http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...y-air-shot-piroette-sums-up-liverpools-night/ Saw this while on Rawk, telegraph having a fecking mare here 
Europa League 2015/2016
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
It's just an article written in advance... which tbf was pretty realistic at that time.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...y-air-shot-piroette-sums-up-liverpools-night/ Saw this while on Rawk, telegraph having a fecking mare here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...y-air-shot-piroette-sums-up-liverpools-night/ Saw this while on Rawk, telegraph having a fecking mare here
Holy poop
Thanks for the reverse jinx!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...y-air-shot-piroette-sums-up-liverpools-night/ Saw this while on Rawk, telegraph having a fecking mare here
To be fair I did piss myself at Lallana's shot as did most people I imagine. Happy for Liverpool though, good to see another top European side knocked out by English opposition, and it made for a thrilling watch.
True, obviously they have to write during the game, but leave that stuff in Microsoft word or whatever.
That was a really good game, be interesting to see what Klopp does with them over the summer (the lucky bastards)
No idea who I want in the next round... I'd usually say anyone but Donetsk, but given our league season is essentially over (competing for EL spaces aside), the Thursday journey to Ukraine doesn't really bother me that much.
I've a feeling he'll be spending £100m.
I've a feeling he'll be spending £100m.
Germans are notorious chokers, it´s just that they get to so many finals that nobody notices.13 semifinals, eight World Cup finals, "just" four wins. Six European Championship finals, three wins. Bayern five straight CL semifinals. Which year they did win? When they faced another German team.
That's the worst way I've seen someone trying to make an argument in this forum by using statistical evidence. Getting into 8 finals from 13 semifinals is actually the opposite of choking because they won more SFs than they lost. And winning 4 out of 8 as well as 3 out of 6 cls is finals is exactly the expected amount of wins going by mathematical probability.
So you're kinda proving yourself wrong in your own post.
Haven't watched the match but it's getting plenty of plaudits, being called the best match this year, etc. Seems I've missed some good fun. Looking through livescore though, Donetsk - Braga match, how the feck did guy called Ricardo Ferreira manage to score 2 own goals against Donetsk? Looks fishy as feck
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Sure and if Manchester United makes eight finals against the Redcafe All-Stars 50% is exactly the expected amount of wins going by mathematical probability. Not like Bayern were heavy favourites going into the 2010 and 2013 Champions League finals or that Germany were heavy favourites to beat the Czech Republic and Denmark in their European Championships finals as reigning world champions, or the semifinals against Italy recently just like the semifinals against Italy at home in 2006.
Congrats to Liverpool and of course Klopp! And now go out and win the damn cup so we can beat you next season in the Champions League.
Didn't watch it. But can imagine Dortmund were probably too busy planning the 89th minute YAWN duet complete with Klopp bouquet presentation and 22-man bukakke session, that they forgot not to bend over and let themselves get shafted.
Ah well, only the Europa League - some semi/final pain, preferably in poem writing tragi-comedy circumstances, is all that will suffice now.
Ah well, only the Europa League - some semi/final pain, preferably in poem writing tragi-comedy circumstances, is all that will suffice now.
Thats extremely poor logic. Other than the 2000-2009 the German NT has won a major trophy in every decade since the 1970's. And in the 2000's they made it to both the world cup final and Euro finals . Both times beaten by just better sides.Germans are notorious chokers, it´s just that they get to so many finals that nobody notices.
Using that kind of logic, Brazil are the worst chokers of all. They have played every single world cup and just won it 5 times.
Got to say well done to the dippers.
I wish we had as much fight in us.
I wish we had as much fight in us.
Forums are great and make fools of us all because we commit our thoughts to the ether and we can then be proved wrong...
*enjoys page 52*
*enjoys page 52*
Not slept much and had to travel into work but don't care, so glad I was there last night. What a match!
Might read through some of the earlier match comments later!
Might read through some of the earlier match comments later!
page 56 is pretty good too.... "game over" etc, well actually.....
They completely deserved it Liverpool for not giving up, but my my Dortmund are going to be gutted with themselves this morning as they took their foot off of the pedal and just threw it away.
The perfect example of the massive overuse of words like 'chokers' or 'bottlers'. The notion that reaching 8 World cup finals (more than anyone else) and winning 4 is apparently proof for the team being not up for the job when it matters is simply hilarious. Reaching at least the quarterfinals in every World cup since the 50's is an incredible achievement in itself and if you regularly make the latter stages of tournaments, you win some games against the odds and lose some that you shouldn't.Germans are notorious chokers, it´s just that they get to so many finals that nobody notices.
But stupid footballfans will tell you otherwise. Having the second best record of any nation in the world at World cups is seen as failure. It's probably better to be like the super clinical Italy, who didn't make it out of the group stages two World Cups in a row now, once finishing last behind Newzealand. At least they won 4 out of 6 finals though. Well two of them were in the 30's with one being the most corrupt World Cup of all time, completely bought by Mussolini (and that says something in the history of football tournaments). France is a bit shit as well with only winning 1 out of 2 finals and Argentina are clearly the worst, only winning 2 out of 5.
We all should be like England, the true elite. 100% winrate in World cup finals. And they do their best to keep that winning percentage, because never reaching a final again is clearly the best way to keep that image of being the opposite of chokers forever.
I could do the same of course for the other examples, you gave. Clearly reaching 10 CL finals is a bit shit if you only win 5. It would be much better to have a record of 3 in 5 instead, that way you wouldn't be considered chokers.
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Get lost Dortmund. After some of their fans' incredibly exaggerated reactions when Spurs dared to rest their best players with good reason against the mighty Dortmund I hope they are enjoying it now having been knocked out by a much worse but full strength English team.
Wow, all the rage here. It's only Europa League, but admit it, you enjoyed that game one way or the other. Were you not entertained? :P
When did football become all about elitism and tournaments not being good enough? :P
When did football become all about elitism and tournaments not being good enough? :P
Only a fool had Bayern in 2010 against Inter or Germany in 2006 against Italy as favorites.Sure and if Manchester United makes eight finals against the Redcafe All-Stars 50% is exactly the expected amount of wins going by mathematical probability. Not like Bayern were heavy favourites going into the 2010 and 2013 Champions League finals or that Germany were heavy favourites to beat the Czech Republic and Denmark in their European Championships finals as reigning world champions, or the semifinals against Italy recently just like the semifinals against Italy at home in 2006.
No one should be heavily favorite in finals of cups the quality of the CL or the WC anyway so that's a dumb argumentation.
Winning 4 out of 8 or 3 out of 6 finals is simply not a sign of choking, it's normal and what you'd expect anyway.
Winning 0 out of 8, now that would be bottling, as well as winning 8/8 would be a sign of mental strength. 4/8 simply is neither.
Imagine City win the CL and Liverpool win the EL.
*shudders*
*shudders*
The Spanish teams will see to them both.
That's what was said here about Dortmund and PSG !
Both PSG and Dortmund were ridiculously overrated. PSG I am not even sure why as they have never been past the QF of the CL and Dortmund because they easily beat Spurs's B team.
Spainish teams have been dominating European football for a number of years now, it is a different order of magnitude.
Yeah, absolutely. Sevilla and Villareal are a far different order of magnitude to the tournament favourites, Dortmund
Yeah, absolutely. Sevilla and Villareal are a far different order of magnitude to the tournament favourites, Dortmund
Spanish teams have been dominating European football for the past five years, Sevilla have won this trophy for the past two seasons FFS. Dortmund being anointed as favourites was a projection based on no real evidence.
Liverpool do have an outstanding chance especially as imho they got the best draw. I would fancy playing Villareal over Shakhtar who have a lot more European experience and were unlucky to be drawn in the same CL group as Real and PSG, their 3-0 win at Schalke shows their strength.
The good news is that this season has seen us inch further ahead of the Italians for the 4th spot and who knows who could be the ultimate beneficiaries of that.
Of course, Dortmund were made favourites just because the bookies fancied it. Jeez Louise.
Once you are in the semi finals you have a decent chance of course. I just don't buy that Dortmund were the best team in the competition. Villareal are comfortable in 4th spot in La Liga and Sevilla know what it takes to win this competition. I agree that Shaktar are a very good team too. It is arguable that Liverpool are the weakest team left in the competition, however.
Indeed. I was hopeful (I'm not going to say supporting !) all EPL teams in Europe would progress until the later stages of both CL & EL.
Of course, Dortmund were made favourites just because the bookies fancied it. Jeez Louise.
They made them favourites due to betting patterns I would have thought.
To be honest I would struggle to rate these teams from 1-4, any of them might be the strongest and any of them could be the weakest. I think the reality is that all 4 of them are pretty evenly matched, I think we are in for some really interesting games.
If I had to stick my neck out I would probably edge towards Sevilla, as they like Liverpool need to win this tournament to make the CL and they know what it takes, but it's too close to call.
Of course, Dortmund were made favourites just because the bookies fancied it. Jeez Louise.
In fairness, though I personally did think Dortmund were amongst the absolute favourites of the competitions, classical mechanic is right in saying that the odds are determined at least partly by betting patterns.
They were one of the favourites for sure. If you look at individual players then you could deduce that Dortmund and Liverpool are the best two sides in the competition. But if you look at the record of Spanish teams in Europe in the past five years and Spain's success at international level then I think it is fair to say that the Spanish are doing something tactically superior in modern football. The lesser Spanish sides that are relatively bereft of 'stars' have still managed perform outstandingly.
I definitely agree in the case of Sevilla, but I think it's a bit far fechted to rate Villareal higher because of other teams' achievements. They are an organized counter attacking side though(?), so tactically that should favour them against Klopp.
Not too happy to draw Liverpool with Villareal, but it could have been Sevilla. Think the counter-attacking style of Villareal and strong defence will work well in neutralizing their attacking unit.
Let's go. Hopefully the Sakho story won't surround the night too much & we can play our natural game.
Villarreal have not been great lately and if it weren't for the cushion over 5th place they had managed to get in the first 22-24 games of season their CL spot would be in real danger right now. Liverpool will likely knock them out which will lead to Twigginater going mental in his celebrations of PL superiority.