He can't even bluff and bluster with any skill.
Politics at Westminster | BREAKING: UKIP
- Thread starter Team Brian GB
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
even on the rare occasion he manages not to say something stupid this look so smug its approaching punchable appears on his face (thankfully it does not last long till he says something stupid again)
anyway as we are talking about him I cant resist
government defeated on sunday hours
Great news .
Not IMO.
this was an ill thought out piece of legislation so even without the pros and cons it was better voted down
317-286
26 Tories rebelled, and there are likely to be some abstentions in addition to that.
26 Tories rebelled, and there are likely to be some abstentions in addition to that.
Again, that's opinion, not fact.
I have a fundamental issue with the Sunday Trading Act because it is a prime example of a religion exerting influence on the lives of individuals who do not subscribe to that religion. The church should not have influence on the state IMO.
Do we want to repeal all elements of our culture and laws that are influenced by a religion then?
It's pointless opposing it on the grounds of its historic basis, it should remain because it's a cultural norm that offers those who work in retail some guaranteed time off a week with their families.
I don't believe religion has any place in defining laws in the modern world. Retail workers are guaranteed time off work each week via multiple other pieces of legislation; I worked in supermarkets for 10yrs, including every Sunday for the first 4yrs after the STA came in to effect, there are far worse issues to working in retail than having to work weekends (most of them involve customers
).Yep. I worked in a shop for a while and (a small mober of) costumers are grade-A arseholes. English white men in their 50s and Pakistani women in their 40s had a particularly bad record while I was there. Everyone else was mostly cool. Was especially bad on a Saturdays, the increased number of costumers brought in more arseholes you have to deal with in a short space of time.I don't believe religion has any place in defining laws in the modern world. Retail workers are guaranteed time off work each week via multiple other pieces of legislation; I worked in supermarkets for 10yrs, including every Sunday for the first 4yrs after the STA came in to effect, there are far worse issues to working in retail than having to work weekends (most of them involve customers
Did religion drive the opposition to this bill?
Many Conservatives (and others) were seeking protections for the high street and smaller towns. Osborne isn't much interested in either i'd wager, not so long as he can envisage a few more quid heading the way f the Exchequer. Back in 2010 there was much talk about localism, a policy which carried an instinctive appeal for many Conservatives, unfortunately the brass only ever saw it as a political device.
Many Conservatives (and others) were seeking protections for the high street and smaller towns. Osborne isn't much interested in either i'd wager, not so long as he can envisage a few more quid heading the way f the Exchequer. Back in 2010 there was much talk about localism, a policy which carried an instinctive appeal for many Conservatives, unfortunately the brass only ever saw it as a political device.
Last time they tried this it didn't even make it into a draft bill because the church started stamping its feet, claiming they'd lose church goers.
Why, are you a owner of a big supermarket chain. For me it's about the pressure on smaller businesses and those workers who will be working these long hours for lower wages .Thought Cameron was on the side of small businesses.
Last edited:
Read the thread.
RBS Pays Share Bonuses Worth £17.4m to Top Management Team
You know the system is fundamentally broken and utterly corrupt when a business in which the public has a 73% stake makes a £2bn loss and continues to pay its senior management millions in bonuses.
You know the system is fundamentally broken and utterly corrupt when a business in which the public has a 73% stake makes a £2bn loss and continues to pay its senior management millions in bonuses.
They're right, it's totally the sunday trading law that's causing people to stop going to church!
but if that bonus relates to actions taken that reduced it from a three billion loss wouldn't that be a wise way to spend 17.4 million?
I doubt you or I know enough about the individuals their designated areas of responsibility, details of their remuneration packages and the underlying figures behind the accounts to make that judgement... I would say look at what happened to the co-op when they had non banking people in banking roles - there is only a few people with the required experience and there is a market rate
I agree with this, people see the large numbers and declare it unfair but it's up to the market to set what the competitive rate is. Whether they're making a profit or not they still need to attract top talent.
If you're a football player or a fund manager, if you're responsible and associated to large financial gains then you're going to want a peice of that loaded pie.
The goverment have the ability to address the inequality created by such inflated fees, it's called taxation.
Regardless of problems with the Sunday trading bill or otherwise, it surely can't sit right with people that a law that has nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland (they already have longer hours on Sunday) was shot down by the SNP can it?
They were arguing quite determinedly that it could affect Scotland, IIRC. I wouldn't have the slightest idea whether that was realistic.
I actually think things like this are going to help with the push for english votes for english laws...
I imagine an "English" Sunday trading law would have passed so expect to see one at some point
I can't say I've looked in to this proposed bill in great detail, but I'm not sure thats a good enough excuse to wash. You could make the argument that any bill in Parliament may affect Scotland indirectly.
I mean take the 5p bag tax law, as a result of that a factory in Lancashire closed and 40 people lost their jobs. If that factory was in East Fife instead is that good enough grounds for the SNP to get involved and say that whether English supermarkets are forced to charge for plastic bags or not is a Scottish issue?
Or take the Scottish idea for a minimum alcohol cost. Essentially they're going after people that contribute to binge drinking, but one of the primary problem drinks is Buckfast: a tonic wine made in a Benedictine abbey in Devon. Is that then grounds for Westminster to step in and say that setting a minimum price for alcohol in Scotland is therefore not a matter for the devolved assembly in Scotland?
As you know, I'm certainly not going to be enthused by the idea that this gives the Tories more power, but its ridiculous that this double standard is allowed to continue.
I agree. As for the bolded bit, I think they pretty much will.
Tony Blair: the man who continues to divide the Labour party
Today’s Labour party is in the middle of something akin to a nervous breakdown.
Activists have rallied to their leftwing leader, Jeremy Corbyn, but ranks of MPs despair at their new chief, and feel rising paranoia about the members coming after their seat.
Nothing divides the members and the MPs more than the question of the party’s last spell in governmen. Were the New Labour years a rare chapter of progress in the story of a conservative country, or are they better characterised as an era of squandered opportunities followed by betrayal?
Running through the whole controversy is the spectre of Tony Blair. For many MPs he is their greatest ever election winner, but for Corbyn and his supporters he is a poisonous figure.
Joining Tom Clarke today is Tom Bower, a man known for his unauthorised biographies of the rich and powerful. His latest book, Broken Vows: Tony Blair – The Tragedy of Power, is a demolition of Blair as a man and a politician. Michael White joins the debate.
Listen here :: https://audio.guim.co.uk/2016/03/10-71536-gnl.politics.20160310.hg.tonyblair.mp3
An interesting episode if you have the time.
Today’s Labour party is in the middle of something akin to a nervous breakdown.
Activists have rallied to their leftwing leader, Jeremy Corbyn, but ranks of MPs despair at their new chief, and feel rising paranoia about the members coming after their seat.
Nothing divides the members and the MPs more than the question of the party’s last spell in governmen. Were the New Labour years a rare chapter of progress in the story of a conservative country, or are they better characterised as an era of squandered opportunities followed by betrayal?
Running through the whole controversy is the spectre of Tony Blair. For many MPs he is their greatest ever election winner, but for Corbyn and his supporters he is a poisonous figure.
Joining Tom Clarke today is Tom Bower, a man known for his unauthorised biographies of the rich and powerful. His latest book, Broken Vows: Tony Blair – The Tragedy of Power, is a demolition of Blair as a man and a politician. Michael White joins the debate.
Listen here :: https://audio.guim.co.uk/2016/03/10-71536-gnl.politics.20160310.hg.tonyblair.mp3
An interesting episode if you have the time.
Tony, the turd that just won't flush.
Gordon's loyalists helped tun the water brown too. Tthe stand-off between rival factions became very public in the latter years.
Lovely pun there Nick....
*sheepish emoji* 
Apologies to anyone sitting down with a cup of tea.
Apologies to anyone sitting down with a cup of tea.
Quite literally am.*sheepish emoji*
Apologies to anyone sitting down with a cup of tea.
Although murky brown was better than the present radioactive state of things.
Tough day for Osborne on Marr. Thought McDonnell came across well.
Osborne says that we should "act now to make sure we don't pay later". We should start by getting a chancellor who isn't an absolute helmet, although that's admittedly easier said than done no matter which party is in power at the moment.
McDonnell has some good ideas.
Such as quoting Mao and overthrowing capitalism?
It is quite stunning the extent to which Labour has gone AWOL since the change in leadership. Its like they have disappeared from the national debate almost entirely, unless you watch specialist political programmes like QT or Marr you would never hear about them at all. The main opposition to the Tories at the moment is coming from other Tories, its a disaster. Quite aside from the quality of the ideas that may or may not be coming out of Labour at the moment, they need to be heard saying something to remind people they are there.
dont be facetious
no... if I was being facetious Id point out he suggested assassinating thatcher in 2010 or reference his comments about the bravery and scrifice of the IRA.
I feel I'm being fairly serious and focused on his economics when he openly lists "generally fermenting the overthrow of capitalism" as his hobbies and interest and took probably his most public opportunity to date to set out a labour economic position and re-establish economic credibility by quoting Mao from his little red book.
@Adebesi makes a good point in that he and other members of the labour leadership are frankly awful at getting a message over - though given his previous messages that have got through it is probably a good thing in his case
You're being facetious.
They'll be talking about unilateral disarmament again in a few months. Lot of people will be hearing that.