I don't watch MLS but from what I've heard about it I think this might be going a bit far.
How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?
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Without doubt our worst player this year. Hopefully LvG and Ed are already working on bringing in replacements because i don't think we can phase him out it will have to be a short and brutal execution imo if we want to avoid the kind of drama we have seen with Terry, Gerrard etc....
He's looking to solve it with game time. His patience isn't infinite however and I have no doubt that LVG will drop Rooney if he doesn't start contributing more soon. He seems to like Rooney's character but our jovial egotist likes winning more.
I also think that Rooney's deficiencies have been made all the more glaring with Martials emergence, a striker you feel genuinely excited by as soon as the ball is played anywhere near him, instead of wincing in advance of a poor first touch. A striker who strives to make his mark on a game with direct runs at opposition defences as opposed to labouring on the periphery of matches. I ultimately think his signing could prove the end game for Rooney. He'll probably do just enough remain a first teamer this season, but the expections bar has been restored for a Manchester united centre forward now following two seasons where Rooney had been the sweetest smelling turd in the garden.
I also think that Rooney's deficiencies have been made all the more glaring with Martials emergence, a striker you feel genuinely excited by as soon as the ball is played anywhere near him, instead of wincing in advance of a poor first touch. A striker who strives to make his mark on a game with direct runs at opposition defences as opposed to labouring on the periphery of matches. I ultimately think his signing could prove the end game for Rooney. He'll probably do just enough remain a first teamer this season, but the expections bar has been restored for a Manchester united centre forward now following two seasons where Rooney had been the sweetest smelling turd in the garden.
The only silver lining to this situation is that the more Rooney continues to stink it up, the more likely Herrera is to eventually becoming a regular in the #10 position.
I believe Januzaj was played to see if he had what it takes per LVG's assessment. He didn't, and was thus sent on loan.
The fact multiple players have been trialled there actually tells you that LVG is displeased with what each player has done there given they are then either back out of the team or played elsewhere.
The problem for LVG then becomes the need for two players up top and not just one. If he's not happy with the #10's, he's going to try someone else there. I think that Martial coming in as a #9 enabled him to put Rooney there. If we had a strong #10, I'm not sure Martial would've enjoyed the playing time he's had with him instead coming on for the subbed #10 and Rooney dropping back instead, or Mata coming out and Martial subbing in for him.
That's my guess, anyway.
@rimaldo: you cracked me up with your comparison 
Fair enough. We wont ever know. But if Martial wouldn't have been getting the playing time he is - given his performances, there would be bedlam on this forum.
Good points in last paragraph.
Yes. Things have turned out for the best where Martial is concerned.
Can't see him getting dropped, although I can see this being Wayne's last season here if there isn't a marked improvement in the coming months.
Its ridiculous really, any other player and he would have been dropped a couple games ago.
No player is bigger than the club, but it really feels like Rooney's getting preferential treatment. Honestly that wouldn't bother me as such if he were a Ronaldo/Messi type of elite player that was pivotal to the club, but the fact that he's actually a full on liability to our attack just adds further insult to injury.
Drop him ffs.
No player is bigger than the club, but it really feels like Rooney's getting preferential treatment. Honestly that wouldn't bother me as such if he were a Ronaldo/Messi type of elite player that was pivotal to the club, but the fact that he's actually a full on liability to our attack just adds further insult to injury.
Drop him ffs.
Post was edited to possibly before contract.
Rooney has shown repeatedly that he is. Whatever the feck it means that.
God save us if Rooney will be here until 2019. He'll likely be 120kg and unable to run by then. I would be very surprised if he'll be playing, let alone playing for is in 2019.
The contract is a red herring in terms of team selection. If Van Gaal concludes that Rooney is now in Van Persie/Falcao territory, then it should be an easy decision for Woodward to take the short term hit by agreeing a settlement to terminate his contract while bringing in a new talent to refresh the attack and add more glamour. That has to be the better option than having a rapidly declining player as the top earner due to the utter cluelessness of our previous manager.
We've been through plenty of arguments and none of them stand up. He needed to play up front - he did nothing up front. He needed to play behind the striker, he's done nothing behind the striker. He needed a goal - he scored and it didn't make any difference. He needed games, he's had games.
The last argument is complacency so, if Herrera is fit, drop him against Arsenal. If we do OK without him, he has to fight to get his place back. He's had more than enough chances.
The last argument is complacency so, if Herrera is fit, drop him against Arsenal. If we do OK without him, he has to fight to get his place back. He's had more than enough chances.
This.
The fact this thread and ones like it exist should tell you all you need to know. A player in his wage bracket doesn't perform like this,he is stealing a living from the club. We need to say thank you and goodbye.
Rooney can't give half of what Memphis is doing at the moment.
There is nothing in LVG's CV, or his time as our manager, to suggest that he shirks the big decisions. If Wayne underachieves this season, and the manager thinks the decline is permanent, then I've no doubt that Rooney will go the way of Van Persie et al next summer.
Pretty sure we are stuck with him until he goes past Charlton's record.
I think we are stuck with him until we have a new marketing gem. I just don't buy that LvG is happy with his performances. If he was he would still be playing at striker. He is basically shoehorning him at this point and I'm sure there are some off pitch reasons to do so. Rooney should be dropped. If we all see it I'm sure LvG sees it as well.
Well, Rooney records for 2013 was like 16 goals for 37 games in the season in 2013. How is that "dropping"? It's a few games but nothing more.
I don't think SAF or LVG think Rooney is on the down, he must show something particular at the training. Now when you shoot and the ball goes wide, sometimes, until it comes back, there's not much you can do as a football player. Just practice and try again, simply.
I do not find the original txt of Invictus that fortitude quoted some posts before but the story about van Bommel is wrong. MvB at that time was the absolute center of that dressing room. He had a special relationship to the young ones, was best friend to Robben and had a special relationship to Ribery. When e.g. the story with that young prostitute got in the open it was van Bommel who spent the night at Riberys house to help. He was a real great captain.
The problem were his performances on pitch. In the long run it probably was good that the change came - but it probably came too early and was not good for the rest of that season.
The problem were his performances on pitch. In the long run it probably was good that the change came - but it probably came too early and was not good for the rest of that season.
How he failed to get that chance on target in a game we are trailing is beyond me. Giggs reaction
And Martial
the guy is making defenders crawl on four limbs.Some of the journos are already questioning if he should be in the team and I saw a report today asking if he should be taken to the Euros. Rooney is loosing his defense here.
My biggest concern with him is he doesn't seem to try. He look disinterested. Rooney of old, even when he's not playing well, you see the wiliness to try.
If we do that we can write off this season because we have reached a point where he is starting to hold the team back massively. We need to drop him and raise the middle finger to our detractors because whatever we do we are never going to be on the right side of anything with them - they will cause a shit storm but it will blow over in a couple of weeks when they fail to get a reaction from us and they will jump onto the next scandal. If we had someone that could actually keep the team ticking over in his role we wouldn't have had to hold on for dear life against Wofsburg.
Au contraire, I think he really tries but he just cannot do it anymore.
Agree with this , he is a bad loser and always tries to get the result but a young Rooney was always about pace , power , strength , aggression and as he has aged he has struggled to adjust and reinvent himself like Giggs , Shearer , Scholes even . A lot of people thought he would be converted into a deeper lying midfielder as he got older but I can`t see that happening either . The worst bits for me are seeing him balloon shots over the bar like the other night , incredibly frustrating . I have always been a Rooney fan by the way so I`m not enjoying this dreadful form , he was a cracking player when he was younger but his form nowadays is sadly affecting the team . There is a program on the BBC this coming week about him and we will no doubt see countless clips of him as a younger player delivering the goods and be reminded just how good he was . It will be very interesting to see how LVG deals with the problem .
I agree with all this, the worst thing for me is not him missing chance like the other night against Wolfsburg. It's the very bad touch that kills many attacking movement or the complaining to the ref when he has been beaten physically by his opponent.
Play him in the League Cup. Also, give the captaincy to Smalling, then drop him.
I'm as fed up of criticising Wayne as I am of the defences proffered for him; I just hope that the recent criticism from all and sundry stings him into playing well and perhaps scoring against Arsenal. Wayne has, traditionally, scored goals in important games so let's hope he proves people like me dead wrong - I'll gladly suffer the tedious 'Have that, you haters!' posts which would inevitably follow.
God loves a trier so I'm told, but Caftards need more!
Which would still be bollocks anyhow. 1 impressive game and 2 years of shit is hardly proving anyone wrong.
He has traditionally done well against Arsenal hasnt he? I seem to remember he had scored more goals against them than any other club, though that stat may be out of date - I might even have made it up completely.
Few comments in this thread suggesting he be moved on come the end of the season. Just out of interest (and so some degree it may answer a lot of questions) where would you see him going???
I still think Rooney will turn it around. Might even start on Sunday. He loves scoring against the gunners.
Local Pie shop? Glue factory?