How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?
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Interesting thanks for sharing that, who said he would have scored 30+ goals playing upfront btw?
Yup, but I can understand LVG being a bit wary to do it so early in the season. Last time he was dropped he told SAF he wanted to leave. Maybe LVG is worried about the potential dressing room impact dropping him might have. We'd probably be better off selling him as I don't see Rooney being happy sitting on the bench.
So we resort to play him where he does least damage to the team now?
Maybe its the RVP treatment, whereby he will keep on playing him, then near the end of the season tell him that he will be benched or is free to leave. I hope so anyway.
I thought that this idiotic notion would have died down by now, seeing as when he was eventually played as striker, he actually put even worse performances, it was around the same time Gary came out with that silent domination nonsense..he got the majority of his goals at 10 last season..thats hardly midfield...its the same position he is playing now, just with only one striker ahead of him instead of two.
Oh i have no doubt he would have been sold had Fergie stayed on. My memory of that series of events isn't perfect. But i remember that whole episode coming from Rooney being dropped for Welbeck vs Real which was for tactical reasons. And Rooney not taking it very well.
I don't remember him being as bad as he is currently around that period.
But of course none of this negates the fact he was still pretty good for large parts of that season.
If that's what's in LvG's head now or that's what he's up too, he can head off along with Rooney then too. Because that word be pure prick acting.
Continue to not perform and you'll be dropped simple as that. Or next week you'll have half a dozen players fall into the comfort zone of not giving a shit.
Drop him. Falcao and RVP were dropped for less
Problem with this point is that BFS and Smalling are better candidates as captains atm. I would take the captaincy off him. Then he won't get those privileges. He isn't earning them on any level.
I dont understand all the fuss about the penalties, the pundits and commentators wouldnt stop going on about it last night, but we have had this rota for penalties for quite a while now, there is nothing surprising about it.
I was thinking swapping him and Mata around for a bit might be an improvement - certainly Mata is one of our most effective players at the moment so it makes sense to put him in his favourite position. Rooney can do a job on the wing.
In another Rooney thread a week or so ago I was speculating about whether Rooney might have the captaincy written into his contract. Or if not, perhaps a clause demanding he plays if fit - or plays a certain number of games. Would there be a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Would it be legally workable?
I agree with the general sentiment in this thread: he needs to be dropped. And I think, unless there is something in the above and we actually legally cant drop him - and I dont know how likely that is - he will be if things dont change soon. Having said that, I do think people are being a bit quick to write him off entirely. I wouldnt bet against him having a resurgence and proving a few people in here wrong. But the longer this goes on, the less conviction I have saying that.
I was thinking swapping him and Mata around for a bit might be an improvement - certainly Mata is one of our most effective players at the moment so it makes sense to put him in his favourite position. Rooney can do a job on the wing.
In another Rooney thread a week or so ago I was speculating about whether Rooney might have the captaincy written into his contract. Or if not, perhaps a clause demanding he plays if fit - or plays a certain number of games. Would there be a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Would it be legally workable?
I agree with the general sentiment in this thread: he needs to be dropped. And I think, unless there is something in the above and we actually legally cant drop him - and I dont know how likely that is - he will be if things dont change soon. Having said that, I do think people are being a bit quick to write him off entirely. I wouldnt bet against him having a resurgence and proving a few people in here wrong. But the longer this goes on, the less conviction I have saying that.
Isn't this the problem, all these ex United players saying how well he is playing when he clearly isn't. It's like one giant clique.Beckham was also asked who he most enjoys watching in the competition and this time, all of his suggestions are involved.
Becks: "On the England side, I think I'd have to say Wazza. Wayne is playing so well for United and he's had a good start to the season so we'll see."
bless you lad
Replace him if he doesn't perform at number 10. We would have no use for him...
If we allowed a captaincy clause in his contract it is utter stupidity. If that is the case then Jones injuring him training really is the only option.
He would be one terrifyingly ugly woman.
It's almost touching how the club, let alone its supporters, remains in thrall to the once and future king, the boy wonder who had the impact of a hurricane back in the mid-90's. Indeed, it-
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Possibly. The ideal would be to drop him for a few games. But as I mentioned in my post, it isn't an easiest option to take for Van Gaal. He's placed a lot of trust in him and has talked him up as a captain several times.
Think majority agree he's definitely not captain material (on the pitch anyway) - would like to think we'd keep him though but get another top striker to play with Martial. Rooney's still more than good enough for certain games and we should really have 4 strikers in our squad
re RVP treatment - the problem with Rooney is he's only halfway through his mega contract and don't see anyone paying what we'd want for him plus match his wages. Fed up of United paying players to leave even when they get bought by other clubs (chica, evans, RVP to name a few)
Utter, utter stupidity. And under normal circumstances I wouldnt imagine us getting ourselves into that situation. But he had us over a barrel at that moment, we simply couldnt afford to lose him that summer, there was too much else going on. Clearly Moyes wanted to do whatever it took to keep him. So maybe that is what it took.
Stop. There's no captaincy clause in his contract ffs. LVG wouldn't have gone through that ridiculous captaincy audition process if the clause existed.
Have you not seen their line up?!He would be one terrifyingly ugly woman.
Well that's a relief.
In that case, Im sure Van Gaal will lose patience sooner or later and give the captaincy to someone else. We have several good options already. Id give it to Smalling or Schweinsteiger and be done with it.
Give captaincy to schweiny, bench rooney for rest of season if he wants to sulk and whinge just let him
When next transfer window opens feck rooney off to some MLS team. Someone will be stupid enough to pay him a ridiculous wage like they do to gerrard and lampard.
When next transfer window opens feck rooney off to some MLS team. Someone will be stupid enough to pay him a ridiculous wage like they do to gerrard and lampard.
It's hard to know if it's because he's been here a decade and one of the few constants. The younger players clearly look up to him and given his career, rightly so. He's the England captain so he's got added influence there. And he gets all these nice foreign players speaking highly of him.
I think he has it in him to play a hell of a lot better than he's done this season, but he needs to be sat on the bench and fuming, the fire is gone. I also think that his start to the season is similar to a bad episode of faking it (not that I've seen it, I just imagine it's an imposter type show).
It could also be that those people around him are seeing that he's been like fish out of water and are rallying around him, bigging him up in the hope that he becomes a footballer again. Who knows...
Crragher was exactly right a couple of weeks ago. He needs to have a good look at himself and sort himself out.
The media always have an excuse for him......He doesn't get support, he should be upfront alone, he should be number 10, he needs a striker off him, he needs pace around him....bla bla bla.
Typical scouser......never his fault.
Well Martial has shown him how to play upfront, mata has shown him that games can be influenced playing away from your favourite position.
He's very lucky Di Maria has gone as if he was still here there would be genuine quality enough not to have him in the side. The problem now is the only real fit alternative is fellaini or risk perieria?
The media always have an excuse for him......He doesn't get support, he should be upfront alone, he should be number 10, he needs a striker off him, he needs pace around him....bla bla bla.
Typical scouser......never his fault.
Well Martial has shown him how to play upfront, mata has shown him that games can be influenced playing away from your favourite position.
He's very lucky Di Maria has gone as if he was still here there would be genuine quality enough not to have him in the side. The problem now is the only real fit alternative is fellaini or risk perieria?
Nah, you're detailing half truths in my opinion,
He was benched in Sir Alex last season for playing gash, only then did the subject of a potential transfer request pop up.
In Moyes season he was our best outfield player for the first half of the season, yep agreed, but over the second half of the season post new contract his level had dropped off largely yet again.
His form has been very erratic for the past 3 or so years, and I don't think it's unfair to state his mediocre/poor performances are now begining to outweigh his decent outings each year passing. At some point this needs to be addressed, surely.
I actually agree with you, but I sympathize with Lvg here...remember how the media got when he sold Welbeck...dropping Rooney will be 10 times worse...they will hound whoever his replacement and after every poor perfomance you'll get them asking whether Rooney would have won us the game instead and all that nonsense....Lvg may not have enough leverage to do that.
Funny thing is I bet van Gaal is having even more difficult time thinking about what to do with Rooney. No way he thinks everything is fine.
I like the MLS's reputation as an elephant's graveyard for football.
Chop off his right leg, give it Shaw in exchange for some youthful hormones and jobs a good'en. Shaw will have a brand new right leg and Rooney will have a mullet growing in no time, everyone's happy.
I dont think he will want to sit on the bench, hasnt taken well to that in the past , he'll just sulk and that creates a negative vibe around the team, esp as he has a lot of influence in the dressing room.
As for the financial losses, lets take one large huge hit but improve our team. Thing of the financial rewards of trophies by having a world class 10...
- Hire henchmen to escort David Moyes to the front door of every Man Utd supporter on the face of the planet so he can apologise for offering Rooney the most ridiculous contract world football has ever seen.
- Makes Rooney come down from his ivory tower and watch like-for-like comparisons of him playing 5 years ago Vs him playing in recent seasons and have a long hard look at himself.
- Takes the armband off Rooney and gives it to Schweinsteiger - the obvious leader on the pitch and player ultimately worthy of being Utd Captain on current form.
- Install an electric shock buzzer in the seat of Rooney's pants so that every time he passes backward he gets a shock. (optional additional settings for a shock every time Rooney reaches for a cigarette/pie/granny)
- Increase the wattage of said buzzer everytime Rooney cries to the referee.... EVERY... SINGLE... GAME! (yes I know he's captain, but it's not the ref's fault he's so poor these days)
- Sub Rooney when he's playing bad (every game this season bar his hat-trick). He's clearly not going to bench him, but at least have the cahonies to swallow his arrogant pride and bring off the worst player on the pitch.
- Bench Rooney, play Hererra in number 10.
He was benched for a grand total of 4-5 games and not all in a row.
What came first the dropping or the asking to leave i'm not sure, bit of a chicken and egg situation as i doubt anyone but those involved know for sure.
Well he wasn't as good in the second half of the season under Moyes i agree but the entire teams form fell off a cliff. Still he wasn't as bad as he currently is as some are claiming in here.
I don't really disagree with you there mate, his performances have been up and down over the last 3 years but then he's always been like that hasn't he. He goes on runs of good form then periods of being a bit meh, he's always been streaky to an extent.
I'm not disputing the possibility that the bad might now be outweighing the good either. I am only disputing what i see as pure revisionism when people try to claim he has been poor for 4-5 years now, which in my opinion just isn't true.
Considering he's been operating in such a psychically demanding league since he was 16, I think its fair to say the end will come quicker for Wayne than some. He doesn't have a special football brain like Giggs to compensate for he's rapidly diminishing physical abilities.
He wasn't terrible, it's just the frustration of watching him these days.
And that starts with giving Smalling the armband. I completely agree with you.
I certainly think the MLS the most likely destination for Rooney, it would surely be the easiest destination for him from a cultural perspective, he doesnt have to worry about a new language or small food portions or anything like that. Itd presumably be a relatively easy sell to his family. And there would be teams out there willing to fork out for him, it would make sense from a commercial perspective.
Sums up a lot of the things we have been saying about him:
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/off-colour-rooney-pushing-his-captains-privileges?
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/off-colour-rooney-pushing-his-captains-privileges?
I don't believe for a moment Moyes would've been the one responsible for the contract. He wouldn't have been allowed that much control.
The ultimate fix can't take place until the summer but LvG's most immediate option is to give Smalling the armband and make Rooney actually compete for a starting spot.
It wouldn't be a good sign if the decision makers or in this case LvG would let the media or what they might say or think, worry him.
I'd say Rooney himself would fully understand why, if he was dropped for a few games now at this stage.
A good long chat in a corner with himself could do him the power of good.
As depressing as that is, its probably true. Unless we can convince someone like PSG to sign him as a marquee signing. Maybe Monaco or something.