Of course, but he's been part of the setup at City for over 5 years now as player, EDS Manager and now fully fledged boss of a MRS club. Of course, if Arsenal did approach him with a concrete offer then he'd be giving it serious thought but Paddy has already given indication that he wants to stay in the City organisation by not making a serious run at the Sunderland job a few months ago.
Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?
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We should have got Jose in allowed him a window and a 6 month start on Pep.
Jury is still out on Guardiola for me. He took a Barca team with Messi and co and won everything much like every manager has before and since with Messi. Took a Bayern team and hasn't pulled up trees in Europe. Think he has done well but he's certainly no Jose in terms of achievements for me.
Typically hysterical reaction that has become the hallmark of the Caf of late.
Do you see us being relegated? Seriously? If we finish 5th that will represent failure on our part but it's a long way from being non entities.
FFS let's just take stock of the situation. We are in a period of transition;we know that. It will take a couple of seasons but the notion that we will sink without trace has no foundation. The board will sit and discuss what's needed and have a strategy for the next few years.
It's a wake up call,however we all knew Pep was going there so we were hardly asleep during this. That's all it is
There is also no guarantee that he'll bring every single trophy to the Ethihad.This is a very hard league, the hardest he'll have coached in..he'll soon discover that!
Would have made us look undignified and foolhardy in the process. The time to take action is the summer not now because something's happened that we already knew was going to happen
We didn't need another manager that was only prepared to stay 3 years, whatever his CV is like!
Cue "the days of mangers staying at a club long-term are over" replies.
Cue "the days of mangers staying at a club long-term are over" replies.
He cant be overrated if he's had great success at the two clubs he's managed. What you mean is he's untested managing a premier league team that isnt vastly superior to the rest of the teams in the top half. Every manager in the world will find the preier league tough because its so competitive. This is why Pep will realize this will be his greatest challenge, but it could backfire.
Youre also far too quick to judge Klopp. Liveerpool havent looked that bad with a terrible squad.
He's only in it for the money, and at (quoted)21milion a year or thereabouts who can blame him.
He needs time. He'll be good once he gets rid of the chaff he's surrounded with
True, completely agree. I just think that our next manager needs to show at least a willingness to start building something more substantial than his final Wikipedia entry!
We could have got Klopp when he was going to Liverpool though.
If that were the case, he'd already be Chelsea manager - you'll have to find something new to hold over him
I'm working on it...give me more time
My favourite thing about it is that even in City's finest hour all the media reporting is about what it means for us and how we didn't get him. It's still all about United. In that respect, nothing will change.
I wonder if the board know how opposed we are to Giggs. Do they think we're after some romantic, sentimental appointment?
It's as if they don't realise the next manager is make or break for us.
EDIT: if true that is. To be fair, they might not even entertain the idea.
It's as if they don't realise the next manager is make or break for us.
EDIT: if true that is. To be fair, they might not even entertain the idea.
Not really! We had LVG tied down and we weren't doing anywhere near as badly as subsequently occurred.
The time for him to have committed was when he was at Dortmund and 1) he was nver going to do that to Dortmund and 2) He wanted a year's sabbatical.
That ship sailed 2 years ago, get over it
Brilliant
He had always about money isn't he? I mean he opted to play in Qatar instead of Man Utd during his playing career, what more evidence do you need?
Maybe he was secretly working for Islamic state
Pep is a major pull for top players though. City also have the money to bring in said top players.
I think they will make some major major signings this summer and Pep will have a squad good enough to win the Champions League at the start of next season, dependent on how well Barcelona do of course.
I think what it means to United fans and the Premiership in general is that you'll get to see up close & personal how Pep works. Which means a new appreciation for what he actually brings to the table and the massive impact I predict he will have on English football overall - 4 of the top 10 managers in England are coaches that ultimately failed in Spain, just as a corollary on transition to the Premiership.
I think he will also have to recruit some English players (Stones, Barkley?) and this will have an impact on the NT as well.
I think he will also have to recruit some English players (Stones, Barkley?) and this will have an impact on the NT as well.
fecking commies.
Pep Guardiola has sparked panic at Manchester United
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/12134393/Pep-Guardiola-has-sparked-panic-at-Manchester-United.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/12134393/Pep-Guardiola-has-sparked-panic-at-Manchester-United.html
Yeah, have to agree. He's undoubtedly a good tactician, but the City squad will need some serious strengthening to become the juggernaut the owners want them to be. Pep has yet to build a team, so it'll be interesting to see how he handles it.
Plus, for whatever reason, I know a lot of Bayern fans who absolutely despise him. I don't know how common this is among Bayern fans in general, but they (the ones I know/have spoken to) see him as an arrogant twat who failed to improve upon Heyncke's work. I mean, they appreciate the fact that he's a good manager, they just find him unlikable and are glad that he's leaving.
I don't care how others think bottom line is we should give our club the greatest chance of success. The fact we might have upset who (City) doesn't come in to it!
Yeah I agree he is an attraction but then so is Jose!
Not the point I was making. Jose would not guarantee success mid season
Without a doubt but it would give him a better chance next season! So not quite getting your point Inigo?
Going for Jose now is nothing more than knee jerk
Why? I don't get that, we clearly need a new manager and the best manager in the world is available! Anything but knee jerk I'd say anything else now just wouldn't make sense!
I get what you are both saying in a way but would you be prepared to endue LvG to the end of his contract just to avoid being accused of making knee-jerk decisions?
Ditto. The measure of a good manager is the ability to build a team and then to sustain the success by reinventing it time after time. SAF did this and Pochettino looks like he has some those qualities. Guardiola has been lucky. Clubs go through walls to get him and promise him fortunes to spend. He has never really had to pick up a declining side and steer it back to success. As for Barca I reckon I could have managed them and won at least one title with Messi in my team.
You trust this current board and the current owners to take stock and improve us? To have us challenging for the best players in the world and competing against City for titles?
City were the stain on our keks a few years back- when they started planning improvements we sat still- we sat around laughing and somehow though our history would see us through- the self proclaimed biggest club in the world should have farted in their direction and bettered everything they had done on and off the pitch- instead we have Fellaini playing in central midfield.
Having appointed Van Gaal and Moyes in the past 3 years, using a scattergun approach to our transfers, leaving our academy to rot you somehow think things will improve and the penny will drop?
Personally it does not bother me where we stand in the league- it does not change my support- but what comes out of the mouths of those at the top with our 650 million world wide fans and what is actually going on has no cohesion to it.
We had a genius in Fergie who papered over some massive cracks- what we do in the next 4 months will have start to mend them or they will become bigger.
Forget whatever City do for a minute- and just look at us- are we currently the image of what the biggest club in the world should be? Best academy, best manager, most ruthless board and most effective squad?
If the answer to any of them is no do you see a plan in place to achieve that?
I don't.
City fans are unbearable at the best of times but this morning Jesus Christ, this nightmare just gets worse.
But Pep spent the latter part of his playing career and the early part of his management career learning as much as he can from different sources about all facets of football.
He played under a genius at Barca in Cruyff and he could have sat on his ass and thought that that experience would serve him well in his coaching career but he moved around the footballing world (nearly joined United IIRC to pick Ferguson's brains) and picked up experience of different methods and cultures to add to his CV.
Then he returned to his spiritual home and earned his stripes as a coach and made such an impression on the king makers at the club that they chose him over Mourinho, Pellegrini and other experienced and successful Managers.
Does that willingness to learn the world of football and people Management sound like the path Giggs has taken?
Not for me, Jeff.
100% spot on. Fantastic post.But Pep spent the latter part of his playing career and the early part of his management career learning as much as he can from different sources about all facets of football.
He played under a genius at Barca in Cruyff and he could have sat on his ass and thought that that experience would serve him well in his coaching career but he moved around the footballing world (nearly joined United IIRC to pick Ferguson's brains) and picked up experience of different methods and cultures to add to his CV.
Then he returned to his spiritual home and earned his stripes as a coach and made such an impression on the king makers at the club that they chose him over Mourinho, Pellegrini and other experienced and successful Managers.
Does that willingness to learn the world of football and people Management sound like the path Giggs has taken?
Not for me, Jeff.
But Pep spent the latter part of his playing career and the early part of his management career learning as much as he can from different sources about all facets of football.
He played under a genius at Barca in Cruyff and he could have sat on his ass and thought that that experience would serve him well in his coaching career but he moved around the footballing world (nearly joined United IIRC to pick Ferguson's brains) and picked up experience of different methods and cultures to add to his CV.
Then he returned to his spiritual home and earned his stripes as a coach and made such an impression on the king makers at the club that they chose him over Mourinho, Pellegrini and other experienced and successful Managers.
Does that willingness to learn the world of football and people Management sound like the path Giggs has taken?
Not for me, Jeff.
The answer is simpler than that:
What Guardiola, Pedro, Messi, Busquets, Iniesta, Puyol, Piqué, Xavi and Valdes have in common? La Masia and the same football education.
After that you just have to look at the players around them, most were perfectly accustomed to Barcelona's football and the ones who weren't, Yaya Touré, got thrown out of the club.
So since there is no United blueprint and since Giggs won't have half of his players formed by Eric Harrison or one of his disciple, make a direct comparison between Giggs and Guardiola is ill-advised.
And I agree with what you said.
Exactly! Arghh so obvious!
This is a shite way of looking at things, if we are being realistic. What makes a manager stay long at a club? What can be termed long term? We have to grow out of the opinion that we can design a manager's length of service and accept that it takes a lot more than good intentions, on both parties, to achieve what Fergie and Wenger have achieved.
That's your opinion, sorry but I don't share it.