England player and another Premier League star set to come out as gay

Unlikely lad said:
It's the way he said it. I'm sure he didn't mean to, but "so you can shut up now" sounds like people were accusing him of something bad.

Also, I think you're being very unfair on 19 year olds.
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fair enough re the way he said it, which is why i added that he perhaps could have rejected the accusation a bit differently in the sense of adding something about supporting diversity but he wants to put a stop to the rumours for the sake of him and his family that it isn't him

can't tell if you're joking or not about the 19 year old thing. But i'd say most people at 19 aren't as mature as they are when they 29, hence the "shut up" thing he might not have said had he have been older and been accused of it. Most 19 year olds wouldn't take well to being accused of being gay
 
We need an rvn said:
fair enough re the way he said it, which is why i added that he perhaps could have rejected the accusation a bit differently in the sense of adding something about supporting diversity but he wants to put a stop to the rumours for the sake of him and his family that it isn't him

can't tell if you're joking or not about the 19 year old thing. But i'd say most people at 19 aren't as mature as they are when they 29, hence the "shut up" thing he might not have said had he have been older and been accused of it. Most 19 year olds wouldn't take well to being accused of being gay
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I'm probably biased towards the 19 year olds that are least likely to be bothered by being falsely called gay, but I'd say homophobia is next to being nonexistent at university.
 
Uzz said:
Tbh, if someone accused me of being gay solely by wearing tight jeans I'd be annoyed as well. There is no correlation between wearing tight jeans and being gay (that's why I'm assuming people thought it was Luke Shaw).
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:lol:I presume people base it on more than that, but if some guys are into male, er, grooming, it's seen as synonymous with homosexuality in some quarters.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I haven't commented on this so far, but what I don't get is why print this article? When these lads want to make an announcement, if they will now, then print the story. All the paper has created is loads of unneccesary speculation about who it is. Probably incorrectly as usual. Leading to loads of lads coming out with denials they shouldn't feel obliged to make anyway. Why should anyone have to prove what sexuality they are? It's their business not ours.
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I'm sure you do.

Eyepopper said:
Seriously, I'd say the story is completely made up. I mean the likelihood of their being a few gay players in the league, and probably in the current or former England set up, is probably fairly high but it wouldn't surprise me if they journo knew no more than those speculating in this thread.

Write a bullshit article with some fairly broad statements, and hope that it forces a few to come out and give you some more stories to sell your shitrag paper.

The worst case scenario is no one comes out and you write a story about how intolerant football is to sell your shitrag paper.
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Pretty much what I'm thinking and as far as unscrupulous tabloid schemes go, this ain't a bad one. Create a buzz with some speculative BS, bask in the glory on the off chance it pans out, write another buzzworthy article - this time with the added bonus of sanctimony - if it doesn't. Win-win.
 
Elliott said:
I'm sure you do.



Pretty much what I'm thinking and as far as unscrupulous tabloid schemes go, this ain't a bad one. Create a buzz with some speculative BS, bask in the glory on the off chance it pans out, write another buzzworthy article - this time with the added bonus of sanctimony - if it doesn't. Win-win.
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I didn't, but others have put me in the picture.
 
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Err, what?
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.
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It's newsworthy because although within football in this country we've made progress on issues such as racism (though it's not perfect) since the days of John Barnes having a banana thrown at him, we still have a situation where gay footballers do not feel comfortable being open about their sexuality (for fear of abuse from the terraces, intrusive media coverage or whatever other reason) and this would represent a breakthrough.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Nice to see that's been cleared up then.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Where to start :lol:
 
Forget Spectre, I'll be sitting in this thread waiting for that post to reach the masses.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Should of kept that to yourself.
 
There is no place for any kind of homophobia in football. Or in our modern society in general.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Jesus where to even begin? This is just...it's frightening that you find nothing wrong with what you said.
 
Amethyst said:
It's newsworthy because although within football in this country we've made progress on issues such as racism (though it's not perfect) since the days of John Barnes having a banana thrown at him, we still have a situation where gay footballers do not feel comfortable being open about their sexuality (for fear of abuse from the terraces, intrusive media coverage or whatever other reason) and this would represent a breakthrough.



Nice to see that's been cleared up then.
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You're missing the point. A person's sexuality is irrelevant. One has only to ask at what point in your life you "came out" as being straight.

You didn't. Straight people don't have to come out, but people attracted to the same sex as them do, and should be encouraged to do so?

The best way to combat this nonsense is to stop caring about a person's sexuality either way, rather than encouraging those with a minority sexual preference to come out and talk about it so we can all celebrate. No-one else has to, so why should they?
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
You're missing the point. A person's sexuality is irrelevant. One has only to ask at what point in your life you "came out" as being straight.

You didn't. Straight people don't have to come out, but people attracted to the same sex as them do, and should be encouraged to do so?

The best way to combat this nonsense is to stop caring about a person's sexuality either way, rather than encouraging those with a minority sexual preference to come out and talk about it so we can all celebrate. No-one else has to, so why should they?
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I quite agree with this, unfortunately, we live in the real world, a real world thats been shaped by its history, its prejudices, its hatred and its stigmas. Those who argue, correctly, that being gay is so utterly unremarkable that people shouldn't have to 'come out' forget this.

Do you not think that the fact there is not a single gay player in the Premier League who is open about his sexuality is incredibly indicative of the problems we still face in this respect? You as a straight man might not see homophobia as a problem, but it clearly is.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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"Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or.....hmmm...I need a second analogy.. Eureka!"
 
"I don't mind them poofs, especially the funny ones off Gogglebox, and wot they do in their dungeons is their own business. Mind you, I don't like the ones with sequins on 'em; that's just weird."
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Dear me, what a post.

If you are going to compare to something, rather than use arm or testicle count, perhaps compare to something that is on a similar continuous scale like intelligence.
 
Elliott said:
"Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or.....hmmm...I need a second analogy.. Eureka!"
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I see, you fired off a reply without bothering to read what you were replying to.

If you actually read what I wrote, I'm referring to the fact that gay people are in the minority, which unless over 50% of the population turned gay in the last few minutes is factually correct.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
I see, you fired off a reply without bothering to read what you were replying to.

If you actually read what I wrote, I'm referring to the fact that gay people are in the minority, which unless over 50% of the population turned gay in the last few minutes is factually correct.
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Maybe they all came out in the last few minutes and you didn't notice because you didn't see it as a groundbreaking story.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
Again, nothing controversial was said in my post. Please point out something if you claim there is.
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You claimed gay people aren't normal, in the same way not having all of your limbs or 1 less testicle means you're not normal too - which is just bizarre.
Then you went onto characterise types of gay people, predictably bringing up stereotypes about 'flamboyant' gay guys and then go on to insult them by calling them faggots because your gay friend said it's okay to call them that as if he has the authority on all gay men.
You're trivialising personality traits that aren't exclusive to sexuality and then labeling those who fall under such stereotypes as a faggot. There are camp/flamboyant straight men too.

You don't have to hate gay people, or disagree with their way of life to still be incredibly offensive to them. Grouping them together based on stereotypes then calling them a faggot because of their personality isn't okay. If you truly accept people for who they are then don't judge them based on their personality or lifestyle.
 
Alright, Cristiano Homophobaldo has been given a week's ban so everyone just move along please.
 
He's surely right that not every gay man is all showtunes and chiffon but, otherwise, that was the Rooney's first touch of posts.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
You're missing the point. A person's sexuality is irrelevant. One has only to ask at what point in your life you "came out" as being straight.

You didn't. Straight people don't have to come out, but people attracted to the same sex as them do, and should be encouraged to do so?

The best way to combat this nonsense is to stop caring about a person's sexuality either way, rather than encouraging those with a minority sexual preference to come out and talk about it so we can all celebrate. No-one else has to, so why should they?
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No. The point is that a person's sexuality should be irrelevant, but you only need to look at incidents in football that people have mentioned such as the Le Saux stuff or the way that Brighton's fans face homophobic chants because of their association with the gay community to see that is likely that a player who took the decision to be open about their sexuality would have to face abuse from crowds because of it.

I was about to write the rest of my response but I can see you've been banned for a week so never mind.
 
SteveJ said:
He's surely right that not every gay man is all showtunes and chiffon but, otherwise, that was the Rooney's first touch of posts.
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:lol:

Obviously not every gay man is like that, but to then have a laugh about those who act in a more camp or effeminate manner and teach us that they're known as the 'faggots' was a shocker. But never mind, his gay friend said it was OK so it must be.
 
rednev said:
A woman wouldn't have to be irresistible for me to have a compulsion to ogle the feck out of her in a naked shower situation. I imagine it's the same for gay men and men they shower with. So for that matter, it must be fantastic to be a gay man....I would spend all my spare time in public showers.
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I shower a few times each year in a communal shower at a festival. Both men and women there (all young and healthy too), some of the men are probably gay, big deal. I like to believe I have the decency to not look at the chicks, the same way I'm not looking at anyone in particular when I'm in a men's changing room. Obviously you'll see a pair of tits or an arse but if you ogle it's your own choice and you're a cnut.
 
Seems strange that these players are supposedly being supported by the FA now, yet may not go public for months. The FA leaks like a sieve. Once you've finally taken the decision to come out, it would seem better to do soon after, on your own terms, rather than run the risk of your name being leaked to the press.
 
Cristiano Jonaldo said:
1. Like it or not being gay is not "normal" in the same way that having one arm or one testicle is not normal, because the majority of people are straight, have two arms, and the vast majority of men have two testicles.

2. However, just because it's not the norm doesn't make it a bad thing. If two consenting male adults wish to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home, why should I care? It's not like I'm required to join in.

3. Therefore I don't see this story as particularly ground breaking or even news.

4. That said, I do find flamboyant gays particularly irritating. You know, the type who behave as though their sexuality makes them a form of male female hybrid with an effeminate voice and desire to look and behave as gay as possible often combined with weird colourful hairstyles. Those gays can do one.

5. A gay friend of mine told me that the latter is what faggots are, and that he was gay, but definitely not a faggot. Suffice it to say, he was just as irritated by them as I was :lol:
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Preface: You're slightly trolling - right?

1. What's normal though? Is this similar to the argument that homosexuality isn't 'natural'? Which is of course factually incorrect, given homosexuals exist in all species. You come across as a bit dim right from the off here. At best, you can say homosexuals are a 'variation' of the human species.

2. Fair point - regardless of your hilarious way of expressing it.:lol:

3. Wouldn't it be the first active English player to come out? Kind of is a big deal then, isn't it?

4. This has nothing to do with them being homosexual. You just don't like 'loud' people I gather and don't understand why a man would act that way. There's plenty who would agree with you and they're not homophobic - just don't link it to them being homosexual. It's a preference you have - nothing wrong with that provided you maintain a bit of respect.

5. No surprise there - homosexuals are allowed to dislike anyone, including members of their own 'group'.
 
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