Surely the way he looks (very rough) contributes to this concept. It can be stupid when said like that but I have no doubt it plays a role in that.
Wayne Rooney is a Manchester United great - so why is he not more loved?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Surely the way he looks (very rough) contributes to this concept. It can be stupid when said like that but I have no doubt it plays a role in that.
It's pretty obvious, both back then and now, that SAF did what he thought was best for the club. It's also reasonably obvious that, for similar reasons, he's holding his tongue as regards Rooney; for instance, why else wouldn't he take part in the recent BBC documentary about Wayne, when SAF has been filming with the Corporation around the same time?
Oh - so because he's not very good looking he's considered more street than say...a Beckham or a Ronaldo?
Definitely yes.
A big fat 'I told you so'
A Performance like this
If Rooney is a United "great" then what is Charlton? I think he's been a good servant but nothing more. He's never been the fulcrum of a title winning team. We nearly did it with him in 2010 and 2012 but nothing since then.
That's a tad harsh, considering we should have won the title those years. I agree with your sentiment though - I'm fecking sick of him.
Sums him up for me though. A nearly man. I just hope we do what we did to Van Persie and phase him out, but that will never fecking happen. Why? Because the media would have a field day just because it's Rooney. It was exactly the same when Gerrard was at the end of his rope and people were questioning why he was dropped.
Think the club needs to bite the bullet and ride out the media storm. We need to worry about winning, not catering to the stupid media and Rooney's ego.
United fans have had it in for him ever since he voiced an opinion not so different to theirs. Overnight he changed many fans' opinion of him. He went from fans favourite to fans most hated.
I wouldn't say we started hating him, more that we stopped giving him the benefit of doubt.
Most of our players have never been the fulcrum of a title winning side yet no one would dare question their status at the club. Giggs, Scholes, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, to name but a few.
Can't say I ever threatened to sign for City to get a pay rise.
This season has been the worst of his playing days. But those who already had it in for him have been vindicated.
He needs to be honest with himself. If he cannot shake off this awful form , he needs to call it quits with United and perhaps move to the MLS.
Even so I would still rank him amongst the top dozen players I have seen play for us since the 60s.
He needs to be honest with himself. If he cannot shake off this awful form , he needs to call it quits with United and perhaps move to the MLS.
Even so I would still rank him amongst the top dozen players I have seen play for us since the 60s.
The last three were still shown the door.
You should probably change that to: Can't say I ever tried the PR trick of using fans concerns as an excuse to go to City for ££££. That is, until some of the United firm turned up at my house in black clothes and balaclavas and warned me of the consequences.
I personally don't have a problem with anything he said in regards to the ambition of the club etc those years ago, I myself at the time was very critical in regards to our transfer policy.. As were a lot of others I'm sure.
What I am sick off though is his continues involvement in the team when he offers absolutely nothing. Do I hate him? No, I don't know the bloke.. Do I think it's time for him and the club to take different paths for both their sakes? Yes without a doubt.
Or that.
United fans have had it in for him ever since he voiced an opinion not so different to theirs. Overnight he changed many fans' opinion of him. He went from fans favourite to fans most hated. Just cause they left doesn't really changing their standing at the club. Neville played here forever and he's never a legend in my eyes.
While your first paragraph might be honest from you(don't know you well enough to tell) that's not the case from many fans.
Totally agree with your second paragraph. That's if we can find a suitable replacement in our forward line given that Depay hasn't shown anything of substance yet.
Did you just try to say Red Nev isn't a legend? Do you expect any United fan to share this opinion?
Completely agree.
I did, my boss just looked confused and told me to make her a cup of tea
Don't know, don't really care. There's a level of performance that players we consider legends should've played at, and he certainly didn't. No matter what anyone says or how big a united fan he is. You know, that Cafu, zanetti, Lahm, Maicon, Alves, Thuram level of performance, can't say red nev has ever been there.
He definitely has.
Ronaldo aside, Rio and Vidic were the biggest contributors to our success between 06 and 09. They were monstrous. Even without Ronaldo smashing the goals in, I think they would have won us titles, ironically with Rooney leading the team in attack, but as it stands, Rooney has never been the most important player in a winning attack, never mind a winning team.
Those opinions were of fans concerned with how the team would perform an with the clubs best interest at heart. Rooney couldn't care less. Therein lies the massive difference.
Jesus Christ, every game for this waste of space is a testimonial.
Had enough of him. The armband at half time was the last of it for me. So Steven Gerrard it's hilarious
Had enough of him. The armband at half time was the last of it for me. So Steven Gerrard it's hilarious
Rooney was as big a contributor as them during that era. Truth is, match winners are more important than defenders and he did a hell of a lot of match winning. Disagree about the Ronaldo not scoring thing, Chelsea and Pool also weren't conceding much then, our attack made the difference. Anyways they weren't the fulcrum of the side, Ronaldo was. They were all supporting acts. From Van der Sar. Some of them had real quality (Rooney, Rio, Tevez, Vidic, Evra, Scholes) some were a class below, some were fillers.
Anyway's winning titles is the worst way to judge a player. Robson never played a big part in any title winning side yet is an undisputed legend of the club. Titles are team achievements, no matter how great a player is the rest have to contribute. The fact that we didn't win with rooney leading or having great seasons is down to team-mates and not him. He has no business taking the stick for that. Even if he scores, what if the defenders don't defend well? What's he supposed to do?
Btw we also scored more goals during the seasons he lead the attack than we did during Ronaldo's last season at the club, but he's still to blame? Huh?
Just had a peak at what other United fans have been posting elsewhere - one unhappy soul is trying to get fellow fans to sign a petition to get Rooney out of the club
Some crazy shit that
Some crazy shit that
Hope that is a joke
How didn't he have the clubs best interests at heart? He might not be a fan and all but obviously he wants what's best for the club he plays for at that time. That should go without saying really. The hypocrisy is disgusting really.
Because he became angry and confused when he was dropped for one game because we signed one of the better players he supposedly wanted us to sign. He could not have cared less. What hypocrisy is at play here?
Massive difference between demanding for better signings and using that information publicly for a fecking pay-raise.
Don't lie to yourself, all Rooney is concerned is his wages.
It would rather have helped us in giving him the benefit of the doubt if he didn't make public statements right before a United CL match.
Mate from 06 to 10 we had one of the most ridiculous defensive records in champions league history. Apart from the final in 2009 we did not lose a game between the loss to Milan in April 2007 and May 2009. They were not just supporting actors but just as important as Ronaldo was upfront for us.
Truth be told Rooney was never as good as rio and vidic. He was a great player but never the best in the world in his specific position. And in before the "well he got shafted by Ronaldo and put out wide" excuse... That's because we had better players in those positions!
Thomas mueller is the player that Rooney should have become but never did. World class utility forward.
Exactly. In fact, he had no right to make such a statement public. Not his place to do so. Those concerns should have been shared with the powers that be at the club- not the media. He certainly did not make that statement out of concern - whether anyone wants to believe it or not, he's never given the impression that he cares about the well-being of the club - it's all about Wayne Rooney Inc
And this is the sad truth - Wayne is a second-tier player, and has only fleetingly been world-class. If the opposite were true, then we wouldn't be fondly remembering stunning, match-changing goals against Arsenal and Newcastle from years ago but more recent excellence; we'd be recalling match-winning goals in vital matches; we'd be lauding seasons in which he was the PL's highest scorer or assist-maker; we'd be celebrating his efforts in taking or leading England to semi-finals and finals; we'd not even comment on his suitability as a captain because that suitability would be utterly obvious.
The above is no rewriting of history - it's merely the truth, and no Martin Tyler screaming his surname, no face on a FIFA game cover, and no endless glorification by the media can alter that sad truth.