City have thought long-term in securing Pep and what makes you think that the plan stops there? If he is there for 3 years (no guarantee that he won't extend) I can assure you that his successor is already being considered. At the moment Vieira is the anointed one but if he screws up at NYCFC all bets are off.
Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Fair play to them but I genuinely don't care what city are doing. City's plans shouldn't be a cause for the melt-down we've seen amongst our fans.
Back in the day their plans wouldn't have bothered any of us but now their plans involve overthrowing us which should concern every Utd fan.
They absolutely fecking should.
They ain't going to overthrow us. That just ain't going to happen. Come on. Have a bit a pride and confidence in United.
No they shouldn't. Our plans (or lack thereof) are cause enough for a meltdown. Lets not react to City's plans!
What happen to him this season then?
Like we would never overthrow Liverpool you mean?
You have a crystal ball? They have the finances, the facilities and now the manager and makings of a very good squad (now I just feel sick) to continue to be the dominate side in Manchester certainly for the short term. It's been 3 years after this season since we finished above them, I hate giving the lottery winners any sort of credit but you have to face facts, they are close to being the side in Manchester that matters.
They are putting it up to us. Its up to us to respond. Properly.
Did we?
Think there is a lot of stuff going on at Chelsea behind the scenes. The way they handled John Terry, we might not like him here, but he is a club legend.
Yes, as Fergie said we knocked them off their perch. Now we are going to sit back while City try to do it to us.
Thats no reason to despair. Its every reason to get the club moving in the right direction. Christ lads, we're still Manchester United. A few lean years, a sexy appointment by City and we all are supposed to fold up the tents and walk away? Come on. Get behind United.
That's not what people are telling you though. They are urging the club to react and sort itself out.
No one is walking away, we are just facing facts. City are (and this again is going to be a vomit in own mouth moment) a much better ran and planned out club than what we are, our board are about making money whilst City are spending it to be successful. It's going to take more than just a managerial change (which we certainly need) to be able to keep up with them over the next few years.
Granted we have few english titles than them but they have more European titles and overall trophy count, they have more. Again, did we?
What kind of question is that?
Ferguson had a couple of rough patches in his career, before his first league trophy with United and after his first CL. Jose had a rough patch this season but he's still a brilliant manager who has been successful with every club he has managed. And the fact of his experience in the English Premiere League gives him an advantage over Pep.
But let's be clear: No manager -- not Pep, not Jose and not Arsene -- is going to walk away with the league trophy next season. It will be a dogfight to the end. All I ask of the board at OT is give this club a chance to compete for that trophy, which Jose absolutely would do.
So, if stuff go on behind the scenes at Man United, we are doomed for 16th place?
Well I agree with that. Of course I do. I don't agree with the idea that this somehow signals our "Liverpoolisation".
Wonder if people will be able to sleep tonight
Again I don't disagree. But the place for this conversation and this perspective is something that shouldn't be lost in the tears being shed over Nike's Pep going to City. Fans need to get serious about how we are going to force real change at our club.
Maybe LvG is lucky that his players have tried to do what he has asked. Some of Jose's players have been far from professional and the fans called them out for it.
City are a team who've clearly set out a course which involved building up perhaps the world's best academy (in terms of money invested), have built up a decent team that everyone knows needs a bit of retooling - yet it's February and theyre still in all four competitions playing a style of football I would run over my own dog for (I dont own a dog... YET) in comparison to what we watch at Old Trafford.
Have they cut back their academy spending by 15%? Have they refused to accept the resignation of their manager who has the team playing the least aesthetically pleasing brand of football in the country? Is their team 5 points behind 4th place in the table?
No. It's us. Yet they're the ones who are upgrading their manager by looking to the future and planning ahead accordingly.
Our board is incompetent for one reason in particular - our commercial success is dependent on continued on field success, and not solely on the glory years SAF provided for us. New generations who get into the game are not going to be watching our poor excuse of football when they have a bigger selection of teams to choose from.
Well done, City. You might have bought your way to the top, but at least you have a game plan. I have no fecking clue what we're doing, and I'd love it for someone to show me.
Have they cut back their academy spending by 15%? Have they refused to accept the resignation of their manager who has the team playing the least aesthetically pleasing brand of football in the country? Is their team 5 points behind 4th place in the table?
No. It's us. Yet they're the ones who are upgrading their manager by looking to the future and planning ahead accordingly.
Our board is incompetent for one reason in particular - our commercial success is dependent on continued on field success, and not solely on the glory years SAF provided for us. New generations who get into the game are not going to be watching our poor excuse of football when they have a bigger selection of teams to choose from.
Well done, City. You might have bought your way to the top, but at least you have a game plan. I have no fecking clue what we're doing, and I'd love it for someone to show me.
You are comparing SAF rough patches to Mourinho leaving Chelsea at 16th? Are you been serious?
If we don't make drastic changes, we will follow Liverpool. The board probably still need to make a couple of mistakes before realising it though.
At last we agree on something. Problem is the club take fans for granted, for every fan that falls by the wayside there will be another willing to shell out to watch the dross. How do you suggest they make their feeling clear. I would say a boycott, but it won't work as there will always be some little tourist with their phones wanting to take selfies at OT. Maybe if they don't score by halftime, everyone leave.
It involves a genuine movement of people. Created online, in the way this modern world works and executed at OT. And it has to involve address the ownership issue. And before anyone mentions MUST, it has to involve something like that.
Sadly boycotting games won't matter. For the first since I've had my season ticket in 8 years I'm seriously doubting whether to continue putting money in the Glazers pockets next season but what's it matter when some Chinese fan would snap it up (nothing against Chinese or foreign fans in general but the ones I know or see on twitter they don't really see the problems going on) so it wouldn't effect the Glazers.
I do think City did well here, not so much in getting Pep but in announcing it so early, it just sweeps away any of the speculation nonsense and everyone knows where they stand, the fans will also likely cut Pellegrini some slack if he balls up the rest of the season.
If we are planning on getting shut of LvG in the summer then we could do worse than follow their lead and just announce it now, again the fans will likely be more forgiving in matches that aren't going well, and the pressure will be off to an extent so we might just kick on, right now just a hint of us playing badly will have the home fans on his back, tomorrow could be pretty bad if we don't score early, it's just not good for anyone.
If we are planning on getting shut of LvG in the summer then we could do worse than follow their lead and just announce it now, again the fans will likely be more forgiving in matches that aren't going well, and the pressure will be off to an extent so we might just kick on, right now just a hint of us playing badly will have the home fans on his back, tomorrow could be pretty bad if we don't score early, it's just not good for anyone.
it means nothing to us.....but there is a lesson in it
Moyes made the mistake of saying once that City are something we aspire to.....which was a silly thing to say about the current Champions he had
maybe there is a slight relevance in the way the club is being run...
City have obviously had a clear, well thought out, ambitious plan for the future and have created a good management structure which has enabled them to attract the former Barca management team and Pep in particular.
They invested heavily in Youth and what they lack in history, past glory they make up in ambition......
we're still the more famous club, the biggest club in England but that stands for nothing if we don't have a coherent plan on and off the pitch.....
In some ways I suppose this was the plan with Van Gaal for 3 years progressing to Giggs eventually.....the issue is that despite the plan the decisions are being made by people who know little about football
I just hope the Glazers have the foresight to make the changes needed to compete with the top sides
Moyes made the mistake of saying once that City are something we aspire to.....which was a silly thing to say about the current Champions he had
maybe there is a slight relevance in the way the club is being run...
City have obviously had a clear, well thought out, ambitious plan for the future and have created a good management structure which has enabled them to attract the former Barca management team and Pep in particular.
They invested heavily in Youth and what they lack in history, past glory they make up in ambition......
we're still the more famous club, the biggest club in England but that stands for nothing if we don't have a coherent plan on and off the pitch.....
In some ways I suppose this was the plan with Van Gaal for 3 years progressing to Giggs eventually.....the issue is that despite the plan the decisions are being made by people who know little about football
I just hope the Glazers have the foresight to make the changes needed to compete with the top sides
Pep won't go beyond 3-4 years at City, he won't win Champions League with City and he won't win premier league 3 or 4 years in a row. So, what exactly is the reason for this panic?
What sort of question is that? They haven't won a league title in over 2 decades while we were the dominant force during that time span, winning title after title and a couple of European ones along the way. That we didn't manage to equal their European titles is irrelevant if you're speaking about such a long period, we were by far the greatest English team of the last quarter century, both domestically and on the European stage.
What's the lottery numbers for the weekend? Thanks in advance.
You reckon Moyes was the solution?
...the playing staff included. Throughout all our years of domestic dominance, a cursory glance at the dipper's squad would reassure me that the status quo was in no danger of being threatened. Now, however the same could be said of our squad versus City, Chelsea and Arsenal. We can afford heavy investment, and we cannot afford not to. It's a crying shame after all the money spent that we are not better equipped to challenge, and a spectacular assault on the transfer market this summer is a must in my opinion, Mourinho or no Mourinho.
Would there be a risk of Arsenal wanting Vieria instead to manage them?
It must be tempting for Vieria to go back there tbh.