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Pep Guardiola at City next?
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I'm not FCBarca man, Guardiola and Barca aren't my kind of thing.
@Balu : Probably we are experiencing different fangroups. And while they are of course no daily matter, they are the most hated foreign Club by a country mile.
I made that comment about FCBarca. Who's a lunatic who is hell bent on passing as preferences as facts and on judging other people's preferences.
Which ties in to your point, imo.
I get all of that. Hate is a strong word though and one I'd reserve only for bitter rivals.Seriously? They are the symbol for everything wrong in modern football.
Feel free to trace back my posts, I never cared whether he would stay or not. We've got Ancelotti, might be an even better fit, I don't mind it. And that's probably what most Bayern fans are thinking. I know you desperatly want to have a dig at us, like all City fans (Bluemoon love for Bayern Munich), but that's not it, sorry. Try to sign Müller or something.
Thought so. Found it weird to hear Bayern fans hate city. As inconsequential as they come for clubs of Bayern's ilk.
Last few pages area bizarre to say the least.Fecking hell this has descended into City vs Bayern vs Barca on the Caf, a United fans site. Brilliant.
They hate the idea of City though.
We went to Hamburg for a stag do last year and inevitably got into some football talk with the locals. Apparently Bayern fans have a rivalry with us (?) and if City were against x opponent for the title or any given match they will always root against City.
This is why City will never become what they hope to become imo.
Maybe they look at Guardiola and think that he took over a triple winner, spent 200 million on top and got embarrassed by Real and Barca.
How many people do you see slating Pep on this forum? Most people are just expressing their disappointment that he probably won't be coming here.
Why do you say that? I didn't get how that's connected to the rest of the post.
I don't understand most of that post either and if it's based on what a few Hamburg fans said, it makes sense that it doesn't make sense. Locals in Hamburg talking about Bayern fans is about as credible as locals in Liverpool talking about United fans.
What's true is that German fans in general dislike the idea of City. But that's not just Bayern fans. You just need to look at the fans of traditional clubs in Germany and how they treat clubs like Hoffenheim or Red Bull Leipzig to know that clubs financed by rich investors are hated by a vast majority of German football fans.
What's true is that German fans in general dislike the idea of City. But that's not just Bayern fans. You just need to look at the fans of traditional clubs in Germany and how they treat clubs like Hoffenheim or Red Bull Leipzig to know that clubs financed by rich investors are hated by a vast majority of German football fans.
Too many neutrals are against what City represent and that affects their standing amongst the elite clubs.
IMO the elite clubs aren't the elite because of their primary fanbase, they are up there because they are a lot of fans second clubs.
Fans of the Croatian champions will never be contenders for the CL but they will have their preference as to who wins it, same as the most watched league in the world the Premier League.
Barca v Madrid is the most watched game in world football, everyone has a choice as who they want to win that game plus the league yet they're not all fans of either club, just look at the La Liga threads on this very forum.
This is the slight difference in stature between a Chelsea and a United, Barcelona and PSG etc. The second choice club is a huge factor in this IMO.
City are not a lot of fans second choice clubs. Maybe a few generations down the line but it is not there for them.
Maybe winners attract neutrals but PSG have had a shedload of success since their takeover yet are not seen as an elite club themselves. My brother watched the CL second leg between City and Barca in Vegas last year and the entire crowd watching cheered on every Barca goal. They weren't all Barca fans either, most were neutrals watching the football on those giant screens they have at the bookies section.
No doubt a City fan will come along and tell me how I'm wrong and City are on course for this and that but until this changes they will always be regarded as second tier. Same as PSG.
We were asking a few fans about how United were preceived in Germany since Sir Alex left. I never knew of this apparent Bayern / United rivalry but that's what I was told.
I wouldn't mind but I cheer on Bayern in Europe, I really cant stand the Spanish clubs!
We chase unattainable 'galactico' transfer targets from Barca, Real and Bayern, but then when the arguably the best manager in the world is available we're nowhere to be seen. Ridiculous.
Well apparently the club still thinks they can get him and will try. Which IMO is a mistake, the Pep dream is all but dead and we should be looking for the next best target.
I don't think it's a real rivalry comparable to domestic rivalries. If anything I'd say that we have a rivalry with Real Madrid, because we played each other so often and had so many epic clashes with so many memorable moments. But even that's overplayed by some and the clubs have huge respect for each other, which shows in how easily the Kroos and Alonso transfers were done. In regards to United, some fans probably are still bitter about 99 but most are long over it, especially because we got our revenge 2 years later in the quarterfinals on our way to the CL title. If there was a rivalry, you wouldn't see so much respect right now for Schweinsteiger and his move. Many Bayern fans even root for United now that Schweinsteiger is in your team.
I'm sure you didn't read a single comment about Schweinsteiger choosing the wrong club? Surely that tells a lot about how Bayern fans feel in regards to United?
That is how it is. The only negative about United for Bayern fans is 99.
And yes, all of us have this "Schadenfreude"-moment whenever a big clubs looses against the small ones. No matter which of the big clubs it is.
United, Barca etc. aren't a problem. Internationally the hated club for Bayern is Real Madrid with everything they stand for.
The club officials of the big clubs often work together in the ECA and have the same interests - that is why transfers that "are given" like e.g. the transfers of Thiago, Alonso, Kroos or Schweinsteiger ran absolutely smoothly - probably even in one phone call with Rummenigge.
The sentiments against City are because of the big money being pushed in. I even think that a lot of the fans aren't really aware that the traditional English teams are all owned by individuals or companies. I was not or I never really thought about it when I first had contact with English clubs. English clubs meant 99, success or "You never walk alone" - or hooligans in the past. Only since Abramovic and then the Sheikhs at City the financing is seen negatively.
yeah but only a decade ago chelsea was where city is now in that regard. one champions league victory could change everything for city.
Sometimes I think I hate Madrid more than Man City. Doesn't make sense. Maybe it's their superiority complex. Most hated club by a long way is Liverpool.
Nah, that did not get Chelsea respectable. But with City and PSG being there and them having the even bigger cash injections they aren't the primary target anymore.
(I do not even think that you can write this CL win off as one that money can buy as at that time it was not star signings that made them win or play good but bus tactics. It would have been different with a CL win some years prior)
Good post tbf. Agree with you.
Not outside of England - or atleast not in Germany. If you would say that United is on 0 in a scale and City on -20, Liverpool probably is on a 5 or 10. The most people just no about the stadium singing "you'll never walk alone"...
Pepism
Do we have a weirdo of the year category ?
Do we have a weirdo of the year category ?
Yes please!
Translation?
I think I preferred it when you referred to Barca players by their first name only.
Perhaps the best thing Pep and co can do to keep his destination a secret is to flood the media with all sorts of speculation. While its easy to say City, I can equally see United, PSG, Chelsea, Spain, or a year off. It could get to a point where's its farcical to ask or print another story on it and the truth only comes out near the end of the season.
I did not translate it as I first thought only about the German posters here - I guess you need more information to it than just the translation. I tried to provide it extra now.
Munich - tz columnist Jörg Heinrich considered under the heading "Heinrich today" the sports world. This time, he writes about the weather Benefits of Munich.
What Pep will certainly miss in Manchester, is the tropical weather of Munich. Hot Christmas with Bikini Girls on the Flaucherl with goose grilled outside - people in the doctor's offices with sunburns. The currents and streams are freed from ice - even Goethe raved about Christmas Eve in Munich. Mia san southern Europe, that you remark especially now now in spring. Only the hayfever interferes. Such a climate Pep can completely forget in Manchester with the depressing English Schnürlregen (rain in strings) and fog. In doing so: We estimate that our favorite trainer will also be raving about the English weather in the highest terms. "Super-Super-Rain! And I love the fog, the fog is like a son to me. I would have liked to have 1000 days Fog. "Oh Pep, We'll miss you. We drink in this Super-Super-Christmas a Mass for you, under the palm trees in the beer garden.
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I took google-translator and corrected some of it. Background is the weather right now in Munich - no Xmas snow but almost beergarden weather. And Pep's tendency to tell everything is super - like Dante or Mandzukic who are Top-Top players and he is super-super-satisfied and he likes to have 1000 Dante - only to not play him and get rid of him as soon as possible... (it is Kimmich who is like a son to him...)
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Maybe we should do an extra translation English to what he really meant in English when Pep will finally arrives in England. Let's start with this - anything that is super, super-super, top, top-top or top-top-top does not mean anything. It is just a phrase to get journalists off his back as soon as possible...
(the media and Pep is a story we maybe can discuss about. At first everybody hyped him. After the message was told I really was surprised. It is Bayern, the club you all guys seem to hate - the club that cannot do anything right. It probably was the first time most journalists talked so positively of my club - whereas Pep did not get away that good, even without getting connected to City...)
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It's just a funny article made in jest.
Cult of Pepsonality.Pepism
Do we have a weirdo of the year category ?
In the German Bayern Forum there is always fights between the Gaalisten, Juppisten and Pepisten (single form Gaalist, Juppist and Pepist). Starting June the new Carlisten will jump into it.
Must be interesting conversation, fair few spectacular managers have been at your helm in the last few years.In the German Bayern Forum there is always fights between the Gaalisten, Juppisten and Pepisten (single form Gaalist, Juppist and Pepist). Starting June the new Carlisten will jump into it.
Or constant fights who has said something negative about the other 2 years ago or 3 years ago and now tells something different... (It is Germans - in a lot of us you can find the usual Korinthenkacker or Erbsenzähler - direct translation would be raisins shitter or pea counter - better is nitpicker or you can find a couple of Blockwarte (the guys that are often the janitor in a facility and register anything you do - in old East Germany the ones the Stasi often used)
The Caf is a lot more relaxed - atleast in some sectors.
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I'm not saying Bayern have leaked it, my point is that any leak is going to be more harmful for City given the future of our manager is uncertain whereas at least Guardiola's future is known not to be at Bayern and that Ancelotti is replacing him. Where he is going is not really an issue to you, but if he's getting heavily linked with City that's clearly going to impact on the club. That's what I'm saying, if there has been a deliberate leak, it would be more logical to have come from Bayern.
Yes, but really could be anyehere, couldn't it?
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Well, yes and no.
Leaks or rumours or whatever it is right now hurt City more than Bayern, that's obvious. I get that the situation isn't easy for City right now. There's no doubt about that. We dealt with the situation, have our future sorted and can focus 100% on finishing this season as successful as possible without any distraction. I fully agree with you about that.
But the situation changes once we assume that Bayern deliberately started the rumours/leaked the information of a done deal to the press. The moment Guardiola starts believing this theory, his relationship with our board and some of his coaching staff (a few of the assistant coaches were at Bayern before him and will stay) would be destroyed and it would hurt us more than the rumours right now might affect your dressing room and coaching staff. We'd never take that risk, that's my point.
I think it's utter nonsense to suggest that either club deliberately leaked it, so the whole discussion makes no sense to me. There's absolutely nothing to gain.
All jokes aside. Just to dispel some myths about Manchester.
Lewandoski's agent made a joke or comment about Manchester weather. For a laugh I check the weather and everytime it's worse over there.
Lewandoski's agent made a joke or comment about Manchester weather. For a laugh I check the weather and everytime it's worse over there.