Politics at Westminster | BREAKING: UKIP

I don't really think Benn's comparison of Daesh to facism is helpful.
 
Benn's speech was very, very powerfully made, a shame I disagree with him on so much of it.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I bet Cameron thinks he's scored a big win, but I don't see this going any other way than having him up there with Tony Blair in ten years time.
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I don't know. He lives such a charmed life. How much criticism has he taken for the shitshow that is Libya?
 
I hope that all of those who voted yes - especially the Labour and Lib Dem MPs - pay more than lip service to everything else that they said must be done about the situation in Syria. Not gonna hold my breath though.
 
Did MPs get a blocking for clapping then?

Or is that only saved for the dirty Scottish ones?
 
Im pleased commonsense won the day and what a speech from Benn! His waffling woolly minded leader should have been taking notes rather than sitting there squirming. I'd like Corbyn to stay forever as leader but this embarrassment is surely another nail in his coffin.
 
Let's face facts this vote doesn't really shape any future for us anyway, Isis, are going to hit us anyway. They want to provoke us into attacking them so that they can gain more followers.

In my opinion, it's a no brainer, get in there and sort them out. Close the border to anyone wanting to join and clamp down on communities where radicalisation is an issue.
 
Silva said:
We'll be bombing a densely populated city in Syria. So there will definitely be civilian casualties.
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I'm against the bombing, but get the feck out of a city if you know it's going to be flattened.
It's horrible that people would have to ditch their homes but it seems ridiculous to stay.
Someone said 'and go where?' last time I said this. I think anywhere is better than under an airstrike.
 
Glad to see (although not surprised) that my local MP John Cryer voted against.
 
Bombing the shit out of another country? What could possibly go wrong?

In all seriousness though, I don't think there is any 'right' solution to all this. But knowing that many (hundreds) of civilians are going to be killed by all these raids really doesn't sit well with me at all.

VeevaVee said:
I'm against the bombing, but get the feck out of a city if you know it's going to be flattened.
It's horrible that people would have to ditch their homes but it seems ridiculous to stay.
Someone said 'and go where?' last time I said this. I think anywhere is better than under an airstrike.
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Its much easier said then done though isnt it?
 
VeevaVee said:
I'm against the bombing, but get the feck out of a city if you know it's going to be flattened.
It's horrible that people would have to ditch their homes but it seems ridiculous to stay.
Someone said 'and go where?' last time I said this. I think anywhere is better than under an airstrike.
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This implies that people have any sort of idea as to what's going on, though. They won't be sitting in their homes watching BBC One with prior knowledge that they're about to be bombed.

And if they abandon their homes, where do they go? People with young kids who have absolutely nothing whatsoever? Trekking to Europe isn't going to be easy, especially when half the European countries now seem incredibly reserved about taking refugees anyway.
 
One thing that did frustrate me hugely about Benn's speech was the line about fascism, and his use of ISIS' human rights abuses as a major selling point for military action. I eagerly await him to say the same about certain UK allies.
 
VeevaVee said:
I'm against the bombing, but get the feck out of a city if you know it's going to be flattened.
It's horrible that people would have to ditch their homes but it seems ridiculous to stay.
Someone said 'and go where?' last time I said this. I think anywhere is better than under an airstrike.
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You think they're staying because they can't be arsed leaving? ISIS control the city and are preventing women from leaving for crying out loud. Surely you don't think it's that simple
 
Sam said:
Its much easier said then done though isnt it?
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Of course. And it'd be a horrible thing to have to do. But it's better than staying.
Would you not do all you can to get out of that area?

Cheesy said:
This implies that people have any sort of idea as to what's going on, though. They won't be sitting in their homes watching BBC One with prior knowledge that they're about to be bombed.

And if they abandon their homes, where do they go? People with young kids who have absolutely nothing whatsoever? Trekking to Europe isn't going to be easy, especially when half the European countries now seem incredibly reserved about taking refugees anyway.
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That's true, but I think they'll know. There's people over here now that still have family over there.
Where to go? Run for the hills? Would you risk keeping your kids in an area that's going to be bombed?
Even if they didn't know, they soon will :( Time to go if you're lucky enough to survive the first wave.
 
Smores said:
You think they're staying because they can't be arsed leaving? ISIS control the city and are preventing women from leaving for crying out loud. Surely you don't think it's that simple
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Did I say that? Don't twist my words. I never said it was simple and I never said they 'can't be arsed'.
 
Shamwow said:
One thing that did frustrate me hugely about Benn's speech was the line about fascism, and his use of ISIS' human rights abuses as a major selling point for military action. I eagerly await him to say the same about certain UK allies.
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Guardian are hailing it as a great speech (probably because they see it as anti-corbyn) but it was the same clichéd simple one liners without any consideration of the actual complexities at hand.
 
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