I thought we'd done some great business when we signed him. He's a bit toilet though at the moment.
Memphis | Manchester United Sub | Officially unravelled
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Have barely seen him play this hear but I'm happy to give him a second season to settle. We've seen plenty of cases where someone like him comes good after a bad first year.
Yeah but, normally you see a glimpse/flash of what they can do.
People go on about Ronaldo vs Bolton but, Ronaldo against Arsenal, that year, when Ruud missed a penalty, was a far better insight into him as a player. 18 years of age, didn't hide from the fight, didn't get discouraged when flicks and cross didn't come off...He still pushed and pushed to be the top man and difference maker that day.....He was even the first United player into defend Ruud. Ahead of Keane!! Even other younger players showed something worth sticking with. Chris Eagles showed more than Depay
The only thing I can say about Depay this season is that, unless we're playing a Sunday league side, or a team completely fecked over with injuries to their first 11, he is of no use!
Just watching the highlights again, seemed to half ass trying to get to the ball at the end there, definitely looked favourite to get it if he fully committed. Not going to write him off based on this season because of our collective struggles, new league, etc., but he needs a huge improvement next season. Just to even show he has the talent in the first place would make me satisfied as he seems pretty average most games. Would like to see him play a bit more because Lingard is incredibly wasteful and generally not that great, but there's probably not much between them anyway.
He was ok in his cameo overall with some nice bits of play, but that lack of commitment was infuriating and falls in with all the rumours about him in training etc.
Fingers crossed he can turn it around. Hopefully another, better Lamela.
I can look past that he might not be a very talented player as we thought he would be. But, yeah his attitude seems to be bad and it makes him look worse. Only he can change it though.
You can be an arrogant player or a player with some attitude but you have to show it on the pitch that you want to prove that you are better than everyone every time you play. And, there are some acting like they don't need to prove it anymore.
Ronaldo is the former and almost every young players who get compared with him due to having an arrogant attitude are the latter.
You can be an arrogant player or a player with some attitude but you have to show it on the pitch that you want to prove that you are better than everyone every time you play. And, there are some acting like they don't need to prove it anymore.
Ronaldo is the former and almost every young players who get compared with him due to having an arrogant attitude are the latter.
Ronaldo was frustrating but he worked incredibly hard in training and that what made fergie stick with him, if someone has talent and works obsessively to improve you know he'll eventually get there.
My worry with memphis is that maybe van gaal isn't seeing that in him, otherwise he'd never sell him after just one year.
To second a point others have made here, Ronaldo's drive on the pitch in his early years was phenomenal. He would get scythed through by defenders, get up, and drive at the bastards again and again. Whether he had a good or bad game was irrelevant, he never hid and was always looking to do something.
Obviously that may be worrying in excess, but it disturbs me to see Memphis on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Alright....Put it another way. Lingard has made the most of his chances and he's not exactly gifted. The fecker has worked like hell.
Depay has cost us several goals with his lazy mindset when he wasn't even arsed tracking back past the half way line.
For someone who talked himself up, I've yet to see anything that's made me think, "OK, there's something there."
*And in the grand scheme of things, I am a fecking know nothing Gobshite. Says a lot when I'm this adamant about Depay
Could not believe what I was witnessing. Great attitude from a player fans have to be patient with.
Am not calling for players exposing themselves to injuries, just hate the pathetic way he tried to con everyone watching..
If Mourinho does come here, I'd like us to sign a hardworking right winger in the Willian mode.
I'd play Martial on the left.
Can't really see a spot for Delay in a Mourinho team
I'd play Martial on the left.
Can't really see a spot for Delay in a Mourinho team
What the feck are you talking about mate worked how?
How did Mata on the right wing work? How did Fellaini in central midfield work? How did Young at RB or striker work?
We have been shit in general this year and a big part of that has been players continually playing out of their natural positions, every game we have several players out of position.
Yesterday Rooney, Blind, Valencia, Rojo and arguably Martial and/or Lingard were not in their natural positions.
Van Gaal is doing it every match not just here and there.
A lot of the the time when Fergie did it it paid off and we still won league titles and cups. Sure he had his experiments. But we never went a whole fecking season consistently playing 2-3-4-5 players out of position every fecking match.
The tweet of him smashing a free kick into the wall with "Fire and desire" underneath sums him up. To eulogise about yourself whilst doing something badly suggests there's something not quite right.
Especially when moments later he bottles a 50/50.
I don't buy into the idea that he's lazy or has an attitude problem. To me he comes across as a guy who needs to grow up.
Especially when moments later he bottles a 50/50.
I don't buy into the idea that he's lazy or has an attitude problem. To me he comes across as a guy who needs to grow up.
That caption was hilarious wasn't it, what a joke. I could understand if he'd leathered it into the top corner. Although I can't blame him for not putting something like "Just me before I did a shite free kick into the wall lol"
It's hilarious and baffling. Just doesn't make any sense. It's not even arrogance. It's more like delusion.
I can, a bit of self-deprecation is great.
It worked as with what we had. Obviously, we did and still need some more forwards.
Does Fellaini play as good as he should despite you think he is playing out of position? Of course he does. Tell me what midfielder outperform him by far if any this season from our squad? There you go.
Is Blind part of being 2nd best defense in the league even with FBs changing every other week?
Mata has the most contribution for all the goals we scored for past 2 seasons or 2nd most.
Martial has been the best player in the squad.
Where is Rojo best position in your eyes? And how do you know? I bet you only saw him play for Argentina mostly before he came to us and guess what? He played as LB there.
Valencia started playing as RB even in SAF's era....now has been proven that he is the best RB we have. Even more reliable than the italian first choice RB in epl.
Rooney was being abused as shit while playing up front this season. Now he played as attacking midfield for past 3-4 games and people seem to think he did much better there than striker.
SAF was a master of playing players 'out' of position because he knew more than we did with how to use his players. Just because you think a player should be playing in this position does not mean he can only play at that position. Also he won titles a lot because he was a genius. LVG is not but does not mean LVG does not have some quality that he is not decent at.
We have been shit under LVG. But it is more to do with his overall mentality and tactic rather than players he plays 'out of position'.
All of them every single one, Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera, and Schweinsteiger are all better than Fellaini in a midfield 2. To argue otherwise is nonsense. Playing in there after Xmas he was atrocious. He's only performed better recently because he's moved further forward into his actual position
Still not a centre back, won't play there under another manager which should tell you all you need to know.
Not from fecking right wing he hasn't though.
Yes he has, but he's still a striker ergo not a winger. Ergo playing out of position.
Not fecking LB because he's shit there. He's a CB thats where he played his football in portugal for Sporting. That's where he says his best position is and where he want's to play long term.
A grand total of about 5 fecking games, so what. He's a failed winger and an average RB. Being our best right back isn't fecking hard when Darmian is your competition.
What are we even discussing here mate? This is the Depay thread. If you want to discuss Memphis fine, but let's not drag the thread any further off topic than is already is shall we?
So, your point is players being shit, not out of positions now? I mean I am confused?
Talking about players being played 'out of position', you want Depay to play on the right which is 'out' of his position? no?
No my point is most of the players mentioned are playing shit because they are/were being played out of position
You seem confused alright mate.
Depay is a winger, playing on the right wing is not really playing out of position for a fecking winger and it's hardly comparable to Blind playing at CB or fecking Valencia playing at RB.
You were the one who said the current coaching staff not selecting him to play RW vindicated your opinion that he shouldn't get some games there. I simply pointed out that the current coaching staff don't know their arse from their fecking elbow when it comes to where players should be played to get the best out of them. Evidenced by the fact very few of our current squad are having good seasons, especially the majority of the players who are regularly fielded out of their natural positions.
That is how we got to this point in this discussion in a nutshell.
I was simply saying that you saying current coaching staff does not know shit is not true.
I just gave you reasons why those players playing 'out' of positions are not playing badly. You responded me with a bunch of they are shit mostly and another manager won't play them there etc because they are playing 'out of position' for you?
LVG tried a lot of players 'out of position' but not so much with depay. Tells you a lot about the player when the manager you think like to play a lot of players out of position.
Oh, I don't hate depay. I am giving him another reason. I am hoping he would be a success long term because I want a player to do well for a club I love to follow.
But bar Martial the players playing out of position are all playing badly. Or at least they are not good enough or suited for the position they are playing in like Blind.
Mata at RW, Rojo at LB, Young at RB, Fellaini in a CM 2 etc. have all been shit this season.
Also the current coaching staff are performing very very poorly you do realize this yes?
Them not playing Depay at RW i suspect has nothing to do with LVG thinking he can't play there and everything to do with the fact that he in my opinion has no faith in the lad. Simple as that really.
I think the team being shit is mainly more due to LVG's overall tactic and mentality than how players are playing in the system/positions. But, I have said this everywhere already. So, let's leave it here for now.
It is not just me who think that depay has been disappointing either in the middle or on the left bar a few games against shit teams.
If you think he should be tried on right side, fair enough. I just don't think he has some necessary mental attributes to play anywhere in the team atm. But, we have argued about it already. I will agree to disagree.
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Listen mate i agree with you on Depay's performances up until this point. He has been very disappointing.
And i don't even know for certain that he would definitely be great on the right, i just want to see the kid get games. Right now Martial is probably our best player and Rashford is doing great so they shouldn't be rotated. But Lingard is hardly pulling up trees on the right and Mata is rubbish out there.
So personally i would have liked to have seen Depay and Januzaj rotated more with Lingard on the right wing to see if either of them could find some form. That is all.
Go check his Instagram account, he disclaims all the rumours with a huge photo of him in an United shirt.
Was he known for his pace at PSV? He doesn't look to be that quick which I think a United winger needs to be.
I don't think he was known for amazing pace, more his dribbling and shooting. Quick enough and skilful enough to beat players very often though. I think he has really struggled with defenders being much better at reading him and stopping him from playing his game, if you go back and watch him play for PSV he goes past players really easily all the time. I want to see more of that, I definitely think he still has it in him
No, I remember reading on here at the time when we signed him that he wasn't renowned for his pace.
What was he renowned for? His tattoos?
No idea, I didn't watch him at PSV. I just remember some on here that watched him (or at least claimed to have) saying that he wasn't overly pacey. Whatever it was that he was renowned for, he's left it back in Eindhoven.
His problem has been that because until we ended up with Rashford/Martial, we had a very static front line, so teams could easily double up on Memphis. It is no coincidence his best performances have come recently with the pacy front line alongside him.
Shooting, goals, free kicks and became topscorer.
Altough being an Ajax fan i have watched PSV as a rival for many years. Depay was/is known for pace, running into the space, free kicks and dribbles. He has it in him no doubt, but he needs to adapt first and hopefully with his debut season under the belt he can and make an mark on the XL.
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Goalscoring, strength, passing IMO, crossing, technique and dribbling.
Have they? I can only recall the 2nd leg of the Midtyglland game where he stood out and I heard the young lad marking him was only part-time player and still in college.
Now is the time Memphis should be explioting, many players have worked hard all season and are tired, others are wrapping themselves in cotton wool ahead of the Euros, some clubs are mid table with no incentive to try. Memphis has barely lifted a finger all season, he should be fresh and at a huge advantage.
I just don't see any conviction when he plays though, seems to spend the match trying not to break a sweat. Same way I saw Zaha here, got a big contract and think they've "made it" at Manchester United, being signed by us is only the start of it. Memphis can go to hell if he thinks life here is just about driving his celebrity girlfriend's around in his balotelli style camouflage painted car, showing off new tattoos while partying on yachts and spending stupid amounts of money.
Anyone play at a good enough level to understand why he can't play on the right? Just seems like such a no brainer to have a front 3 of Rashford/Martial/Memphis.
I realise Nani was more 2-footed than Memphis, but he always looked miles better on then right, yet almost always got shunted to the left. As they're both right-footed, how hard can it possibly to get them to cross with their stronger foot?!
It's interesting how much criticism comes from his lack of defensive work - in most front 3 systems the forwards aren't actually expected to do too much of that - that's why you overload the midfield. The two best front 3s in the world are allowed to just concentrate on attacking and letting the defensive players defend (BBC/MNS). Pretty true of PSG too thinking about it, as well as City now that De Bruyne is back.
If you're playing a 442 then yes, you need wingers getting back all the time, but in a 433 I always thought the whole point was allowing your 3 attackers to be solely focussed on attacking.
I realise Nani was more 2-footed than Memphis, but he always looked miles better on then right, yet almost always got shunted to the left. As they're both right-footed, how hard can it possibly to get them to cross with their stronger foot?!
It's interesting how much criticism comes from his lack of defensive work - in most front 3 systems the forwards aren't actually expected to do too much of that - that's why you overload the midfield. The two best front 3s in the world are allowed to just concentrate on attacking and letting the defensive players defend (BBC/MNS). Pretty true of PSG too thinking about it, as well as City now that De Bruyne is back.
If you're playing a 442 then yes, you need wingers getting back all the time, but in a 433 I always thought the whole point was allowing your 3 attackers to be solely focussed on attacking.
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