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Ubik said:
That's not what happened. They stopped people voting that had been members of/openly campaigned for other parties like the Greens, TUSC and SWP (and Tories, for that matter). They messed up on others like managing to deny actual Labour councillors a vote but that was sheer incompetence rather than attempts to block Corbyn.
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I never saw any evidence of these people coming in to vote for corbyn were tories greens etc. He was voted in because of his ideas, and they didn't want someone like him in charge.
 
The Mitcher said:
I never saw any evidence of these people coming in to vote for corbyn were tories greens etc. He was voted in because of his ideas, and they didn't want someone like him in charge.
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There were plenty of documented cases - Green councillors trying to get on, Mark Steel (SWP campaigner) complaining about it on Twitter, Tories like Toby Young, former members of Militant, the list goes on.
 
Ubik said:
There were plenty of documented cases - Green councillors trying to get on, Mark Steel (SWP campaigner) complaining about it on Twitter, Tories like Toby Young, former members of Militant, the list goes on.
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bit unfair though as it seems you can still be appointed head of policy after campaigning against labour
 
Ubik said:
That's not what happened. They stopped people voting that had been members of/openly campaigned for other parties like the Greens, TUSC and SWP (and Tories, for that matter). They messed up on others like managing to deny actual Labour councillors a vote but that was sheer incompetence rather than attempts to block Corbyn.
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Just because you voted Green or any other party doesn't mean you're not a genuine Labour supporter. A lot of traditional supporters had veered away under New Labour and have since returned as the party seems to be returning to its roots under Corbyn.
 
Kaos said:
Just because you voted Green or any other party doesn't mean you're not a genuine Labour supporter. A lot of traditional supporters had veered away under New Labour and have since returned as the party seems to be returning to its roots under Corbyn.
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Voters are fine, and weren't kicked out (if you look at yougov leadership polls from the time, Greens have a healthy showing). Members or campaigners for other parties though are fair game to be disallowed.
sun_tzu said:
bit unfair though as it seems you can still be appointed head of policy after campaigning against labour
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And don't forget threatening the General Secretary with the sack for suspending said head of policy :D
 
Ubik said:
Voters are fine, and weren't kicked out (if you look at yougov leadership polls from the time, Greens have a healthy showing). Members or campaigners for other parties though are fair game to be disallowed.
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I don't see why it makes a difference tbh. If you're entitled to vote for another party, you're also entitled to campaign for them. I get involved in a fair bit of non-Partisan campaigning with the Green party in my local council, though I'm a registered member of the Labour party. And if a lot of ex-Labour members feel disgruntled with the state of the party but still want to be politically active, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do so at other parties who are more aligned to their values at a given time.
 
Yeah but those are the exact types of voters who will just quit the party when the guy they don't want wins the leadership vote.
 
Shamwow said:
Yeah but those are the exact types of voters who will just quit the party when the guy they don't want wins the leadership vote.
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That's just how democracy works. Most the anti-Corbyn posters here have suggested they'd take their vote elsewhere if Jezza was still leader going into May 2020. And I'd do the same if he was replaced by someone Like Kendall, Benn or Umuna.
 
Kaos said:
I don't see why it makes a difference tbh. If you're entitled to vote for another party, you're also entitled to campaign for them. I get involved in a fair bit of non-Partisan campaigning with the Green party in my local council, though I'm a registered member of the Labour party. And if a lot of ex-Labour members feel disgruntled with the state of the party but still want to be politically active, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do so at other parties who are more aligned to their values at a given time.
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Because that's what entryism is, and a line has to be drawn somewhere. I think campaigning against a Labour candidate or providing money to a rival party is fair enough as lines go.
 
Telford MP Lucy Allan defends adding death threats

An MP accused of faking a death threat has defended modifying a message from a constituent.

Conservative MP for Telford, Lucy Allan, posted an email ending with the words "unless you die" on Facebook.

The email's author denied writing the final line. Mrs Allan admitted adding it - but said it came from another email sent to her that day.

The BBC is yet to see the email, which Mrs Allan said police were investigating.

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Mrs Allan responded to allegations that she had doctored the email by saying.

"I posted actual comments made to me on the same day, although not in the same email. Comments were added to the post as they came in. I posted them to show examples of the type of unacceptable online abuse that comes in most days and that most people tolerate silently
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35027252

That excuse. :lol:

Shameful.


 
She's in a seriously tight marginal as well. Could be a boost for Corbyn if she resigns and he can win a marginal by-election
 
But to summarise: police are indeed investigating threats against the MP, and she was the recipient of abusive comments?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
But to summarise: police are indeed investigating threats against the MP, and she was the recipient of abusive comments?
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She was also lying by fabricating threats made from a constituent, thereby wasting police resources.

If she's caught lying then she's not fit to be a parliamentary representative.
 
Silva said:
If it actually worked like that they'd all be out the job.
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Of course they are, but she's been embarrassingly pulled up on this lie and has no explanation besides her tenuous "oh I just put together insults in one other guys email". So her position has become untenable and she should do the decent thing and resign.

Don't expect her to mind you.
 
Kaos said:
She was also lying by fabricating threats made from a constituent, thereby wasting police resources.

If she's caught lying then she's not fit to be a parliamentary representative.
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Are there not two separate cases, including one which was actually forwarded to the police?

Allan's been stupid though certainly, and i don't understand why she didn't just bold the final paragraph in that guy's email seeing as it was pretty rude anyway.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Are there not two separate cases, including one which was actually forwarded to the police?

Allan's been stupid though certainly, and i don't understand why she didn't just bold the final paragraph in that guy's email seeing as it was pretty rude anyway.
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She's falsely implicating the death threat to the sender of that email. So yes she's providing police with misinformation which itself is a crime.

And she didn't bold the final paragraph because writing a rude email isn't illegal, hence she felt the need to add the phantom death threat right at the end.

So in summary she's:

A) A proven liar who's tried to desperately back peddle, poorly.

and

B) Evidently not very bright.

So she's not fit to be an MP.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
But to summarise: police are indeed investigating threats against the MP, and she was the recipient of abusive comments?
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She's alleged that the line "unless you die" was in the context of a death threat, although for some reason decided to remove it from its original context and add it on to the bottom of another, completely separate, message.

The message that we know that she received, while maybe a bit mean, was hardly worthy of the police's attention. We'll have to wait and see if their investigation actually finds anything, or whether she's wasting their time to cover her arse.
 
Kaos said:
She's falsely implicating the death threat to the sender of that email. So yes she's providing police with misinformation which itself is a crime.

And she didn't bold the final paragraph because writing a rude email isn't illegal, hence she felt the need to add the phantom death threat right at the end.

So in summary she's:

A) A proven liar who's tried to desperately back peddle, poorly.

and

B) Evidently not very bright.

So she's not fit to be an MP.
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Dunno, sounds like she's got exactly the right mentality.
 
lynchie said:
She's alleged that the line "unless you die" was in the context of a death threat, although for some reason decided to remove it from its original context and add it on to the bottom of another, completely separate, message.

The message that we know that she received, while maybe a bit mean, was hardly worthy of the police's attention. We'll have to wait and see if their investigation actually finds anything, or whether she's wasting their time to cover her arse.
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That's the interesting bit and she seems a bit daft to have tried to spice up this guys email because from the full communication this guy sent I don't see he's said anything to get steamed up about...other than IMO him being wrong in what he claims.
 
berbatrick said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ushes-muslims-towards-isis-says-tory-minister

Britain's secular society pushes Muslims towards Isis, claims Tory minister


Stephen Crabb tells Conservative Christian Fellowship that ‘hard-edged’ secularism ‘aids and abets’ extremism
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Ah so it's all the atheists fault for turning their back on religion. Maybe this is a veiled threat that the hard Christians are going to get in on the terrorist act if we don't agree to 'renormalise' religion.

Poor religious people left free to practice their own beliefs without us all joining in or cheering them on :(
 
Smores said:
Ah so it's all the atheists fault for turning their back on religion. Maybe this is a veiled threat that the hard Christians are going to get in on the terrorist act if we don't agree to 'renormalise' religion.

Poor religious people left free to practice their own beliefs without us all joining in or cheering them on :(
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My brain totally glossed over this yesterday because I was busy, but whuuut?? This is a government minister saying this in pluralist Britain? He might be better off in the Northern Assembly where he can vote against gay marriage to his heart's content.

This part is just disconnecting of the highest order:
“The answer to the seduction of Isil [Isis] is not a greater dose of secularism that delegitimises their faith in the public space,” he said. “I believe the marginalisation of religion in our national life risks pushing more young Muslims into the arms of Isil.”
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Well, actually, no - the exact opposite is true. Less religion would mean less religious killing. Duh!
 
PMQs sounded more fun than it has been of late.
 
lynchie said:
She's alleged that the line "unless you die" was in the context of a death threat, although for some reason decided to remove it from its original context and add it on to the bottom of another, completely separate, message.

The message that we know that she received, while maybe a bit mean, was hardly worthy of the police's attention. We'll have to wait and see if their investigation actually finds anything, or whether she's wasting their time to cover her arse.
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The death threat was genuine (well, either that or she really is making things up).



I'm not aware of a source that says that she sent that email to the police.

Her mistake was to attribute the death threat to the same person who sent the email. Although it is in theory anonymous, people could well identify the person who goes under the pseudonym "Rusty from Dawley".
 
Madthinker said:
Yeah, a Labour MP for Telford would never lie about doctoring messages.
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Who cares about Labour and why even mention them? They're a has-been, irrelevant party. Oh, this is a political thread? Carry on with the whataboutery then.
 
On sports Direct not paying Minimum wage, Nick Boles said

He also praised the reporting in the case of Sports Direct, saying: “In general, I don’t often welcome an investigation by the Guardian newspaper, but in this case, I think it is absolutely vitally important that media organisations do investigate these things because the government is never going to be able to investigate every employer in the country. And if they can uncover things, then I can promise you the government will be sure to review their findings and enforce the law where necessary.”
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What is that about? The Snowdon thing?

What a prick. :lol:

Anyway

http://www.theguardian.com/business...l-for-hmrc-to-investigate-minimum-wage-claims
 
I always knew Telford was full of scum.
 
Madthinker said:
I used to live there, which probably doesn't change your opinion one bit.
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Well it changes my opinion in the sense that I think it's now slightly less scummy.

lolzy
 
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