OK, not that it makes much difference.
The Spurs thread
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
OK, not that it makes much difference.
True, the table doesn't lie. It says we're in 2nd place, which says we've been better than 18 other teams. Which means that those other 18 teams have rather more to think about in terms of talent and cohesiveness than do Spurs.
And they very likely are thinking about it.
Whereas a complacent attitude like yours would ensure Spurs' foray into the top 4 is as transient as it has tended to be in the past.
After all, there's a fag paper of difference in terms of points between you and 5th/6th.
Easy come, easy go.
For what it's worth I think Spurs would have been as worthy winners as Leicester this year. Both have been consistently good especially since the turn of the year, but...
If we'd have beaten them a few weeks ago at WHL (let's say they had an unfortunate injury crisis that game for the first time this season, similar to us throughout Dec) we'd be just 4 points behind this amazing Spurs team with a game in hand. The gap isn't that big, yet.
If we'd have beaten them a few weeks ago at WHL (let's say they had an unfortunate injury crisis that game for the first time this season, similar to us throughout Dec) we'd be just 4 points behind this amazing Spurs team with a game in hand. The gap isn't that big, yet.
Fair enough mate, it's no where near United worst period in history you're right on that point.
I'm really concerned about Glaston's knowledge and expertise in maths and statistics. In the last couple of pages or so he's having a mare.
You have to be able to do maths contortions if you're a spud. At least they've stopped prattling on about when the year ends in a 1 now.
He raped them silly alright to have Spurs the most improved team in the last 6(or was it 7) years. I'm sure the trend points that they'll finish above you next year as well.
More like last 10 pages, he's just been arguing with multiple posters on the same grounds.
Spurs finishing behind Leicester has been their third greatest league campaign in the last 133 years. Just think about that for a moment.
Lol. The team in 6th would need to 12 points to over-take us, even if there were enough games left, which there aren't. The team in 5th (United) would need 11 points.
Since when does 12 points equate to a "fag paper of difference"? The answer is: only in your fevered imagination.
The season is over, time for Spurs to crawl back into its little hole where all the other feeder clubs and wannabe never will be's live. That one chance Spurs had has passed them by and its back to reality and back to their menial armpit smelling part of footballs history they should go. Their time in the sunshine is over, back to the howling wind and torrential rain you miserable little worms. Such a short burst in the sun they werent there long enough to get even a mild case of sunburn.
nah dont really mean it, just being an arse
nah dont really mean it, just being an arse
I wonder if you're including Chelsea in this. I see them struggling to get into the top four next season
Sorry. Truth is I remember the days of Martin Chivers, Alan Gilzean and Martin Peters etc etc. Have enjoyed watching Spurs this season, good team to watch.
So what are the weaknesses in their team? Where does MP need to strengthen?
What great players have you had between Bale and Kane/Alli that any huge club would want to buy? The reason you've held onto your best players is because your best players were mediocre. Real Madrid aren't going to go in big for Walker, Lennon or Andros Townshend. Seriously look at your season 14/15 squad and tell me who even Arsenal would want, let alone a Barcelona or Madrid.
You'd think by the last statement that Spurs had been fantastic this season. You are 10 points ahead having played 1 more game (so call it 7) and are out of every competition, whilst United have a final to look forward to. On what planet does this put Spurs ahead of United, certainly not by any real margin? If we win the FA Cup you've had a worse season than an injury plagued United team with an idiot as a manager.
You've been in the Champions League is it 3 times since it was re-branded in 1992 whilst winning no trophies at all? You haven't batted above your weight.
The gap will likely be single digits to 5th by season's end. That's nothing.
Oh and the team in 5th could end up with a major trophy, thereby overshadowing any Spurs season in over 20 years. Given your crowing on here, that would be rather amusing.
But carry on with the complacency. The 'transient top 4' will not forgive. As you know very well from experience.
Don't know about the rest of England, but Spurs are not really well known around the world. I'll struggle to name a handful of people I know here who know your club exist.
I don't think you're disliked either. You have a decent bunch of players and if not for Leicester, most here would have preferred your team winning the title. It's just that Spurs fans here and their posting style, are leading to a negative response towards your club. Glaston has been single handily causing people to lose their soft spot for Spurs, for years, and now it seems other posters are just adding to it.
Attack. He's getting a lot out of a decent bunch but they need a bit of pace down the flanks as an alternative.
Then of course they can improve on what they have.
Funny how he thinks people came to dislike Spurs' achievement of this season. It's the Spurs fans here that the dislike is pointing at. They're quite deluded to think they're representative of their club. Fecking hate Newcastle and their best fan in the league mentality, does not mean their club is going in right direction or they're ever a real rival (Toon at times used to be our shooting practice partner). And that doesn't mean I automatically hate Newcastle fans as a whole neither. It's the hooligan of any teams that is rightfully despised.
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I suppose much of this discussion really leans on what is going to happen next season.
Spurs' fans think they have "arrived" after challenging this season.
Fan's of bigger clubs think their "arrival" has as much to do with other's sleeping, and that will now change.
We'll only see next season how the two fair.
Spurs' fans think they have "arrived" after challenging this season.
Fan's of bigger clubs think their "arrival" has as much to do with other's sleeping, and that will now change.
We'll only see next season how the two fair.
Yeah, no doubt successful teams tend to be hated. But to confuse what Spurs have done this season with that sort of success is silly. You played well and finished 2nd. Let's not pretend this is the kind of story that causes envy and dislike. It will take some real success and even prolonged success for that to happen.
Its a funny thing but a lot of Utd fans wont realise there was a time when Spurs were close to being our biggest rivals.
Thing is it didn't materialize and United had changed so much. Remote rivalry is often built on recent competition, which long seen Spurs failed hard to achieve anything for themselves for a long time. Arsenal is fast becoming a more friendlier rival in the recent year. Now people have sympathy for Arsene. Less than a decade ago the rivalry was fierce. Arsene being unjustified dismissed would be welcomed here with open arms.
What on earth are you talking about? They were for a while one of our biggest rivals, it did materialise, it happened, it was a thing. I remember it clearly. Just because it isnt that way now doesnt mean it wasnt that way in the past.
Please elaborate. I didn't follow the club until late 90s. And at that time, there was air of rivalry. If you talk about the 70s then as I said, United has changed and Spurs couldn't keep up and in modern era, Spurs is not real rival.
Spurs were a real rival in the 60's, just because it didnt happen in your lifetime doesnt mean it didnt happen. There was a time when Preston North End were a big club, just because it hasnt happened during our lifetimes doesnt mean they werent a big club.
There was football being played before Fergie.
I wasn't talking about this season or success, we haven't won anything for years, so how would I be talking about success? That's why I said I was surprised by some of what I read here.
We aren't delusional, we know precisely where we are and have been in the food chain. We are optimistic, but surely there is nothing wrong with that, if you can't be optimistic then what the he'll is the point?However you paint the picture there does seem to be a genuine dislike here, it's there in the threads in black and white, I genuinely have no idea why which is why I asked because we are and have been an inoffensive club who hasn't competed properly at the top level for a long time.
London clubs is obvious, northern based ones I'm not bothered but surprised, that's all.
I've already given you the answer. The dislike isn't genuine. It's mostly due to Spurs posters here. Glaston has somehow annoyed loads of people.
You should have started a poll of who people would like to see win the title if not Leicester, and Spurs would have won it easily.
Quite right, Spurs were arguably the biggest club in the country in the early to mid 60's. Leicester and Burnley were also really big clubs around that time.
We were the first club to win the 20th century double, first British club to win a European trophy and would possibly or even likely have won the European Cup but for a fixed semi-final.
It might be all 50+ years ago but we don't forget!
There may be some residual dislike which has been passed down from when Spurs were one of our major rivals. That would be the only thing I can think of. On a personal level i have always found Spurs play decent football to watch and of all the London clubs they are the ones I like the most. Peters, Chivers in their era were great as were Greaves, Coates and MacKay before them. Then of course Ardilles and Villa as well as Gazza and Lineker. Actually too many great players to mention here.
Ok, I thought i was reading it's because all their fans are delusional, think they are a big club, have arrived etc etc.
You seem to miss my point. New United fan nowadays are not raised to with that Spurs rivalry. It might be a thing in the past, but it was a short term competition and had stopped being relevant. Someone like Leeds who are long term rival, even they turn to village club, is still known forever as rival for a rookie United fan. I am not trying to rewrite history here and concede for lack of knowledge of the 70s and 80s. Just saying this kind of rivalry is once upon a time rivalry, and not a eternal rivalry thou shall not keep forever for generations, if that clear thing up.
Speak for yourself. there are plenty of United fans my age and older and the rivalry with Spurs is relevant. You need to stop thinking about yourself and your own generation and realise that United fans cover all generations.
Like I said, it's mostly because of Spurs' posters here. What that entails, I'm not sure. I imagine it does entail the views you mention, but I doubt it is anything to do with "all" Spurs fans.
Football has history, it's not a PL era sport only. Calling Leeds who are an historically great English club a 'village club' IMHO doesn't just insult them but also the history of the English game.
Fair do's.
Point taken. Thanks for the info nevertheless. This should be more let be known more among united rank and no more happy for Spurs to win the league, I guess.
Feck Spurs for the 60s rivalry. Happy you lost the league.
Excuse me. Punt Intended
The village club term is used in hypothetical sense if you read the whole thing I wrote. Here is a simpler version: Leeds is United fierce rival forever.
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United and Spurs rivals ? 