The anti-Giggs sentiment

[ryansgirl]

This.People need to separate valid arguments with nonsense just to strengthen the point.

Here here. Enough of oddball attacks on adults who have consensual relationships with other adults regardless of how it offends some people's sense of morality. That was and is not a crime.
I don't think Ryan is ready to be United manager - I think Mark Hughes would be better if it came to that - and bitter attacks on his private life are irrelevant.

 

[steffyr2]

Didn't you read 'in a United shirt'? If you can explain how Ryan Giggs ever let United down on the pitch, then do explain. As for his private life, if you feel 'let down' because a famous football player had a consensual affair with another adult who was married to his brother whose marriage clearly was troubled, then I suggest you think hard about why you feel that way.

I don't feel let down -- I just think he's a nasty, conniving sneak. Why would you want someone who behaves like that running Utd?

 

[ryansgirl]

I don't feel let down -- I just think he's a nasty, conniving sneak. Why would you want someone who behaves like that running Utd?

Ryan isn't a 'nasty conniving sneak' in his profession - and that's the point I am making.

He is a respected United icon because of what he has achieved, would have possibly won the World Cup for and with England if he'd been eligible to play for England, and deserves more respect from United fans than some of the weird and hateful insults being thrown his way because of something that has really nothing to do with anybody but him, his wife, his brother and his wife.

BTW - I am not saying you are weirdly and hatefully insulting him although a few on the caf fit that description.

 

[steffyr2]

Ryan isn't a 'nasty conniving sneak' in his profession - and that's the point I am making.

He is a respected United icon because of what he has achieved, would have possibly won the World Cup for and with England if he'd been eligible to play for England, and deserves more respect from United fans than some of the weird and hateful insults being thrown his way because of something that has really nothing to do with anybody but him, his wife, his brother and his wife.

BTW - I am not saying you are weirdly and hatefully insulting him although a few on the caf fit that description.

You must agree that his icon status took a battering when that story came out right? Otherwise why try and stop it from going public....

He has no experience as manager of any team, let alone Utd. He hasn't tried to get any experience, just sat around and waited for the big job to drop into his lap.

 

[itso 7]

In any case, Guardiola won't have anything like that kind of foundation at United. Can he turn it around before his 3 year before-before date? I doubt it. Whether you want someone to lead a new dynasty or not, the next manager HAS TO be someone who looks to the future. United are not going to become all conquering any time soon, so a squad builder is a must.

That drops Pep and Mourinho down the pecking order, for me. On the other hand, Giggs wants to be here for the long haul.

What one wants and one is capable of are two different things, in this matter what one is capable is the most important factor. As long as Giggs hasn't shown his capabilities, leading a team of his own, there will always be doubts hovering over his candidature. Good intentions are, sadly, never enough.

 

[Man of Leisure]

As for the nonsense directed at Ryan Giggs - this is the man who never let us down in a United shirt. Never. He embodied and still does the hugely successful United of the Premier League era. From puritanical condemnations of his private life to some weird resentment of him even being mentioned as a possible manager for United, there are too many misinformed and hysterical posts these days on the caf.

Your username is giving away your bias on the subject matter. Nobody ever made the claim Giggs let us down in a United shirt. However he's no longer a United player and the fact of the matter is, our next managerial appointment needs to be the right one or we face serious consequences. Nothing wrong with people having doubts over Giggs as our manager. It'd be insane not too.

 

[LonelyFire]

Anyone who wants Giggs as the next manager needs their head examined. The club is in an absolute mess from top to bottom - the problems run far deeper than the first team. Every single youth age group is in complete disarray, there is no coherent strategy towards recruitment (youth or senior)...the list is endless. This IS NOT a job for someone with absolutely zero management experience. If we were to bring in a specialist Sporting Director/DoF then maybe (just maybe) this would be more attractive. However, the club is just nowhere near the standard it needs to be to give Giggs this opportunity. He has to go elsewhere and get experience.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Anyone who wants Giggs as the next manager needs their head examined. The club is in an absolute mess from top to bottom - the problems run far deeper than the first team. Every single youth age group is in complete disarray, there is no coherent strategy towards recruitment (youth or senior)...the list is endless. This IS NOT a job for someone with absolutely zero management experience. If we were to bring in a specialist Sporting Director/DoF then maybe (just maybe) this would be more attractive. However, the club is just nowhere near the standard it needs to be to give Giggs this opportunity. He has to go elsewhere and get experience.

Unfortunately the board aren't well acquainted with common sense.

 

[nimic]

As for his private life, if you feel 'let down' because a famous football player had a consensual affair with another adult who was married to his brother whose marriage clearly was troubled, then I suggest you think hard about why you feel that way.

Holy shit, you actually added that to make fecking his brothers wife behind his back for eight years seem not as bad

Their marriage was troubled? Well, that makes it fine then.

 

[devilish]

Anyone who wants Giggs as the next manager needs their head examined. The club is in an absolute mess from top to bottom - the problems run far deeper than the first team. Every single youth age group is in complete disarray, there is no coherent strategy towards recruitment (youth or senior)...the list is endless. This IS NOT a job for someone with absolutely zero management experience. If we were to bring in a specialist Sporting Director/DoF then maybe (just maybe) this would be more attractive. However, the club is just nowhere near the standard it needs to be to give Giggs this opportunity. He has to go elsewhere and get experience.

This

 

[RedRover]

Anyone who wants Giggs as the next manager needs their head examined. The club is in an absolute mess from top to bottom - the problems run far deeper than the first team. Every single youth age group is in complete disarray, there is no coherent strategy towards recruitment (youth or senior)...the list is endless. This IS NOT a job for someone with absolutely zero management experience. If we were to bring in a specialist Sporting Director/DoF then maybe (just maybe) this would be more attractive. However, the club is just nowhere near the standard it needs to be to give Giggs this opportunity. He has to go elsewhere and get experience.

Spot on.

 

[RedRover]

Didn't you read 'in a United shirt'? If you can explain how Ryan Giggs ever let United down on the pitch, then do explain. As for his private life, if you feel 'let down' because a famous football player had a consensual affair with another adult who was married to his brother whose marriage clearly was troubled, then I suggest you think hard about why you feel that way.

What has any of that got to do with whether he's qualified for the job?

The reality is nobody knows whether he'll make a decent manager - including Ryan Giggs himself, until he's had the chance to go and do it. being an assistant is fine - its nowhere near the same as being the man on whom the pressure builds when things aren't going well, and who has to make difficult decisions day in and day out, manage players and keep things moving in the right direction.

When you scratch the surface, past the romanticism of a United legend taking the club back to former glories - the reality is stark - namely that he has zero experience for the job.

And the comparisons to Guardiola which seem to be getting banded about are bizarre. There's as much chance he'll turn out to be another Alan Shearer. For every great player who successfully moves into management there are umpteen who can't hack it.

 

[Rory 7]

In any case, Guardiola won't have anything like that kind of foundation at United. Can he turn it around before his 3 year before-before date? I doubt it. Whether you want someone to lead a new dynasty or not, the next manager HAS TO be someone who looks to the future. United are not going to become all conquering any time soon, so a squad builder is a must.

That drops Pep and Mourinho down the pecking order, for me. On the other hand, Giggs wants to be here for the long haul.

Great post I completely agree with you. The only build on that is that LVG is the squad builder. I think we are going to have to stick with him through this transition even if the football is still so bad.

 

[Barca84]

Ryan isn't a 'nasty conniving sneak' in his profession - and that's the point I am making.

He is a respected United icon because of what he has achieved, would have possibly won the World Cup for and with England if he'd been eligible to play for England, and deserves more respect from United fans than some of the weird and hateful insults being thrown his way because of something that has really nothing to do with anybody but him, his wife, his brother and his wife.

BTW - I am not saying you are weirdly and hatefully insulting him although a few on the caf fit that description.

Good post. Some of the bile aimed at Giggs is mind boggling especially the crap coming from those passing some sort of moral judgement on the man. None of this is relevant but it's also worth pointing out that Giggs, his mrs, and his brother have all sorted things out whilst the moral guardians of the caf remain outraged. In his professional career Giggs has been nothing other than a loyal servant to the club and no that doesn't get him the job but what it does do is utterly nullify any insinuation that he is not to be trusted in some way. Nuance is lost in here on some and taking people up on this means you'll automatically be accused of wanting Giggs to get the job but some here can't spot the difference. What is clear is that plenty don't want him to get the job and will use his off field behaviour as a cloak for that agenda. Odd as there are plenty of relevant footballing reasons why Giggs shouldn't get it.