Antonio Conte | Chelsea Manager 16/17

LVG is your manager. There is no ? about it at the moment. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean its under question.

Liverpool had already agreed a deal in principle with klopp Before they sacked rodgers

City agreed with guardiola whilst pellegrini is still there.

I think it's safe to say LVG has been on thin ice for months now he should've ben sacked a long time ago so it's pretty safe to assume his postion is under threat for next year. I'm just sick of us always dragging our feet whilst other clubs get sorted.
 
Im not 100% against the idea of LVG staying for his 3rd year if he gets top 4

And would prefer that than Mourinho

Perhaps in a years time Poch might be easier to get or maybe another solution will appear in a years time

at the risk of taking this thread off topic, WHY dear god WHY would you want this man to continue anywhere near United?
 
So City and Chelsea have already bagged their Managers for next Season - what are we waiting for before we lose Mourinho to some other team?
 
So City and Chelsea have already bagged their Managers for next Season - what are we waiting for before we lose Mourinho to some other team?

That's not happening, there's just no reason to annouce Van Gaal's departure when we're still in the fight for top 4 and the FA Cup. Where else should Mourinho go?
 
That's not happening, there's just no reason to annouce Van Gaal's departure when we're still in the fight for top 4 and the FA Cup. Where else should Mourinho go?
Real Madrid want him according to Diego Lopez and El Pais I think
 
If he was short term than he would have left in summer (or settled with the present side and left next season). His reputation would have remained intact, Chelsea would succumb in chaos and he would be managing a top side while you would be struggling to make it to mid table. The very fact that he remained and he wanted to bring in change show intent to build for long term. If Chelsea brought in the players Mou asked for then they would have easily walked with the league.

Don't take me wrong, I do agree with you that he should improve his record with the youth academy which is appalling at best. Having said that, by not backing him financially you basically threw him under the bus. Stones (Defense), Griezmann (flanks), Koke (midfield) and Martial (striker), jeez he basically gave a vote of non confidence to the entire team. No manager would recover after that.
I have no doubt he wanted to stay long term. The fans love him and he had as much power over the first team as possible. The thing is, I don't think he is capable of it and I don't think his management style is suitable for any stretch longer then a couple of seasons. Everything he did at Chelsea showed zero long term thought. From signings to man management. He just cant do long term.

We did try and sign them. There isn't much more you can do when Everton straight up decline £45m for Stones, when a €60m bid is accepted for Koke and he refuses to even talk with the club and when you offer more money then United for Martial and Monaco still reject your offer and he goes to United. What else could we do with those targets? None of them wanted to play for us under Mourinho, simple as that. Only Griezmann was maybe attainable but we didn't think £43m was good value for him. Something I believe we got totally wrong. Instead we bought Pedro to do a similar job for half the money.

Also, why did we need to spend nearly £200m on players for Mourinho to have another title winning season and not implode? Isn't that the sign of a bad manager if they have to constantly spend a small fortune every season to be competitive? Plus the fact that spending absurd amounts every year isn't a suitable long term solution.

Another point, the problems we had when Mourinho first took charge (Blunt attack, lack of control in midfield and a slow aging defence) we still had two years into his reign despite him spending a load f money every transfer window. That's because he bought short term quick fixes rather then long term solutions.

Funnily enough, a lot of our problems could've been solved if Mourinho had just given the youth players a chance like he said he was going to. Christensen has shown himself to be as talented as Stones ever was and equally good on the ball this season in CB, Loftus-Cheek would've given the midfield much more solidity playing a box to box role in a midfield 3 and Traore would 've offered more threat going forwards then either Remy or Falcao coming from the right or playing as a striker. He showed them no faith though and wanted 5/6 top class players added to the team, when he could've just given them the chance they deserved and only bot 1/2 top players.
 
Real Madrid want him according to Diego Lopez and El Pais I think

Still not going to happen, he's the United manager when the new season starts, but the speculation will continue of course, until his appointment is made official after the season.
 
That's not happening, there's just no reason to annouce Van Gaal's departure when we're still in the fight for top 4 and the FA Cup. Where else should Mourinho go?

So do you think that nobody wants Mourinho?
 
No, lots of clubs would want him, but not clubs Mourinho himself would go to apart from us.

It's obvious that Mourinho wants to join us but we keep dragging our feet when we should come out in the open and declare our intentions.
 
It's obvious that Mourinho wants to join us but we keep dragging our feet when we should come out in the open and declare our intentions.
This serves no real purpose. An agreement has most likely been reached already.
 
It's obvious that Mourinho wants to join us but we keep dragging our feet when we should come out in the open and declare our intentions.

Why? Just look at City, their title challenge fell apart because Pep for some reason had to be annouced so early, the same could happen to our season if we annouced that Mourinho was coming in the summer.
 
Now that all the managers have gathered at the PL, it is time for SAF to make his special appearance next season.
 
Why? Just look at City, their title challenge fell apart because Pep for some reason had to be annouced so early, the same could happen to our season if we annouced that Mourinho was coming in the summer.

They were shit before that.
 
Why? Just look at City, their title challenge fell apart because Pep for some reason had to be annouced so early, the same could happen to our season if we annouced that Mourinho was coming in the summer.

Thats not what happened.

They've been dogshit since the 5th game of the season, they announced Pep when they did because they thought ending the speculation would allow the team to refocus and address their already awful form.
 
at the risk of taking this thread off topic, WHY dear god WHY would you want this man to continue anywhere near United?
For all his faults and stuff he has done to annoy me, I think we saw the worst it was going to get

I'd be interested to see how he takes on a new season with Utd.

Plus im not sure I would think it fair if he got sacked for getting top 4. If he also wins the cup It would be even harder imo.
 
Was it Di Marzio that broke this story?
Yep. Reported yesterday that Conte was in London and would sign tomorrow (today). Very reliable for all thinks Italian.
 
Losing 15 out of 151 matches in charge of Juventus, who he took over when they were going through their meh spell... is pretty good going. Didn't he also become the only manager to go an entire Serie A season unbeaten. I even read he technically laid the foundation for Allegri to continue with. To write him off already and claim he's shit or not that good etc, I suspect is because we dont want to admit that he will get them back up there next season and they'll be back to their usual force

I'd even go as far as to say with their types and styles of play, Conte may be more suited to the EPL than Pep.
 
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Thats not what happened.

They've been dogshit since the 5th game of the season, they announced Pep when they did because they thought ending the speculation would allow the team to refocus and address their already awful form.

They've played 12 games since Pep was announced as their new manager on February 1, which have ended:

02/02 Sunderland 0-1 City
06/02 City 1-3 Leicester
14/02 City 1-2 Tottenham
21/02 Chelsea 5-1 City
24/02 Dynamo Kiev 1-3 City
28/02 Liverpool 1-1 City
02/03 Liverpool 3-0 City
05/03 City 4-0 Villa
12/03 Norwich 0-0 City
15/03 City 0-0 Dynamo Kiev
20/03 City 0-1 United
02/04 Bournemouth 0-4 City

4 wins, 3 draws, 5 defeats - Goals FA: 16-16

The previous 12 games before Pep was announced:

12/12 City 2-1 Swansea
21/12 Arsenal 2-1 City
26/12 City 4-1 Sunderland
29/12 Leicester 0-0 City
02/01 Watford 1-2 City
06/01 Everton 2-1 City
09/01 Norwich 0-3 City
13/01 City 0-0 Everton
16/01 City 4-0 Palace
23/01 West Ham 2-2 City
27/01 City 3-1 Everton
30/01 Villa 0-4 City

7 wins, 3 draws, 2 defeats - Goals FA: 26-10

The league table now:
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The league table before Pep was announced:
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I'm not saying they were brilliant before Pep was announced, but they were still very much in the title race. Infact I think most people still had them as favourites at that point.
 
I'm not saying they were brilliant before Pep was announced, but they were still very much in the title race. Infact I think most people still had them as favourites at that point.

And people are telling you, that the pattern hasn't change. What happened is that weeks after weeks they lost the grounds they built during the first 5 games. It's not even hard to see it, their form hasn't changed since October at the exception of the Spurs game, they are also the only team in the top 5 who hasn't won two games in a row since October, their problems have nothing to do with Guardiola.

http://www.squawka.com/teams/arsena...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-31#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/teams/totten...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-32#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/teams/manche...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-31#by-match
 
I have no doubt he wanted to stay long term. The fans love him and he had as much power over the first team as possible. The thing is, I don't think he is capable of it and I don't think his management style is suitable for any stretch longer then a couple of seasons. Everything he did at Chelsea showed zero long term thought. From signings to man management. He just cant do long term.

We did try and sign them. There isn't much more you can do when Everton straight up decline £45m for Stones, when a €60m bid is accepted for Koke and he refuses to even talk with the club and when you offer more money then United for Martial and Monaco still reject your offer and he goes to United. What else could we do with those targets? None of them wanted to play for us under Mourinho, simple as that. Only Griezmann was maybe attainable but we didn't think £43m was good value for him. Something I believe we got totally wrong. Instead we bought Pedro to do a similar job for half the money.

Also, why did we need to spend nearly £200m on players for Mourinho to have another title winning season and not implode? Isn't that the sign of a bad manager if they have to constantly spend a small fortune every season to be competitive? Plus the fact that spending absurd amounts every year isn't a suitable long term solution.

Another point, the problems we had when Mourinho first took charge (Blunt attack, lack of control in midfield and a slow aging defence) we still had two years into his reign despite him spending a load f money every transfer window. That's because he bought short term quick fixes rather then long term solutions.

Funnily enough, a lot of our problems could've been solved if Mourinho had just given the youth players a chance like he said he was going to. Christensen has shown himself to be as talented as Stones ever was and equally good on the ball this season in CB, Loftus-Cheek would've given the midfield much more solidity playing a box to box role in a midfield 3 and Traore would 've offered more threat going forwards then either Remy or Falcao coming from the right or playing as a striker. He showed them no faith though and wanted 5/6 top class players added to the team, when he could've just given them the chance they deserved and only bot 1/2 top players.

Exaggerations exaggerations.

When was this small fortune spent?

Jose asked for 2-3 quality players to be able to get rid of shit like rarmies and mikel. Not 5-6 world class ones. Delusional really.

He was slowly starting to bring the youth along too until the club decided that to would be a laugh to show him the middle finger and hand him more shit like falcao and pedro to go with rarmies and mikel.

I hope he goes to man utd and gives Abrahmovic a proper nosebleed for a good few years.
 
And people are telling you, that the pattern hasn't change. What happened is that weeks after weeks they lost the grounds they built during the first 5 games. It's not even hard to see it, their form hasn't changed since October at the exception of the Spurs game, they are also the only team in the top 5 who hasn't won two games in a row since October, their problems have nothing to do with Guardiola.

http://www.squawka.com/teams/arsena...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-31#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/teams/totten...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-32#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/teams/manche...eason-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-31#by-match

They were 4 points clear of Leicester after 5 games, so they lost 7 points on them in the following 18 games. In the following 8 games they've lost 12 points, so their league season have gone much more downhill the last 2 months compared to the period from mid-September till the end of January.
 
Exaggerations exaggerations.

When was this small fortune spent?

Jose asked for 2-3 quality players to be able to get rid of shit like rarmies and mikel. Not 5-6 world class ones. Delusional really.

He was slowly starting to bring the youth along too until the club decided that to would be a laugh to show him the middle finger and hand him more shit like falcao and pedro to go with rarmies and mikel.

I hope he goes to man utd and gives Abrahmovic a proper nosebleed for a good few years.
"Chelsea fan" I see.

Griezmann: £43m
Stone: £45m+
Pogba: £68m (Reported)
Koke: £50m (€60m)
Marquinhos: £30m+
Martial: £40m+



These were the players that we put in solid bids for. That's at least £216m worth of players. A small fortune indeed. Each considered first team quality and world class/future world class. Mikel was signed back on by Mourinho himself and Ramires was not leaving. These signings weren't replacements but additions to the team.

Falcao was his ego. He wanted to prove that he could get Falcao back to his best, whilst also helping out his mate Mendes. Falcao was all him. Pedro was a second option to Griezmann when he was deemed unobtainable. Sometimes in life these things happen and if Mourinho cant deal with any sort of set back then he is not a good manager at all, nor human person in general.

He wasn't bringing through any youth. He promoted Terry back to captain and continued to play him when he was getting older. The youth players close to the first team and ones he had singled out were further from the first team when he was sacked then before. Loftus-cheek was treated abysmally. Talked up all the time, played for 5/10 minutes then not in the squad for the next month. He showed no inclination of playing youth even when we were in the relegation zones. All he had were excuses ("We are trying to win the league, no time for youth" "We are in too much trouble, no time for youth") which I'm sure you lapped up. He even admitted that he wouldn't play any youngsters as long as it was mathematically possible to get top 4. There was no inclination of him bringing in youth players and he was wasting a shit load of talent that he refused to play. For that alone he is nothing to this club.

I hope you follow Mourinho over to United to be honest. "Fans" who are blind to the fact that Mourinho and his motley crew of cnuts were leading this club to relegation are not worth an ounce of time IMO. Support the club, not the manager.
 
"Chelsea fan" I see.

Griezmann: £43m
Stone: £45m+
Pogba: £68m (Reported)
Koke: £50m (€60m)
Marquinhos: £30m+
Martial: £40m+



These were the players that we put in solid bids for. That's at least £216m worth of players. A small fortune indeed. Each considered first team quality and world class/future world class. Mikel was signed back on by Mourinho himself and Ramires was not leaving. These signings weren't replacements but additions to the team.

Falcao was his ego. He wanted to prove that he could get Falcao back to his best, whilst also helping out his mate Mendes. Falcao was all him. Pedro was a second option to Griezmann when he was deemed unobtainable. Sometimes in life these things happen and if Mourinho cant deal with any sort of set back then he is not a good manager at all, nor human person in general.

He wasn't bringing through any youth. He promoted Terry back to captain and continued to play him when he was getting older. The youth players close to the first team and ones he had singled out were further from the first team when he was sacked then before. Loftus-cheek was treated abysmally. Talked up all the time, played for 5/10 minutes then not in the squad for the next month. He showed no inclination of playing youth even when we were in the relegation zones. All he had were excuses ("We are trying to win the league, no time for youth" "We are in too much trouble, no time for youth") which I'm sure you lapped up. He even admitted that he wouldn't play any youngsters as long as it was mathematically possible to get top 4. There was no inclination of him bringing in youth players and he was wasting a shit load of talent that he refused to play. For that alone he is nothing to this club.

I hope you follow Mourinho over to United to be honest. "Fans" who are blind to the fact that Mourinho and his motley crew of cnuts were leading this club to relegation are not worth an ounce of time IMO. Support the club, not the manager.
If this is true, I don't want him anywhere near the club.
 
If this is true, I don't want him anywhere near the club.
If there's one thing everyone now knows about Mou it's that he'll play a strong team in every competition. He'll surely spend a shed load of money bring in top players this summer so get a good look at the likes of Rashford and Lingard now. My guess is you won't be seeing much of them next season. Not in the Premier League anyways.

Watch. I 100% guarantee that in his unveiling press conference he'll wax lyrical about Man United's great history of bringing through youth and promise again and again that he'll continue the trend. Then when the PL starts to heat up and nearly every match starts to really matter he won't want to risk slipping up by playing a kid or two who may make a mistake.

He insisted over and over again that Ruben Loftus-Cheek was ready and never played him. He talked all the time about how there are a couple of academy products right on the cusp of breaking through but no one actually thought it would happen.

Again, he'll say all the right things when he arrives and may even play a few early on, but when he's in a title race with Pep/Klopp/Conte/Poch/Wenger will he put faith in the kids? I'll have to see it to believe it.
 
If there's one thing everyone now knows about Mou it's that he'll play a strong team in every competition. He'll surely spend a shed load of money bring in top players this summer so get a good look at the likes of Rashford and Lingard now. My guess is you won't be seeing much of them next season. Not in the Premier League anyways.

Watch. I 100% guarantee that in his unveiling press conference he'll wax lyrical about Man United's great history of bringing through youth and promise again and again that he'll continue the trend. Then when the PL starts to heat up and nearly every match starts to really matter he won't want to risk slipping up by playing a kid or two who may make a mistake.

He insisted over and over again that Ruben Loftus-Cheek was ready and never played him. He talked all the time about how there are a couple of academy products right on the cusp of breaking through but no one actually thought it would happen.

Again, he'll say all the right things when he arrives and may even play a few early on, but when he's in a title race with Pep/Klopp/Conte/Poch/Wenger will he put faith in the kids? I'll have to see it to believe it.
Said it constantly that I don't want him here. This just reinforces it.
He simply doesn't have the stomach for playing young players.
 
Said it constantly that I don't want him here. This just reinforces it.
He simply doesn't have the stomach for playing young players.
It's not just young players which was a bigger issue in his last spell here. Not only would he not use youth, he refused to use actual first team squad players as well which has played a huge role in why we've been so shit this season. Many of the players were ran into the ground over the past couple of years.

Clearly sticking with the same players every match works in the short term, but can he sustain that for more than a season or two?
 
"Chelsea fan" I see.

Griezmann: £43m
Stone: £45m+
Pogba: £68m (Reported)
Koke: £50m (€60m)
Marquinhos: £30m+
Martial: £40m+


These were the players that we put in solid bids for. That's at least £216m worth of players. A small fortune indeed. Each considered first team quality and world class/future world class. Mikel was signed back on by Mourinho himself and Ramires was not leaving. These signings weren't replacements but additions to the team.
Bollocks. There were no bids made for Koke and Griezman. Marquinos bid was made only once Stones bid had failed, so sount one at max.

Essentially Mourinho wanted Stones and Pogba thats 100-120m. Atleast half of which would have been recouped by player sales. He even gave the club second, third and fourth fall back options incase the primary targets were ungetable.

Any more cute stories that you want to make up. The most likely version of truth is that club didnt want to sign any new first teamers and pushed Jose to play more youth players than is reasonable.

Regardless of whatever numbers you make up, the fact remains that club has spent just over £60m is 3 seasons. Thats massive underinvestment compared to city, United, liverpool and even arsenal. What Jose achieved last season was nothing short of brilliance.

Falcao was his ego. He wanted to prove that he could get Falcao back to his best, whilst also helping out his mate Mendes. Falcao was all him. Pedro was a second option to Griezmann when he was deemed unobtainable. Sometimes in life these things happen and if Mourinho cant deal with any sort of set back then he is not a good manager at all, nor human person in general.
Falcao was thurst upon him by the club. If you honestly think that someone like Jose (who does not like to leave anything to chance) will take such a gamble then youre deluding yourself.

He wasn't bringing through any youth. He promoted Terry back to captain and continued to play him when he was getting older. The youth players close to the first team and ones he had singled out were further from the first team when he was sacked then before. Loftus-cheek was treated abysmally. Talked up all the time, played for 5/10 minutes then not in the squad for the next month. He showed no inclination of playing youth even when we were in the relegation zones. All he had were excuses ("We are trying to win the league, no time for youth" "We are in too much trouble, no time for youth") which I'm sure you lapped up. He even admitted that he wouldn't play any youngsters as long as it was mathematically possible to get top 4. There was no inclination of him bringing in youth players and he was wasting a shit load of talent that he refused to play. For that alone he is nothing to this club.
And terry proved to be our best defender for those two seasons. Would you rather us not have won the league last season and brought through Kalas instead. Loftus-Cheek is a lazy fecker, the kind of player who needs that periodic bollocking to keep him on his toes. Jose was handling him just fine.

"Nothing to this club" haha. Youre not a game goer are you. TV fans like will sadly never know what Jose is to the real supporters.

I hope you follow Mourinho over to United to be honest. "Fans" who are blind to the fact that Mourinho and his motley crew of cnuts were leading this club to relegation are not worth an ounce of time IMO. Support the club, not the manager.
Piss-off mate. This is the problem with you bandwagoners.

Go look at pre-abrahmovic history. That should make you look less shallow. The club never wronged its legends ever.

For me Chelsea have won more in the last 12 years than I expected them to win in my entire life time when I first started supporting the club. So trophies dont matter nearly as much as doing right by the man who couldnt wait to thump the Chelsea badge on his chest on any given occasion.
 
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Anyways, back to Conte...

Hope to god we learned our lesson last summer and before that in the previous summer that getting the business done early is hugely beneficial. Announcing his appointment this early surely means that transfers are already being lined up. The board better be doing everything in their power to secure the players Conte wants if they want CL football back.
 
He will have a hard summer which isn't ideal after being at the Euros. Hazard and Costa will leave I reckon and possibly others.