Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread
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Our best players from the squad were involved today. If you have a problem with the squad then fair enough, I'd agree we need more strength in depth, but I don't think there was a problem with his subs today personally.
It would've injected a hell lot more pace from the left. Also, Pereira can either go down the line or cut inside and has a really decent cross in him. It wouldn't have been an enlightened sub that would've guaranteed a win but it would've improved the tempo of our play in the final third.
i have a problem with the manager.
He's pretty much gone as far as he can with us. The Rooney thing is pissing me off.
Slow and steady is what we are under him. The odd quality game will pop up and get peoples hopes up, but it'll fizzly back to slow and steady again.
Slow and steady is what we are under him. The odd quality game will pop up and get peoples hopes up, but it'll fizzly back to slow and steady again.
You could say the exact same thing for replacing Mata with Lingard on the right though. I think LVG would have preferred the Lingard option to help out with Zaha defensively, who was causing us problems. Mata obviously isn't much help in that department.
Let's be honest: This is the culmination of what van Gaal has put in over the past 18 months. We've got a team that's hard to beat, much more likely to be consistently in the top 4 and he really has transformed the performances of some of our players. I don't think he will deliver anything above and beyond this.
Two tough away games and we should wash off the performance because they gifted us goals? This is what i find annoying about the modern football fan, we beat Everton convincingly where at the time i (like many) thought it was the perfect performance. We defending well, and attacked very well.
Fast forward a few weeks and after a poorish (Palace away is a hard fixture) result lets rewrite history and say the good games were also bad so we can bitch and moan about it!
Well that's fair enough too. I was just picking up on people having a crack at his subs. There wasn't much alternative today imo.OR hes building something where he wants the foundations of the team to be brilliant
Is it me or it just looks like Giggs doesn't believe in the "philosophy"? I wonder why did LVG agree to keep him as assistant? I'd think you'd want everyone on your staff to be on the same page (even if it's a retarded page).
The way he agreed to Giggs being an assistant showed me at the beginning this won't end well.
He's here for the job, his last big paycheck. He doesn't care if he succeeds or not. And he knows Giggs is going to be the next manager and undo everything he's "building". Why really bother, tbf.
The way he agreed to Giggs being an assistant showed me at the beginning this won't end well.
He's here for the job, his last big paycheck. He doesn't care if he succeeds or not. And he knows Giggs is going to be the next manager and undo everything he's "building". Why really bother, tbf.
That's true. Maybe in place of the Bastian sub.
i agree but my point is mashy pea face picked them , bought them , or kept them.
If we take as fact, then Giggs is also spineless for not challenging LVG on this. He'll never be a manager if he just sits there and does what he's told.
Some moan in the other thread about LVG not stalking the sidelines - Giggs doesn't do it either.
Which all just makes me stay with the opinion that Giggs isn't a 'leader' at all.
Looking at Bastian in the second half I think he might have been in the 'yellow' zone
You know, today isn't even a bad result. We've dropped point in fixtures like this under Fergie. But if we're not even going to have a real go at teams what's the point?
Looking at Bastian in the second half I think he might have been in the 'yellow' zone
this zone thing he's created isn't going to go awayThat's the thing. The whole staff think they are billy big bollocks and are too "cool" to go down the touchline.
Its part of coaching to actually COACH your players during the game. Not sit there and chat amongst yourselves whilst writing notes. Fecking ridiculous.
He's an assistant manager. He'll follow Van Gaal's lead, as a good assistant manager should. Just a shame he's being set such a poor example, quite possibly in every aspect of management.
Surely Rooney must be in the red zone by now. He looks fecking gassed out there. Couldn't even get onto Martial's through ball in the first half. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
It's pretty clear, as was with Moyes, that Giggs is just waiting for the job. A nutjob/tinfoil hat man would even suggest Giggs is doing even more than just waiting for the job. But I'm not crazy.
Don't buy that in it's entirety. If Giggs doesn't like what he sees and given his position (assistant manager) is quite high up - we should be hearing murmurs about disagreements between the two (behind the scenes).
If Giggs is just sitting there seething but not actually saying anything, well then he's not likely to be a good manager at all in my view.
I have a little sympathy for him there too, to be fair. He has made some drastic changes to the squad in a very short space of time. It's not like he didn't try to buy more players too. We've all heard the stories about Muller and Neymar. There's no point bringing in lesser players who aren't going to improve the squad, but you can only do so much in the time frame he's been here. We clearly have a much stronger squad then when he arrived.
My criticisms of him lie entirely in his style of play. Not his transfer activity or substitutions.
Time to make LVG sack watch thread. Just 4 ahead of pool now, 4 ahead of spurs with a game in hand for them. He had results going on his side which are now absent. Playing style remains poor, I think we can still mount a title challenge but with a different manager. Playing rooney over and over again is the biggest crime he has committed, many fans have turned on him today. If we lose to cska, i think we will hear first sound of displeasure at Old trafford.
This should be the stats of a single player, not a whole team
ok I'll add - he picks they style of play - at the end. he's going backwards.
I agree that he still has a squad to build; but I'm talking as much about tactical changes as personnel changes. Why not try Mata and Herrera ahead of Schneiderlin, with Young wide right, Pereira or Lingard wide left and Martial up top? If Mata isn't getting any joy drifting in from the right, maybe he'd have joy through the middle. If Herrera isn't getting any joy in the advanced midfield position why not drop him deeper and put Mata ahead?
The only change he made tactically was to swap Martial and Rooney, the formation which clearly wasn't working stayed roughly the same. If we aren't exploiting them out wide we could go 4-4-2 with Rooney and Martial up front and Herrera-Schneiderlin in midfield. We seem to only have one plan B - put Fellaini on and hope he chests the ball down a few times.
Ok now we agree.
Benitez's shit on a stick football at Liverpool or LVG's philosophy? It's a close call.
It's close to a mortal certainty he won't be a good manager, in my view.
We are actually in a very peculiar situation. The next manager should be the right one, it's crucial. And it seems it'll be Giggs. God help us all.
Benitez had Torres at the peak of his powers for most of it.
Any decent manager wouldn't be lacking upfront if he had just spent 250m pounds.
This should be the stats of a single player, not a whole team
And you would even say that the player had a quiet game.
Posted this in another thread, but it will do just as well in here:
If we could find a suitable replacement, I'd happily see the back of him.
I like the guy, but I am so disappointed in him. He's always been an advocate of entertaining football, yet he has a talented team serving up utter dross week in week out. Apart from that brilliant spell in March, we've (in the main) been slow and predictable.
Rooney's dip in form obviously hasn't helped, but I find it difficult to level the blame at the players. They are going out there and following his instructions - the fact we are very hard to beat is testament to that - but do they look like they're enjoying it? Not one bit.
And nor am I.
Apart from dominating possession, do we even have an identity as a team right now? Despite the money we have spent, we are still a couple of players away from a squad that, on paper, is capable of challenging on multiple fronts, but if you are going to play safe, dour and downright boring football and NOT pick up results, will those players we are missing do us any good?
If we could find a suitable replacement, I'd happily see the back of him.
I like the guy, but I am so disappointed in him. He's always been an advocate of entertaining football, yet he has a talented team serving up utter dross week in week out. Apart from that brilliant spell in March, we've (in the main) been slow and predictable.
Rooney's dip in form obviously hasn't helped, but I find it difficult to level the blame at the players. They are going out there and following his instructions - the fact we are very hard to beat is testament to that - but do they look like they're enjoying it? Not one bit.
And nor am I.
Apart from dominating possession, do we even have an identity as a team right now? Despite the money we have spent, we are still a couple of players away from a squad that, on paper, is capable of challenging on multiple fronts, but if you are going to play safe, dour and downright boring football and NOT pick up results, will those players we are missing do us any good?
Van Gaal is mismanaging the team dreadfully at the moment. Needs to buck his ideas up and get the team picking up points again. People will be (reasonably) tolerant of crap football while the team is winning, but grinding out 0-0 draws (and being lucky to do so) is going to see the fans turn against him in large numbers.
He has done ok since he took over and a lot of criticism he gets is unfair but when he won't drop or even substitute a player who is massively under performing and has shifted a better player out wide there isnt much defence for him.