Modern day footballer sees things at a different perspective than most normal humans do. Where we see self entitled and arrogant behavior, they'll see just fighting for their rights.
Angel Di Maria | Performances | Wife: "He only joined United for money. The food was disgusting. The women look like porcelain"
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Modern day footballer sees things at a different perspective than most normal humans do. Where we see self entitled and arrogant behavior, they'll see just fighting for their rights.
A mid-90's Ryan Giggs, maybe?
Well maybe it was for both sides, you don't pay £57 million for a pile of junk, and lets face it this is what he was for us, LvG clearly had no idea how to remedy this so it was in ADM's interests to 'get away' to save his career, and in United's interests to get the bulk of his fee back, that's all I meant.
Why is it a nonsense? I am just going off my impression from afar, as you are (unless you are Louis van Gaal or Angel di Maria).
If someone doesn't want to do something, it's hard for someone else to make them do it. That's a fairly fundamental human principle.
I don't doubt Lvg has made a litany of rickets during his time at United but blaming him for ADM is totally presumptuous and based on nothing.
ADM was world class, for a season imo, and that was in a midfield three for Madrid. Since leaving, from the honestly limited games ive seen, hes not recaptured what he was doing for Madrid (as I said havent seen every match and performance so you can tell me otherwise if you have).
For us he looked good for about three games in a left side of a diamond 4, I still wish we had persisted with that formation but then... Leicester away happened and things changed unfortunately.
LVG has made some mistakes, but ADM clearly had no fight to be here. He was tried in a number of positions and he just didnt light the place on fire.
I do wish it worked out for him and us, but I think it was doomed from the start. I honestly think ADM always had in the back of his mind that United was a pitstop, and you could tell from his interviews he was still thinking / talking about PSG. From that, im glad we sold him and recouped a lot of money for him.
Perfect summary.
You were pretty harsh in what I first replied to, ADM in my view has done very little wrong, he joined us, he played crap, he moved on, the fact he played crap for us when he clearly a top player rests with he manager and not him.
Look at Hernedez he couldn't hit a barn door in the few games he played for us, and his confidence looked shattered to me, yet he has been ripping it up in Germany, it's no coincidence.
Agree. The baseline of normality is slowly shifting though so that now some fans have sympathy for them. Which was the case with the poster I replied to.
Everything these guys need to be at their best is lavishly provided. I've zero sympathy for someone like Di Maria. Glad he's gone.
Yeah, a big percentage of them are cnuts. This is why I barely pay attention to what is said about them in matters non related to football. I never understand how those things can interest people.
Tonight's performance looked very different to what I remember of him. He still cowered out of any physical confrontation (that I agree with) but he looked more concerned about keeping his pass percentages up than creating chances. For us he'd see the passes and woefully over/underhit them at an alarming frequency but 3 or 4 times tonight he had the ball, saw the passes and just refrained. His ball for Ibrahimovic, when the time finally came, was perfect but I think Matuidi and Rabiot were a lot more culpable of losing possession in midfield.
It didn't look like any of the PSG players really kicked on to the next gear, but they were still better than Chelsea.
He also displayed what he rarely or never showed at Utd. The will to track back and contribute defensively, at Utd it was criminal how lazy he was when losing balls.
This is one of the things that frustrated me about him at United and remember reading the frustration on here. When he would lose the ball, he would rather go down to try and win a free kick when it may have been easier (well maybe not for him) to chase back and win the ball back.
He looks like hes improved upon that from tonight (but again, need a bigger sample to judge on that).
Wish this nonsense will end. The guy didn't want to be here.
He wasn't held at gunpoint and forced to sign a contract. Van Gaal signed one of the worlds best players and embarrassingly misused him and benched him for Ashley Young.
That's true.
But some of the stuff towards the end of the season was embarrassing from Di Maria. He couldn't control the ball at times. He'd overhit crosses or corners. He would constantly try to dribble and fail.
Couldn't wait to get off the field against Hull.
poor man management by LvG.
Ashley Young shows more impetus than ADM did during the second half last season. Post-burglary and post-Oliver red card, Ashley Young outperformed ADM. Effort and desire out worked pure talent when pure talent didn't show up.
And ask yourself, why did pure talent not turn up. Why has all of our attackers under LvG bar perhaps Martial been average at best, despite having a lot of talent. Why has Memphis went from being one of the best young talents in Europe to at times looking like a absolute donkey?
Louis van Gaal and his philosophy.
There was no philosophy back then though. It was 3 at the back madness with Di Maria having a free role.
I don't really care about him, but he's a top player. He started really well when he came here, then LVG started thinkering his position and moving him all over the pitch, he obviously struggled to find consistency.
After that he gave him the final blow by starting Ashely fecking Young instead of him.
I'm pretty sure that LVG didn't like him because his passing was too adventurous. The philosophy demands 90%+ passing competition.
After that he gave him the final blow by starting Ashely fecking Young instead of him.
I'm pretty sure that LVG didn't like him because his passing was too adventurous. The philosophy demands 90%+ passing competition.
That Herrera interview where he said LVG had told Di Maria to pass sideways to keep the ball more often rather than trying to take his man on all the time made it pretty obvious that something was going to break.
You don't spunk a record fee on a player you've named as the type you need to then tell him to play differently.
You don't spunk a record fee on a player you've named as the type you need to then tell him to play differently.
Yeah Hull was a disgrace.
He's an extremely classy player and a joy to watch on his day. Would take him in a heartbeat at Arsenal. As I've said before was the wrong player for United in the situation you were in. If he had signed in the year Van Persie won you the league then his career at United would have been very different, i'm fairly convinced of that.
Like every player who isn't here, he would have made the difference. Yet when he was here he made no difference. But then, it's never the players' fault these days. They're never used properly.
He was crap for us. Accept it and move on.
He was crap for us. Accept it and move on.
He's been that for probably 1.5 seasons.
Absolute love watching PSG. Blanc plays with two very narrow wingers (more wide forwards), where they predominately play down the middle and are given the licence to drop off and get on the ball. This is what Di Maria was doing, and what a player like him needs. I mean he had the second most amount of touches (118) today, which just goes to show much freedom he has. Felt he was really good tonight.
He makes the difference. Involved in both goals and a couple of nice moves. Far more penetrating than any of our players can ever be.
He was pretty great tonight.. especially given that Ibrahimovic and Lucas were the only options he had that could be considered offensive players. I thought he looked dangerous every time he got the ball and he really took the game to Chelsea.
And most likely never actually wanted to be here
The way they set up probably needs a couple of adjustments for them to fully reach their potential but it is very good. Was personally very impressed by Di Maria, and thought if he had a couple of forwards with better movement than Lucas and Ibra he'd have ended that match in the first half. DiMaria is more the wide playmaker while Lucas is the wide forward.
Good for him really.
He's a frustating player at times(even as far back as his Benfica days), but an amazing talent
Yes, he wanted to leave, but no mistake about it, United were quite willing to sell too. I still think it was best for all. He gets to go to a club he wants to play for, and we recoup most of our money for a 28 y.o whose value would only have declined.
As a football fan, I'll be happy for his perfomances, as long as its not against us or to our detriment.
He's a frustating player at times(even as far back as his Benfica days), but an amazing talent
Yes, he wanted to leave, but no mistake about it, United were quite willing to sell too. I still think it was best for all. He gets to go to a club he wants to play for, and we recoup most of our money for a 28 y.o whose value would only have declined.
As a football fan, I'll be happy for his perfomances, as long as its not against us or to our detriment.
Had a terrible season with us and still managed to be our assists leader by far and one of the top in the league.
Imagine a decent season or even a good season.
Imagine a decent season or even a good season.
From all the matches I have watched (and this could possibly be confirmed or denied by @Downcast and @BBRBB), there's been much better workrate from him in comparison to at Utd. I guess this is difference between when you wanna play for coach and team and when you're going through the motions. In terms of that particular aspect, he feels like the Di Maria from Real Madrid.
That is they key and where LVG fecked IMO. You cannot limit a player like him to a wing and expect good individual performances.
Don't blame him at all for bailing. Especially on Van Gaal, he'd have been such a good player for Ferguson.
Very true. But then again, Fergie would have never ever bought him for that price.
Yep, pretty much for fear of the exact scenario that transpired.
He's an excellent player who was a poor fit for LVG and United/English football.
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ADM is:
1. A talented versatile player
2. An excellent provider of assists.
1. ADM: talented versatile player. Successful with Benfica, Real Madrid, Argentina and PSG and even MUFC at the beginning!!
- On the wing, he is unpredictable. He is not a pure winger who bites the line like Bale. He needs freedom and likes to combine with the CM.
- Behind the striker, MOTM against Atletico Madrid (ECL's final in 2014)
2. Who are the Top 10 Assist kings between 2010-2015 in the Top 5 European leagues ?
1. Messi: 72 assists
2. Mezut Ozil: 61 assists
3. Fabregas: 59 assists
4. Angel Di Maria: 59 assists
5. Ribéry
6. Cristiano Ronaldo
7. Hazard
8. Mata
9. Reus
10. Cazorla
3. How to explain the failure of ADM in Manchester?
- Tactical instability
- Injuries
- Time is needed to feel good
- The family of ADM was traumatized by a shocking break-in
THE WIFE of Angel Di Maria has vowed never to return home after the Manchester United star's house was broken in to.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/555878/Angel-Di-Maria-family-house-break-in
4. Why PSG?
- Stability in Paris
- One of the few clubs financially able to acquire him
- MUFC didn't want to sell him to another English club
- Bayern not interested
- Argentinian players in Paris: Lavezzi/Pastore
- Better weather: important for him ?
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I think LvG thought he was getting a Robben type player with Di Maria, hence why he named him as a great winger before we signed him. Clearly that's not what he is and when LvG realised that he hadn't a fecking clue how to actually use him.
Di Maria never wanted to be here in the first place. Real Madrid wanted to sell him and PSG - where he wanted to go - couldn't buy him at that time because of FFP. He was never going to be a success here so I'm not surprised he quickly moved to PSG.