can be dropped like any other player.
Bench him. We go from there.
I've wanted to defend rooney, thought he'd kick off after the hat trick against brugge (albeit it was an injury ridden side), but so far he's failed to justify playing for us, let alone being even close to justifying his 300k per week wage.
Either sell him or tell him that he is a squad player at best, doesn't contribute near enough for him to be a starter.
Does Van Gaal not drop his captain whatsoever? There is gotta be some sort of benchmark all players have to meet to keep their position in the team. I do not dislike Rooney, but right now based on his performances the most appropriate position for him is the bench. Shades of RVP from last season. Won't be surprised if he is moved on come next season.
Hope I am wrong and he does a complete U-turn with his performances.
Hope I am wrong and he does a complete U-turn with his performances.
He's always been patchy. Maybe he'll hit a half decent patch at some point, despite his obviously worse skillset compared to past years.
Lets face facts any other player performing in the way Rooney has would be dropped but Rooney is too close to the club's scoring record to be sold or even dropped so for me the quicker he achieves that goal the better. Rooney was never a highly skilled player, it was more about his work-rate and teamwork. His die-hard fans are making him out to be something I am not sure he ever really was, main man material. If he could accept a supporting role with Martial as the main man then I am sure he could still be useful to the team but his focus would have to be linking up with Martial rather than getting the ball over to the right wing in anticipation of meeting the cross in the box.
For his standing in the club right now it's ridiculous how bad he is. He looks finished as a premier league footballer. When was the last time he did anything that had people saying "only Wayne Rooney could do something like that", and before every starts pointing out things like missing open goals, giving away possession easily, having no first touch, strength or pace, I'm actually after positive examples!!
Give him a week off, maybe his missus is having a difficult pregnancy, he has the look of a man having problems elsewhere. A week off, then a week or 2 to get back 100% match fit might be just whats needed. Will give Wilson a chance to get some game time also.
Man the only thing patchy is his hair, he's never been this bad. It's not even a question of giving him minutes to build up his fitness, he's burnt out. Rooney is playing like he's injured, he's slow on the ball and isn't even working hard now. Even in some of Rooney's worst performances he ran his ass off the whole game and tried. He looks like he physically can't do it anymore. This is no blip, Wayne is not linking or play well, doesn't oppose a real attacking threat and never looks like troubling a keeper anymore. I think this will be Rooney's last year playing regular at United if at all next year, captain or not. Martial is making him look old and obsolete. I have disliked Rooney since he wanted away but even I feel sad for how quickly he's declined.
I think we will reach a point where LVG will have to think of the of the team going forward. I cannot see how Wayne Rooney can change everything to his game that he's missing presently. Positioning, speed, tempo on the ball, touch, tackling, passing, pressuring opponent's, bringing people in to play. It's all lacking and I hope I'm wrong but can't see it coming back. Time will tell and we have big games coming up to prove himself, maybe Rooney can keep his critics quiet including me. I will be happy for him do that if means United benefit, can't see how at this present time though.
I could see PSG doing it. Not for a massive fee, but assuming Ibra indeed leaves, he would give them a replacement from a prestige perspective and positionally, as a player to rotate with Cavani.
Other than that, maybe an Italian side wouldn't realize his legs have gone yet. Or MLS, though he'd have to be ready for that.
Madrid as the perpetual Benzema backup 9 they've been looking for since Higuain left?
Mysterious injury to save face for both manager and player and we can drop his ass.
That's bollocks, Rooney isn't as important to the club as Raul was to Madrid in our history. Giggs/Scholes maybe, but not Rooney.
I think he was as bad or maybe even worse for the first half of 2010-11 when the whole transfer request debacle happened and his Dad was arrested. Jesus he was awful for a few months back then, he went like 7-8 months without scoring from open play i think.
Edit. He went from March 2010 to January 2011 without scoring from open play. Think about that for a second, puts even his current piss poor form into perspective.
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He's had stretches where he's been worse on the ball than this, for sure, but I don't remember him looking so immobile and heavy legged. At the moment, RVP would be starting instead of him. If we're going to play an immobile 10 at least RVP would finish chances and possess an immaculate first touch.
Herrera has to start against Arsenal if healthy, and if not, I have no idea.
Rooney just recovered from injury. He takes about 4 to 5 matches to get back into the groove. So this is not surprising.
Nothing wrong with rooney. The team around him are more capable with the ball than he has ever been so its making look like cement. When you see martial today by the corner flag drifting past 3 players at the speed of light- rooney looks incapable.
However; like schweinsteiger - rooney has things to teach here; just not worth the wages anymore but i doubt any club would pay that anyway.
However; like schweinsteiger - rooney has things to teach here; just not worth the wages anymore but i doubt any club would pay that anyway.
Is the captaincy the real stumbling block, or is it just an easier excuse masking something that could perhaps be written into his contract/verbal agreement with the board, etc?
Sign Muller - My guess is that this method of solving 'the Rooney problem' is already in progress.
In the meantime, I do hope Wayne starts banging them in soon - this drought of his has gone on long enough.
In the meantime, I do hope Wayne starts banging them in soon - this drought of his has gone on long enough.
This. Mata and Herrera deserve a run in the number 10 slot more. He can only be average for so long.
13/14 Season, Rooney wasn't our best player, De Gea was. Rooney was good in the first half season when Moyes gave him that big fat contract, in the 2nd half he was dogshit like the everyone else.
Sorry but the last 2 matches Rojo could have played LB instead of this waste of space.
Rojo been injured the last couple of games.
He also said this:Beckham was also asked who he most enjoys watching in the competition and this time, all of his suggestions are involved.
Becks: "On the England side, I think I'd have to say Wazza. Wayne is playing so well for United and he's had a good start to the season so we'll see."
bless you lad
Rooney is awful defensively and your agenda against Herrera is laughable.
Just throwing this out there: what about moving Depay back to the 10 spot, putting Young on the wing and benching Rooney? I don't recall Depay looking great there at the beginning of the season, but you wonder if he might not offer more dynamism than Rooney. Or conversely, what about putting Young in for Rooney? This all sounds desperate, but then again, Rooney's form has been desperate this season.