Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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Raoul said:
I'm not playing down his popularity at the time. He was extremely popular, but nowhere near as popular as today when people who have little interest in football are interested in him. He's easily the world's most popular athlete today.
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So you think that having Ronald in our squad now would increase our commercial income by £60m? That'd be a 30% increase over the 2015 accounts.
 
Raoul said:
Not only this but who knows how much money Perez has squandered in other areas that would mitigate any revenue benefits Ronaldo has brought them.
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Commercial revenue is what it is, spending elsewhere has zero impact on it. We're not talking and profit here, it's revenue.
 
Rado_N said:
So you think that having Ronald in our squad now would increase our commercial income by £60m? That'd be a 30% increase over the 2015 accounts.
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Easily. The clubs stock would certainly rise thereby increasing market cap, and additional money would be generated by trophy success and increased merchandise sales. Collectively, it would not only pay for his fee and wages, it would do it several times over.
 
Rado_N said:
You said Ronaldo's shirt sales would cover his transfer fee - how does that happen without an increase in revenue?
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Players department. They leave a revenue void. He covers it. You'll never have the exact shirt sale each year.

Since Ronaldo joined they're commercial revenue has risen by more than 50%. That's due to a lot of things but just by looking at the shirt sales figures you can see how big of a piece Ronaldo has been for them. For a period they also owned a chunk of his image rights but I think he's negotiated them back now.
 
Raoul said:
Easily. The clubs stock would certainly rise thereby increasing market cap, and additional money would be generated by trophy success and increased merchandise sales. Collectively, it would not only pay for his fee and wages, it would do it several times over.
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:lol: you can't possibly be serious?!?!

Snow said:
Players department. They leave a revenue void. He covers it. You'll never have the exact shirt sale each year.
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Huh?

Since Ronaldo joined they're commercial revenue has risen by more than 50%. That's due to a lot of things but just by looking at the shirt sales figures you can see how big of a piece Ronaldo has been for them. For a period they also owned a chunk of his image rights but I think he's negotiated them back now.
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The breakdown isn't shown for me in that link, but that's a six year period in which TV rights have jumped massively, is that separated out?
 
So... are we going back to talking about his performance any time soon?
 
Snow said:
Players department. They leave a revenue void. He covers it. You'll never have the exact shirt sale each year.

Since Ronaldo joined they're commercial revenue has risen by more than 50%. That's due to a lot of things but just by looking at the shirt sales figures you can see how big of a piece Ronaldo has been for them. For a period they also owned a chunk of his image rights but I think he's negotiated them back now.
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That said, they would only sell him when his merchandizing value is below his market value, correct. I'll assume that is for sure also the moment when his value on the pitch is not worth the money anymore, correct? In that case it made only sense if played in India or China, correct?

Again my point: The second he is not as fast as he was, he is done. On the pitch in Europe. But he can be a star at LA Galaxy...
 
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Snow said:
Players department. They leave a revenue void. He covers it. You'll never have the exact shirt sale each year.

Since Ronaldo joined they're commercial revenue has risen by more than 50%. That's due to a lot of things but just by looking at the shirt sales figures you can see how big of a piece Ronaldo has been for them. For a period they also owned a chunk of his image rights but I think he's negotiated them back now.
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Shirt sales, especially for a single player are a very small part of football clubs income.
 
Rado_N said:
:lol: you can't possibly be serious?!?!



Huh?



The breakdown isn't shown for me in that link, but that's a six year period in which TV rights have jumped massively, is that separated out?
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Yes it was separated out. Matchday, broadcasting and commercial.
 
Shurou said:
So... are we going back to talking about his performance any time soon?
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Nope. Its not a pissing contest about why we shouldn't buy him because he's over the hill and won't generate any revenue through shirt sales. :)
 
RedStarUnited said:
Shirt sales, especially for a single player are a very small part of football clubs income.
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I know. Even less so for United (at least in the past, don't know how/if the deal has changed). Good to use it as a benchmark. Not much else you can go by when separating individuals.
 
steve9 said:
That said, they would only sell him when his merchandizing value is below his market value, correct. I'll assume that is for sure also the moment when his value on the pitch is not worth the money anymore, correct? In that cae it made only sense if played in India or China, correct?

Again my point: The second he is not as fast as he was, he is done. On the pitch in Europe. But he can be a star at LA Galaxy...
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Yea I touched on that point earlier.
Snow said:
Ronaldo would pay for himself in merchandise no matter how he'd perform. If United go after him it will always be because he's worth it on the pitch. Money isn't a problem.

Personally I think he'd fit the current system well. There's room for his ego and the system suits him alright. The question really is how much of a problem is his chronic injury? He's one of those players that take super well care of himself so he's going to be playing for a long time. I think that time will be spent in Madrid. He won't leave unless something spectacular happens in the capital that forces him away.
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He's always going to be a risk from now on.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Here is why I don't want him;

  1. I don't find him exciting to watch anymore
  2. He won't be cheap (Perez wasn't happy with the DDG thing, he will milk us). And would still demand a top salary.
  3. I never forgave him for pretty much begging to leave us when we were a great team.
  4. He relies heavily on the team creating rather than being the creative force (Neymar for example is as good a scorer as he is a creator)
  5. His football has actually declined, I don't think he can play out in the wings anymore. Martial is the next best thing so we don't need him to come play ST for us.
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Ronaldo would also become another "Rooney situation" for us in a few years. Player with high reputation, barely contribute anything (football wise) to the team and he must play every games. Not saying Ronaldo has passed it, he's still a damn good footballer at the age 30 but how long it will last? Say 3 years, 4 top I don't he would worth it.

Ronaldo is United legend but he chose Real over us. The ship has sailed for me, I rather we have next generations who love United than a fecking narcissist that's Ronaldo .
 
Snow said:
Again my point: The second he is not as fast as he was, he is done. On the pitch in Europe. But he can be a star at LA Galaxy...

Yea I touched on that point earlier.

He's always going to be a risk from now on.
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You didn't touch this point: Is he still that fast? Or is he mainly feeding from the space that others have to create for him?
 
RedStarUnited said:
Here is why I don't want him;

  1. I don't find him exciting to watch anymore
  2. He won't be cheap (Perez wasn't happy with the DDG thing, he will milk us). And would still demand a top salary.
  3. I never forgave him for pretty much begging to leave us when we were a great team.
  4. He relies heavily on the team creating rather than being the creative force (Neymar for example is as good a scorer as he is a creator)
  5. His football has actually declined, I don't think he can play out in the wings anymore. Martial is the next best thing so we don't need him to come play ST for us.
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That was our fault how?
 
He's in the top 5 or top 10 players in the world. Going back to clubs never works out though. He'll come with a big baggage of wages, playing style etc. Is that worth the trouble?
 
I came into this thread to see how he's been performing but seems there's no mention of that. Go to a 'should we sign ronaldo?' thread lads.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Here is why I don't want him;

  1. I don't find him exciting to watch anymore
  2. He won't be cheap (Perez wasn't happy with the DDG thing, he will milk us). And would still demand a top salary.
  3. I never forgave him for pretty much begging to leave us when we were a great team.
  4. He relies heavily on the team creating rather than being the creative force (Neymar for example is as good a scorer as he is a creator)
  5. His football has actually declined, I don't think he can play out in the wings anymore. Martial is the next best thing so we don't need him to come play ST for us.
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Agree with all this. Can also see him stifling the development of our young players like Martial and Memphis. And when things go inevitably south, it'll be the 2nd coming of the Rooney situation. Luckily, I can't see him going anywhere other than PSG to continue building his brand and finish out his career being a Beckham copycat.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Yeah it's very stupid to purchase players who will single handedly win you league titles and make you legit contenders for the CL. :wenger::wenger::wenger::wenger:
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He hasn't won a league title in 3 years. Probably won't win one this season either. 1 league title in 7 years. Hardly a player that supposedly can win the title on his own.

He's declining and his attitude stinks. He won't be good for our young side.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Yeah it's very stupid to purchase players who will single handedly win you league titles and make you legit contenders for the CL. :wenger::wenger::wenger::wenger:
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He singlehandedly delivers squat in terms of trophies for Madrid (what is it 1 league title in 8 years?) but will guarantee us league titles for some reason.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
He hasn't won a league title in 3 years. Probably won't win one this season either. 1 league title in 7 years. Hardly a player that supposedly can win the title on his own.

He's declining and his attitude stinks. He won't be good for our young side.
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I don't what it is about people having this fanstasy about one player coming and gifting us titles. I've read similar stuff in the Bale thread.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I don't what it is about people having this fanstasy about one player coming and gifting us titles. I've read similar stuff in the Bale thread.
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What's hard to understand? People want to believe in a magic bullet. Tbf, a Neymar, Suarez, or Messi signing would almost certainly guarantee titles.
 
Man of Leisure said:
What's hard to understand? People want to believe in a magic bullet. Tbf, a Neymar, Suarez, or Messi signing would almost certainly guarantee titles.
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People can believe it but it's silly. Messi/ronaldo/ronaldhinio/zidane at their best? Sure. You could make a case there. 31 year old Ronaldo, I don't think so. Like I said, it's hardly as if he's been guaranteeing Madrid league tiles the past 8 years. People want to believe in "the dream" good for them. But it's rubbish.
 
Americano said:
I thought the tv interview was interesting. When asked about the future & coaching he talked about how excited he is about his "brands".

What's left for him to do on the pitch?
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Win the la liga more than once?

It would be a much bigger achievement than banging in shitloads of goals at psg.
 
Rooney, Bastian, Ronaldo and Robben...:drool::drool:

We just need a time machine and we would be set..
 
he looked troubled yesterday....you can see that he's brilliant in terms of positioning, and should've scored at least one yesterday, but other than that, he hardly has an effect on the game.

I thought Messi who came in quite late had far more of an impact.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
People can believe it but it's silly. Messi/ronaldo/ronaldhinio/zidane at their best? Sure. You could make a case there. 31 year old Ronaldo, I don't think so. Like I said, it's hardly as if he's been guaranteeing Madrid league tiles the past 8 years. People want to believe in "the dream" good for them. But it's rubbish.
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Oh believe me, I'm right there with you. Would be disappointing for the reasons already discussed.
 
Raoul said:
You're clutching at straws. Its Ronaldo and yes we would jump at the chance of him coming back.
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He's not the same player though.

And his general all around play has declined.

When you watch him, it's clearly evident.
 
Rockets Redglare said:
You act like we've been linked with Emile Heskey. It's Cristiano Ronaldo, even if he's not up there with Messi anymore he's still head and shoulders above anyone in the premier league.

He'd run absolute riot, and although I think there is wiser ways to spend that sort of cash we should definitely go for it if he wants to come back and is available.
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If he's available for 60 mil and wants to return, then yes 100% he should be bought.

I doubt Real will sell at 60 mil though.
 
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