Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances

Back up to £80million this week. At least £73million plus a player. Bad game next week and I'm knocking him down to £25m again.
 
He's England's best young striker and as such I would love us to go for him. Whether he'll ever be world class is hard to say but he's clearly got enough talent to be a 20+ goal striker for years to come, and he has a surprising amount in his locker apart from goals too, so I see him as the ideal Rooney replacement.

Obviously he'll cost a fortune, though.
 
bosnian_red said:
Marital is more talented then Kane. If we get Kane then we'd probably play Martial on the left (left of a front 3 could work brilliantly though). But then what do you do with Memphis? See if he develops as a right sided player? Or we just use a 4-4-2 type formation for most games with Kane and Martial up top, and in the tough games, switch to a 4-3-3 with Martial on a wing.
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Kane can play as a second striker, almost as a #10, he loves to be involved in the build up. And Martial is a very good winger, inside forward. So I think that they can together in a front 3 or as partner in the middle.
 
Martial could also play as a #10 behind Kane in a 4-2-3-1, Bayern had Müller at #10 behind Mandzukic in 12/13 when Kroos got injured and it worked smoothly. A #10 doesn't always have to be a typical Ozil/Silva type player. Martial could get in behind Kane plenty of times in a match with Kane's passing skills.
 
I don't know what games people have been watching but he’s been class every time I've watched Spurs this season he might not have been the most profilic goalscorer this season but his overall play has always been good. He would be a very good replacement for Rooney and can play both as the main striker and as a no10, with him and Martial we would have 2 of the best young forwards and with both being versatile players that can play in multiple positions there would be more than enough playing time for them both.
 
After a bad spell he's going a long way towards proving himself as a very good player.
 
acnumber9 said:
After a bad spell he's going a long way towards proving himself as a very good player.
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You must not have been watching him if you think he's had a bad spell. Fair enough, he wasn't scoring, but his all round game has still been fantastic all season.
 
Carlsen19 said:
You must not have been watching him if you think he's had a bad spell. Fair enough, he wasn't scoring, but his all round game has still been fantastic all season.
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I wouldn't say that at all. I watch a fair bit of Spurs because my mate supports them and while Kane does often play well he was regularly letting himself down with decision making because he was desperate to score.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Bollocks. You might want to compare the goals tally ... never mind taking look at the leagues those goals were scored in.
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It's not. Kane is very, very good but Martial is visibly more gifted with that bit more to his game. It's no slight on Kane.
 
I like him alot, but not only, he is not exactly what we need right now which is players who can run at defence and players with flair people like Sanchez, Douglas Costa or Griezman, secondly the price Spurs will ask, it would be far more sensible to buy someone else.
 
Kag said:
It's not. Kane is very, very good but Martial is visibly more gifted with that bit more to his game. It's no slight on Kane.
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Sorry, but Martial has a lot yet to do to show that he's better than Kane, never mind "much more talented"
 
bosnian_red said:
Marital is more talented then Kane. If we get Kane then we'd probably play Martial on the left (left of a front 3 could work brilliantly though). But then what do you do with Memphis? See if he develops as a right sided player? Or we just use a 4-4-2 type formation for most games with Kane and Martial up top, and in the tough games, switch to a 4-3-3 with Martial on a wing.
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GlastonSpur said:
Even so, the claim that Martial is "much more talented" is very clearly not proved.
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GlastonSpur said:
Sorry, but Martial has a lot yet to do to show that he's better than Kane, never mind "much more talented"
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GlastonSpur said:
Bollocks. You might want to compare the goals tally ... never mind taking look at the leagues those goals were scored in.
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More goals doesn't mean more talented... Martial has a lot more natural ability on the ball, is 3 years younger, quicker. Kane is a better passer and probably has a better shot but with regards to dribbling and his first touch, Martial is far ahead IMO. Though not to say Kane is bad at it at all, just Martial is on the very top level when it comes to dribbling past players and ability on the ball.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Sorry, but Martial has a lot yet to do to show that he's better than Kane, never mind "much more talented"
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I never said he's better as of now. But just by watching him I think it's very obvious that we're looking at a young player of outrageous talent. He can do things with the ball that Kane can't and I think over time we'll see that.
 
Martial is quite clearly more talented than Kane. That doesn't make him the better player though.
 
Skills said:
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Kane: 59 goals in 159 appearances: 37%
Martial: 20 goals in 82: 24%

So Kane so far has scored nearly 3 times as many goals, with a higher goals-per-game percentage. And that's just club goals - in stronger leagues. His international goals tally is also better.

The claim that Martial is better is just plain silly.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Even so, the claim that Martial is "much more talented" is very clearly not proved.
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Actually what makes Martial much more talented is he has the perfect skillset that any striker would dream of, he has pace and dribbling ability of a winger and has striker like finishing, he has the potential to be the best striker in the world and he is still a much a better player than Kane is right now, While Kane's best attributes are obviously his finishing and linkup play, i am always surprised how calm he is on the ball, but in comparison to Martial he doesn't have flair, pace and that explosiveness that every Star striker has.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Kane: 59 goals in 159 appearances: 37%
Martial: 20 goals in 82: 24%

So Kane so far has scored nearly 3 times as many goals, with a higher goals-per-game percentage. And that's just club goals. His international goals tally is also better.

The claim that Martial is better is just plain silly.
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He is more talented though.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Kane: 59 goals in 159 appearances: 37%
Martial: 20 goals in 82: 24%

So Kane so far has scored nearly 3 times as many goals, with a higher goals-per-game percentage. And that's just club goals. His international goals tally is also better.

The claim that Martial is better is just plain silly.
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It's plain silly to bring numbers when since they're so young and had different career trajectories. In any case, Kane is more accomplished and that is natural since Kane has played for longer. Make the same comparison in 5 years and then it'll make sense.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
... Martial ... is still a much a better player than Kane is right now ..
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This totally ignores the goals stats, which is a striker's main purpose. Not to mention that Kane usually contributes hugely to all round play even when he's not scoring.
 
Would love to see him at United, seems to be a Van Gaal type of player too.
 
Let's just buy Kane rather than arguing if he is better than Martial or not...
 
GlastonSpur said:
This totally ignores the goals stats, which is a striker's main purpose. Not to mention that Kane usually contributes hugely to all round play even when he's not scoring.
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This totally ignores any kind of striker that isn't an out-and-out poacher, though. Add to that the fact that Martial spent most of last season being subbed on, and has spent a lot of this one playing on the wing, and suddenly using goals to compare the two comes off as extremely simplistic.
 
The Man Himself said:
Let's just buy Kane rather than arguing if he is better than Martial or not...
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He already craps himself when he's within 20 yards of Chris Smalling twice a year. He'd be doing that all year round then, not very healthy.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Kane: 59 goals in 159 appearances: 37%
Martial: 20 goals in 82: 24%

So Kane so far has scored nearly 3 times as many goals, with a higher goals-per-game percentage. And that's just club goals - in stronger leagues. His international goals tally is also better.

The claim that Martial is better is just plain silly.
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Ah so you'd agree Vardy is a better player then? And that Kane will probably never reach the level of talent Kevin Philips was playing at in 2000?
 
Everest Red said:
... Make the same comparison in 5 years and then it'll make sense.
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If you say so ... but the point is that this silly claim is being made now in this thread, when clearly Martial has a lot more to prove before it becomes even remotely credible.
 
GlastonSpur said:
If you say so ... but the point is that this silly claim is being made now in this thread, when clearly Martial has a lot more to prove before it becomes even remotely credible.
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The claim is that Martial is more talented, I think it's fairly obvious he is.

Is he a better player right now? No, probably not, but he's more talented.

A fairer comparison would be Kane at 19 years old vs Martial now, but we all know you won't do that, for obvious reasons.
 
Why not just play Kane behind Martial anyway? You could have them swapping constantly anyway so I don't see the issue myself.

Anyway, to give an example... I only bothered to look at 4 strikers in the PL

PL Calendar 2015 (i.e. 1st Jan onwards):

Sergio Aguero - 2034mins, 18 goals, 3 pens = 135.6mins per outfield goal
Harry Kane - 2726mins, 22 goals, 4 pens = 151.4mins per outfield goal
Diego Costa - 1609mins, 9 goals, 1 pen = 201.1mins per outfield goal
Wayne Rooney - 2550mins, 6 goals, 1 pen = 510.0mins per outfield goal

22 goals in 2015, even if you remove the 4 pens it's still 18 goals! To put this into perspective... if you remove pens scored from our squad and listed them from highest to lowest in the PL you'd get the following top 4:

Mata - 6 goals
Rooney - 5 goals
Herrera - 5 goals
Fellaini - 4 goals

That's a total of 20 goals, Kane on 18 is only 2 behind our top 4 combined total ffs! Even if you include pens he'd still only be 2 behind.
 
ivaldo said:
Ah so you'd agree Vardy is a better player then? And that Kane will probably never reach the level of talent Kevin Philips was playing at in 2000?
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No. Not least because Vardy has scored 17 goals in the Prem, combined from both last season and this one so far, which is less than Kane scored last season alone. And I don't know, but I'd also guess that a higher percentage of Vardy's goals have been pens.

As for Phillips, he scored a higher percentage of goals per game than Kane, but a great many of his goals were not in Prem. Without doing the maths I'd guess that Kane's Prem goals percentage is higher so far.
 
Watching how Bayern and Arsenal utilize their big strikers ie Lewandowski and Giroud. I think Kane would be a very good signing. He didn't start the season in great scoring form, but if you watched their matches spurs weren't actually creating that many chances for him to score and his confidence dropped. His all round game though is very good and he can score different types of goals. He is a natural striker and I think in a team that creates the chances for him consistently, he will guarantee goals.
 
Cina said:
The claim is that Martial is more talented, I think it's fairly obvious he is.

Is he a better player right now? No, probably not, but he's more talented.

A fairer comparison would be Kane at 19 years old vs Martial now, but we all know you won't do that, for obvious reasons.
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So more talented, but a worse player? Sounds likes double-speak bollocks to me.
 
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