If the Lewandowski extension ensures RM can't acquire him, great news. He's a perfect fit for Bayern as it is, no need to go anywhere else
FC Bayern 2015/16
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Actually - Lewy seemed to be a "vagabund", somebody that does not play longer at a club than for a contract. Like Robben. Or Ribery... Seems they all just want to stay...
Actually - Lewy seemed to be a "vagabund", somebody that does not play longer at a club than for a contract. Like Robben. Or Ribery... Seems they all just want to stay...
Usually I scoff when someone says "We're a real family here!" But something has to be pretty awesome if they stay this long even with changing presidents, medical teams, coaches... like everything changed around them, yet they stayed. If they weren't married, I'd say it was the girls in Munich... so, there's only one thing left: It has to be the beer.
Actually - Lewy seemed to be a "vagabund", somebody that does not play longer at a club than for a contract. Like Robben. Or Ribery... Seems they all just want to stay...
slight differences between those three. Young Ribery was often his own biggest adversary, combined with a stroke of bad luck when he moved to Gala and came out looking like the villain where he really had mostly been the victim. Robben and Levy look a bit similar, they followed a career plan without letting emotions get in the way. Of course, Robben was damaged goods with his injury record and in fact quite lucky to get hired by Bayern then. Still, in his first few years at Bayern, i recon he would have been as fast gone as he arrived if United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, PSG or Barca had opened their pockets.
As for Lewy, i'm kind of surprised he will stay a bit longer. I thought his clear plan was to move on the even bigger players and i figured if, say, Real made an offer, he would be on his way. would it still be 2012, i recon he were.
Apparently, Bayern has closed the gap to the biggest fish in the pond recently. Also they seem willing to send a clear messsage around Europe: "no one is getting one of our players we want to keep", taking a certain financial risk. The club is financially so sound it can afford that attitude, as i recon it would take 3-4 years of persistent failure in the CL ("failure" being not going beyond round of 32) before they started to feel a real impact.
When has that ever not been the case? Basllack is the only one this century that Bayern wanted to keep, who left.
Well Hargreaves and Kroos are also debatable. Hargreaves was just a good deal for an injury prone player which didn't even made the first eleven but for some reason Bayern didn't want to keep Kroos at any cost, which was weird.
Hargreaves was just too good an offer. I doubt Bayern lost any sleep over that one.
Kroos; they simply didn´t want to pay him as much as he demanded. They felt he had not proven enough to deserve the kind of cash, that he was a bit lackadaisical and without a true position. Remember these negotiations all took place before the 2014 World Cup. Bayern wanted to give him a small raise. He wanted a big one.
It was really the World Cup, where he broke through. Before that he had 10 goals and 23 assists in 111 games for Bayern. Not really huge stats. I don´t think Bayern thought he deserved a big raise and maybe if they give it to him, he doesn´t play that well in the World Cup. Besides team glory he was also presenting himself. Worked out for everybody.
I also think Kroos had made it very clear early on that he wanted to go to Real no matter what.
I don't think Kroos or the club were fully convinced to continue together. The failing negotiations about his wages just made the decision easier for both parties. It never felt as if he fully commited to the club and neither the club nor the fans were ever really in love with him. It was inevitable that he left once Real showed interest.
Matthäus, Klinsmann, Kohler, Brehme, Rummenigge... true, that has been a while. In the era Ballack left he was just about the only player of a stature to attract interest. Kahn the only exception, if had *wanted* to leave, there would have been no way to convince him to stay.
Kroos had failed to make himself a vital part of the team yet. Too many underwhelming performances. Those two goals he scored that week, i've seen him do about 4-5 of those in the years since we got him back from Leverkusen. Frustrating, because everyone could see his potential.
??? Did you adopt Stuttgart as your second club?
Pretty sure he would've stayed if we would've payed him the money he demanded in the fall of 2013. Only then Real started showing interest, as it was clear as day we wouldn't pay that kind of money.
i knew it somehow sounded not right
I couldn´t watch the game yesterday. How did we play?
Do you remember how we played the last 2 seasons under Guardiola after the winter break?
That's how we played. It's the 2nd half of the season under Guardiola all over again.
No. Yesterday they lead very early and did not take the first chances they had afterwards to get a comfortable lead. If that would have happened we probably would have seen a lot of goals because an away goal of Benfica would not have been crucial.
Like this after about 20 minutes Benfica started to get back in the match and Bayern got timid because of the CL arithmetik. Lissabon shut down the center and Bayern hardly could get speed over the wings - and did not risk enough either. There were some chances on both sides that could have triggered another goal - but at the end Bayern probably can live very well with the result.
Benfica looked much more dangerous than us in the 2nd half. Lewandowski wasted a glorious chance with his horrid pass, but apart from that Benfica looked more likely to score for wide stretches.
Given how comparatively bad Guardiola's CL away record is this is not a result we should be very relaxed about.
Exactly. And no offense to Benfica, but Guardiolas Bayern of the first half of the season would have dominated them at will. But Guardiolas team of the 2nd half of the season gave them almost a 50:50 game, at home.
I was horrified yesterday when i had the thought if we play like this against a real top team like Barca or Real.
I was horrified yesterday when i had the thought if we play like this against a real top team like Barca or Real.
We've already seen what happens when we play like this against a strong team. Remember the first half against Juve?
The away record of Guardiola in the CL has to do with being careful in the first match. We always had the away match first and Guardiola started with a 4-3-3. Juventus was the first match in which he started with Müller + Striker + 2 wingers in all the years - and it was the first time we had an away goal by a striker or a winger apart from one against Arsenal 2 years ago (when Müller and Pizza were on the pitch at the same time at the end of the match).
That being cautious away backfired against Real Madrid and Barcelona. Against Real Madrid without an away goal the tie ended with an early goal of Real in Munich. Against Barcelona it was the three late goals in the end of the match...
Bayern does not have a problem away...
It's interesting how excited City fans are about getting Guardiola. Look guys, what your glorious messiah is archieving with a much superior team than yours
We will get murdered in the semis again. No matter who we play against.
We will get murdered in the semis again. No matter who we play against.
I didn't watch last night's game, but the following works perfectly fine in general.
I don't get some of the outcry every time the CL tie isn't over ahead of the return leg. Outside of the treble winning season we always had to worry about the return leg, even against smaller teams. People have some proper silly expectations if a 1-0 homewin isn't seen as an excellent result anymore.
Since our great run in the CL started in 2009, we had the following first leg results:
09/10:
last16: 2-1 at home vs Fiorentina (remember how bad we played and how Klose's 10m offside goal saved us thanks to Ovrebo's quality refereeing?)
QF: 2-1 at home vs Manchester United (thanks to a crazy deflected Ribery freekick and Evra's brainfart in the last minute)
SF: 1-0 at home vs Lyon
10/11:
last16: 1-0 win away against Inter (which was excellent but we fecked it up in the return leg)
11/12:
last16: 0-1 loss away against Basel (now that was truely awful under Heynckes)
QF: 2-0 win in Marsaille
SF: 2-1 win at home against Real
12/13: the obvious outlier with the big first leg wins against Arsenal, Juve, Barca
13/14:
last16: 0-2 away win against Arsenal
QF: 1-1 away against United
SF: 1-0 away loss against Real
14/15:
last16: 0-0 away against Donetsk
QF: 3-1 away loss against Porto
SF: 3-0 away loss against Barca
15/16:
last16: 2-2 away against Juve
QF: 1-0 home win against Benfica
Both results this season surely have to be considered pretty great compared to most of the results in that list?
Some of the criticism is fair enough, because our performances have been again a bit underwhelming since the winterbreak. But the whole 'we should smash teams like Benfica in the CL quarterfinals home and away' thing is so stupid. Going with a 1-0 win in the away leg is a brilliant result and I expect us to win the away game considering that they need to attack now. Yet even if we win, some will portray it as a failure of Guardiola for not doing much better. God, it's so fecking annoying.
People really need to get over the treble winning season and start having reasonable expectations again. Next season will be a fecking nightmare because it's inevitable that we have a underwhelming league season soon and if Tuchel keeps Dortmund playing at that level, he can easily beat Ancelotti to the league title. Pep is a much better league manager than Ancelotti, who often failed to keep the team motivated and determined for a full season. It'll be unbearable to discuss our performances on the internet, if everyone continues to expect treble winning performances all the time, especially considering that our starting line-up yesterday was significantly weaker than the treble winning team.
I don't get some of the outcry every time the CL tie isn't over ahead of the return leg. Outside of the treble winning season we always had to worry about the return leg, even against smaller teams. People have some proper silly expectations if a 1-0 homewin isn't seen as an excellent result anymore.
Since our great run in the CL started in 2009, we had the following first leg results:
09/10:
last16: 2-1 at home vs Fiorentina (remember how bad we played and how Klose's 10m offside goal saved us thanks to Ovrebo's quality refereeing?)
QF: 2-1 at home vs Manchester United (thanks to a crazy deflected Ribery freekick and Evra's brainfart in the last minute)
SF: 1-0 at home vs Lyon
10/11:
last16: 1-0 win away against Inter (which was excellent but we fecked it up in the return leg)
11/12:
last16: 0-1 loss away against Basel (now that was truely awful under Heynckes)
QF: 2-0 win in Marsaille
SF: 2-1 win at home against Real
12/13: the obvious outlier with the big first leg wins against Arsenal, Juve, Barca
13/14:
last16: 0-2 away win against Arsenal
QF: 1-1 away against United
SF: 1-0 away loss against Real
14/15:
last16: 0-0 away against Donetsk
QF: 3-1 away loss against Porto
SF: 3-0 away loss against Barca
15/16:
last16: 2-2 away against Juve
QF: 1-0 home win against Benfica
Both results this season surely have to be considered pretty great compared to most of the results in that list?
Some of the criticism is fair enough, because our performances have been again a bit underwhelming since the winterbreak. But the whole 'we should smash teams like Benfica in the CL quarterfinals home and away' thing is so stupid. Going with a 1-0 win in the away leg is a brilliant result and I expect us to win the away game considering that they need to attack now. Yet even if we win, some will portray it as a failure of Guardiola for not doing much better. God, it's so fecking annoying.
People really need to get over the treble winning season and start having reasonable expectations again. Next season will be a fecking nightmare because it's inevitable that we have a underwhelming league season soon and if Tuchel keeps Dortmund playing at that level, he can easily beat Ancelotti to the league title. Pep is a much better league manager than Ancelotti, who often failed to keep the team motivated and determined for a full season. It'll be unbearable to discuss our performances on the internet, if everyone continues to expect treble winning performances all the time, especially considering that our starting line-up yesterday was significantly weaker than the treble winning team.
I think that's the problem, and the only reason Pep is considered a flop by many fans.
By the way, Thiago is still a disappointment for me. Other than his brilliant performance in the 5-1 against Arsenal, he has been truely underwhelming. It's ridiculous how many Bayern fans I know who constantly criticised Kroos' performances for us or Götze's but defend Thiago to no end. He needs to play a lot better and he needs to do it soon or else I can't blame Pep for starting Alonso again.
He reminds me of Tom Cleverly in that he seems to think playing simple passes and not doing anything risky equates to huge contribution to a side.
It's probably more because we invested a shitton of money and haven't even gotten near the title in the CL, playing rather badly in the later stages of it. I don't expect wonders but I at least expected a serious challenge, Pep has failed to deliver that.
That's not true though. At least not at all in comparison to the teams we're up against. We've spent around 200m Euro in total and about 80m Euro net since the treble winning season (6 transfer windows). Real and Barca spent close to double that (both total and net) and that's ignoring the wages they pay compared to us. Many other teams also outspent us significantly, like PSG, City, United.
Guardiola deserves some criticism but spending a shit ton of money certainly isn't one of them. We rebuild more than half the team over the last 3 seasons on a rather modest budget (again compared to the rich clubs in European football) and with everyone healthy we probably have a shot at beating every team in Europe. We need almost all of our top players healthy though, you simply don't beat the elite with too many makeshift solutions.
Bayern fan's expectations are unrealistic.
2 semi-finals in the last 2 years if I recall correctly, no? Judging Pep's tenure at Bayern on the basis of 2 knockout ties in the latter stage of an extremely volatile knockout competition that has never been won back to back, is hustling backwards.
Don't talk sense man, don't talk sense
He failed to impress against any serious competitor. We consistently knock out the weaker teams and get our asses handed to us by anyone able to counter decently. 2 semis do look good, but the way we played them and the way we got there is a different story.
I don't think it's fair to blame Pep for the loss against Barca last year. We never stood a chance with all the injuries and key players not fit or out of form due to comebacks from long term-injuries.
Really? Maybe he's been like that at Bayern but the opposite was true at Barça - his biggest flaw at the time was how often he'd take risks when he didn't need to.
Every time I watch him (Albeit not a lot) he seems to just pass the ball to the nearest player. I rarely see him do the fancy high risk play that I know his technical ability is capable of doing. He just seems to move from side to side and plays it very simple.
Again, basing it more on his time at Barcelona (maybe he's a lot more cautious now) but back then he took players on a lot for midfielder. Depended on who he partnered though, he was more...metronomic, with Iniesta and more adventurous with Xavi.
I dunno, I don't watch a lot of Bayern but when I do, he usually just sits at the base of midfield and plays it very simple when he gets the ball. I'm not too sire if his role has changed recently what with Pep switching tactics/formations every other month. Last time I saw him that's what he was doing.
Holy shit. He has been averaging 85 passes per game in the Champions League.
Even here in what @Balu has identified as one of his better games, he only really started to take more risks at the end of the game.
In possession based tactics the CMs always have more touches than in your regular football match and looking at a compilation like that will always paint a somewhat wrong picture. I'm sure the same is true for Xavi in 08/09 despite his record number of assists back then. I wouldn't accuse him of playing it too safe, Kroos was definitely worse in that regard. He's adventurous and takes risks often enough when he's playing well. He's just not playing well most of the time this season and often looks like a passenger.
he only central midfielder who's great for us so far in 2016 is Vidal. If Martinez is fit enough to start games, I hope we try Kimmich + Vidal in mifield and Alaba + Martinez at centerback and once Boateng returns Alaba should go back to leftback for Bernat, who isn't really that great either.