Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.

Did you not state that you wished Mourinho went to United and beat Chelsea to every title to show up the club's management? I can get quotes you know.
Ok. In what world does that mean we will be mid-table? It was a heat of the moment thing anyways. Do apologies if it wound you up.

I am not pessimistic about our season either. I do think we will get a B2B midfielder a CB and a solid striker but it wont guarantee that we go toe to toe with the both the mancs.
 
Ok. In what world does that mean we will be mid-table? It was a heat of the moment thing anyways. Do apologies if it wound you up.

I am not pessimistic about our season either. I do think we will get a B2B midfielder a CB and a solid striker but it wont guarantee that we go toe to toe with the both the mancs.
Nothing is a guarantee in football. Getting the best players available for Conte gives us as good a chance as any.
 
Chelsea have top players like Hazard, Costa, Tibo, Willian, Fabregas, Azpilicuta and Matic. Then they have quality young players like Zouma, Traore, Kenedy, Christensen, RLC, etc. But their main problem lies with the players such as Oscar, Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Baba, Mikel, and Remy. All these players are either aged or are below par. None of them qualify for a starting position in a top team. Chelsea must replace at least 4 of them with quality players if they are going to be competing for the title in the coming seasons. Regardless of their manager, they are not going to do well with their current squad.

Another problem for Chelsea is the lack of leaders in their team. They really need players who can inspire when the morale is low. They lost their spine with the loss of Drogba, Lampard, Cech and Cole within a very short span of time and they haven't found adequate replacements for any of them. Except Terry, who is on the verge of retiring and is only going to be a bit-part player in the coming season, they don't have a real leader in their team now. Ivanovic, who was their captain in the absence of Terry, is fast becoming a huge liability for them on the pitch. The only players in their team who are showing some sort of leadership and spirit are Fabregas and Azpilicuta. Costa can also be a leader, but lack of communication and his bad temper often makes negative impact in that aspect. And as per reports, he is not happy there and is looking for a reunion with Atletico.

Unless they address these issues, i am not worried about Chelsea.
 
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Chelsea have top players like Hazard, Costa, Tibo, Willian, Fabregas, Azpilicuta and Matic. Then they have quality young players like Zouma, Traore, Kenedy, Christensen, RLC, etc. But their main problem lies with the players such as Oscar, Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Baba, Mikel, and Remy. All these players are either aged or are below par. None of them qualify for a starting position in a top team. Chelsea must replace at least 4 of them with quality players if they are going to be competing for the title in the coming seasons. Regardless of their manager, they are not going to do well with their current squad.

Another problem for Chelsea is the lack of leaders in their team. They really need players who can inspire when the morale is low. They lost their spine with the loss of Drogba, Lampard, Cech and Cole within a very short span of time and they haven't found adequate replacements for any of them. Except Terry, who is on the verge of retiring and is only going to be a bit-part player in the coming season, they don't have a real leader in their team now. Ivanovic, who was their captain in the absence of Terry, is fast becoming a huge liability for them on the pitch. The only players in their team who are showing some sort of leadership and spirit are Fabregas and Azpilicuta. Costa can also be a leader, but lack of communication and his bad temper often makes negative impact in that aspect. And as per reports, he is not happy there and is looking for a reunion with Atletico.

Unless they address these issues, i am not worried about Chelsea.
 
Just like Van Gaal has a tournament to contend with.

I think that affected United's preparations in 2014.
I'm not sure, because LVGs first season was the best since Ferguson left.
 
It will be interesting to see who they can recruit.

I've seen them link with Morata and Kante. Seem like good signings.

Any indication on the sort of budget they have this year?
 
It will be interesting to see who they can recruit.

I've seen them link with Morata and Kante. Seem like good signings.

Any indication on the sort of budget they have this year?
£100m
 
They couldn't have chosen a worse season to have performed so badly in considering the state of the BPL next season. I think their results and transfer activity will mirror this. There aren't even any players from the Italian squad Conte could use his influence over in persuading to head their way.
 
The last thing the club needs is pessimism at this stage of the season. My post was an optimistic outlook on Chelsea's future as most posts in this thread are already saying we will fail.

Coming from the single most pessimistic Chelsea fan on the forum, that's pretty funny. Didn't you spend most of last season talking about how our players were all shit? :lol:
 
Last year was clearly a fluke season. We've been a one-man team since 2013 so the team was always going to falter with Hazard having the worst season he'll definitely ever have. No other team in the League arguably Europe feeds off of one player. We've still got top class talent in Courtois, Fabregas, Hazard, Costa & Zouma. This squad isn't completely hopeless, it's the Premier League not La Liga. Top 4 is easily achievable especially factoring the benefit of no European distractions.
 
I reckon that with a few shrewd buys you guys will be right back in the mix for top4, not for the title though.

Rather have you than Tottenham in there, just so I dont have to listen to that insufferable scrote Glastonspur sputing how they are the next big thing.
 
I reckon that with a few shrewd buys you guys will be right back in the mix for top4, not for the title though.

Rather have you than Tottenham in there, just so I dont have to listen to that insufferable scrote Glastonspur sputing how they are the next big thing.
That's NFL deal though...
 
Yeah, not like Chelsea or Man Utd have had world class defensive organization at all during the PL era..

I mean nowadays.

When did I say that being dumped out by Galatasry was not a failure. Read my earlier post.

I was only saying that losing to Bayern in 2012-13 should not be judged as a failure.
Juve CL in 2014 was awful. Juve won just one game in Group Stage, and draw with Galatasaray and Kobenhavn.
Also, Conte had a terrible turnover with Benfica (with Vucinic in the starting XI after months since last time) in order not to lose in Serie A against... Sassuolo.
2014 has been a very bad year for Conte.
 
I mean nowadays.


Juve CL in 2014 was awful. Juve won just one game in Group Stage, and draw with Galatasaray and Kobenhavn.
Also, Conte had a terrible turnover with Benfica (with Vucinic in the starting XI after months since last time) in order not to lose in Serie A against... Sassuolo.
2014 has been a very bad year for Conte.
Ferguson was very poor in the CL to begin with. Doesn't means he was a bad manager.

Also, they achieved 102 points that season. Not too bad really.
 
Ferguson was very poor in the CL to begin with. Doesn't means he was a bad manager.

Also, they achieved 102 points that season. Not too bad really.

I would have preferred to score 1 point more than the runners-up in Serie A and won EL, or at least played the final in Juve's stadium.
Conte will be a great manager because he played in a strong team coached by a great manager, but atm he has lots of limits that we saw during his last year at Juve.
Fergie is from another world compared to Conte, no comparison is possible. Fergie and Lippi, my favourite.
 
I would have preferred to score 1 point more than the runners-up in Serie A and won EL, or at least played the final in Juve's stadium.
Conte will be a great manager because he played in a strong team coached by a great manager, but atm he has lots of limits that we saw during his last year at Juve.
Fergie is from another world compared to Conte, no comparison is possible. Fergie and Lippi, my favourite.
Give the guy time to figure it out and I'm sure he will.

I still don't really know what style of Football he implements. Lots of conflicting reports going around and the best I got was him saying he doesn't do counter attacks.
 
Give the guy time to figure it out and I'm sure he will.

I still don't really know what style of Football he implements. Lots of conflicting reports going around and the best I got was him saying he doesn't do counter attacks.

First year at Juve he played with a solid 433 which was beautiful to watch, and also very efficient; then he switched to 352 because of some injuries and because of wouldn't leave one between Barzagli, Bonucci and Chiellini on the bench.
His 352 is very slow paced with a lot of passages between the three defenders and the "regista" (who was Pirlo), lots of "blind long pasages" for either strikers or midfielders cutting from the outside to the inside of the field. I'm sorry, I don't know how to say most of roles in English.
Also, lots of triangulations between the two strikers, who play inside the field thus opening space for the two "wings" at the side of the 5-men midfield.
Plenty of possession, almost no counter attack.
Actually Italy plays very likely Juve used to do. Luckily used to do, now Juve plays better with Allegri.
His game is very speculative, not really pleasant to watch but it brings good results, generally. Expect few goals, his defense is rock-solid and his attack can be sterile sometimes.
That will hold if he plays 352 at Chelsea, but I have a feeling he'll change his style somehow.

One last thing: athletism is very important in PL, and he's very good at it. He has a degree about that. Expect Chelsea to be very good, on a fitness side.
 
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First year at Juve he played with a solid 433 which was beautiful to watch, and also very efficient; then he switched to 352 because of some injuries and because of wouldn't leave one between Barzagli, Bonucci and Chiellini on the bench.
His 352 is very slow paced with a lot of passages between the three defenders and the "regista" (who was Pirlo), lots of "blind long pasages" for either strikers or midfielders cutting from the outside to the inside of the field. I'm sorry, I don't know how to say most of roles in English.
Also, lots of triangulations between the two strikers, who play inside the field thus opening space for the two "wings" at the side of the 5-men midfield.
Plenty of possession, almost no counter attack.
Actually Italy plays very likely Juve used to do. Luckily used to do, now Juve plays better with Allegri.
His game is very speculative, not really pleasant to watch but it brings good results, generally. Expect few goals, his defense is rock-solid and his attack can be sterile sometimes.
That will hold if he plays 352 at Chelsea, but I have a feeling he'll change his style somehow.

One last thing: athletism is very important in PL, and he's very good at it. He has a degree about that. Expect Chelsea to be very good, on a fitness side.
A move back to a 4-3-3 looks likely given the players he has. Could you tell a bit more about how he implemented the 4-3-3 in terms of the kind of wide players and CMs he prefers?
 
A move back to a 4-3-3 looks likely given the players he has. Could you tell a bit more about how he implemented the 4-3-3 in terms of the kind of wide players and CMs he prefers?

Sure.

Let's start saying one thing: he played in one of the greatest teams ever, Lippi's Juventus which managed to play three CL finals in a row (albeit losing two, unfortunately). Apart from Zidane and Del Piero, who were the two stars of the team (Zidane not in '96, he still was at Bordeaux), the 'gem' of that team was the midfield: 3 midfielders, great players like Deschamps, Jugovic, P.Sousa, Di Livio, Davids, Tacchinardi and Conte.
Conte very likes a 3-men midfield, he's learnt a lot from his Juve days with Lippi.

Bearing that in mind, he like to have a 'regista' and two box-to-box CM, he especially favours a play where the regista passes the ball to one of the CM cutting inside the field. The two CMs have to cover the defense as well as pushing the attack.
At Chelsea I think he will play Fabregas as regista, Naingollan would be a perfect CM for him, possibly Khedira (but Juve won't sell him). In my opinion he'll buy a couple of midfielders as Chelsea lacks quality there.

As for the 'tridente', he played with Pepe and Vucinic on the sides (Pepe was very good at covering the defense and crossing the ball, Vucinic was quite strange, acted more likely a striker than a winger. The striker was Matri, not one of the best Juve had but still good. At Chelsea Conte could play with Hazard/Willian - D.Costa - Cuadrado/Pedro.
Expect a solid striker with a lot of movement, one 'tactical' winger (with tactical I mean a winger with defensive duties as well as pushing forwards) and a creative winger, which will likely be Hazard.

Looks for Juventus - Milan 2-0 (Marchisio, Marchisio) 2011/12, it's probably the best game with 433.

EDIT: I have only one more post for today, being a newbie. If I receive some 'likes', I can post more.
 
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Sure.

Let's start saying one thing: he played in one of the greatest teams ever, Lippi's Juventus which managed to play three CL finals in a row (albeit losing two, unfortunately). Apart from Zidane and Del Piero, who were the two stars of the team (Zidane not in '96, he still was at Bordeaux), the 'gem' of that team was the midfield: 3 midfielders, great players like Deschamps, Jugovic, P.Sousa, Di Livio, Davids, Tacchinardi and Conte.
Conte very likes a 3-men midfield, he's learnt a lot from his Juve days with Lippi.

Bearing that in mind, he like to have a 'regista' and two box-to-box CM, he especially favours a play where the regista passes the ball to one of the CM cutting inside the field. The two CMs have to cover the defense as well as pushing the attack.
At Chelsea I think he will play Fabregas as regista, Naingollan would be a perfect CM for him, possibly Khedira (but Juve won't sell him). In my opinion he'll buy a couple of midfielders as Chelsea lacks quality there.

As for the 'tridente', he played with Pepe and Vucinic on the sides (Pepe was very good at covering the defense and crossing the ball, Vucinic was quite strange, acted more likely a striker than a winger. The striker was Matri, not one of the best Juve had but still good. At Chelsea Conte could play with Hazard/Willian - D.Costa - Cuadrado/Pedro.
Expect a solid striker with a lot of movement, one 'tactical' winger (with tactical I mean a winger with defensive duties as well as pushing forwards) and a creative winger, which will likely be Hazard.

Looks for Juventus - Milan 2-0 (Marchisio, Marchisio) 2011/12, it's probably the best game with 433.
Cheers. Will be very interesting to see something new being implemented in the PL. He'd need 2 very solid CMs though to play fabregas as the regista. Naingollan has already turned down a move there unless I'm mistaken and I don't see any of their current CM options that can be effective box to box mids. Matic doesn't have the passing range else he'd have been good for the regista role. Willian + hazard look ideal for the winger setup you're referring to though.
 
Nainggolan hasn't turned Chelsea down. Quite the opposite actually. He definitely seems to be targeting box to box midfielders.
 
Nainggolan hasn't turned Chelsea down. Quite the opposite actually. He definitely seems to be targeting box to box midfielders.
Juve have bought Pjanic for €38m. That has given Roma enough cash to repel any bids for Nainggolan.

Also it is highly unlikely they will lose two key CMs in the same window unless it was for a crazy amount of money. We are unlikely to €45m for a player aged 28. I am sure we are looking at other options by now.
 
Juve have bought Pjanic for €38m. That has given Roma enough cash to repel any bids for Nainggolan.

Also it is highly unlikely they will lose two key CMs in the same window unless it was for a crazy amount of money. We are unlikely to €45m for a player aged 28. I am sure we are looking at other options by now.
Roma needed to sell Panic to not be kicked out of European competitions. They still have 0 money to buy players.
 
Chelsea will do well under Conte. I'm actually more worried about Chelsea than the likes of Spurs, Liverpool etc.

Conte's situation is kinda similar to LVG with both inheriting a team that won the title the previous season followed by a very poor season. The big difference though, Conte will be inheriting a much better team. Unlike LVG, he doesn't need to replace the experience and quality of Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggsy who formed the spine of a team for more than a decade.

Despite the whole Chelsea team under performing massively, Chelsea's problem wasn't scoring goals. It's at the other end of the pitch where the main problem was as they're leaking goals for fun. With Conte being the manager, that shouldn't be a problem anymore. He might not be able to sign his top defensive targets but he'll still keep things tight at the back. I can see them winning a lot of 1-0s.

They've some genuine match winners in Hazard, Fabregas and Costa. From December onwards, Hazard singlehandedly carried the team in their title winning campaign. He's pathetic for most part of last season but towards the end of the season he's close to his best. The game at Anfield showed what Hazard is capable of. Fabregas had a mixed season where he's their best player in some games and was equally poor in some. Costa may be a nasty creature but he's a very good striker. It's his injury that will be a big concern for Conte. So if Conte can get the best out of Fabregas, keep Hazard motivated, keep Costa fit and when you add Azpilicueta & Courtois to the equation, they're still a damn good side.

Then there are players like Matic who's a very good player but was shockingly poor last season. It could be one off or his career could be on a downward slope, we don't know. There are some workhorses in Willian, Pedro etc. who're good to have in the squad.

With no European distractions, Conte will be able to play pretty much the same team week in week out barring major injuries. We ourselves benefited from it in LVG's first season, Liverpool benefited from it under Brendon and last season Leicester also took advantage of it.

A couple of good, shrewd additions and if Conte doesn't take much time to get to grips with the PL, I can see them not just challenging the top 4 spot but also the title although the latter might be too early to say.
 
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Nainggolan hasn't turned Chelsea down. Quite the opposite actually. He definitely seems to be targeting box to box midfielders.
Would you say he definitely seems to be targeting strikers also? Emphasis on the plural, as it seems he might be after two strikers (Lukaku/Morata/Higuain) which gives me the impression he might go for a 4-4-2 diamond system. That would explain the interest in box to box midfielders like Nainngolan, Kante, Vidal etc, which could possibly be ultimately derived from using Fabregas as a regista?
When asked by Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football if he can play in the deep-lying role, Fabregas said: “You can never say never. I have very honest with myself, I am not the quickest player, I am not the most mobile in terms of defensive abilities so I always have to be well perfected with the players from the back, midfield and strikers with very composed lines. But why not? I love coming deep to get the ball. I love long-range passes and connecting with people at the front.” Perhaps the acquisition oh box to box players could be Conte's way of compensating for Fabregas being a defensive liability. Similarly, how Pogba and Vidal done his dirty work, and Thiago Motta, particularly in his latter years, has been reliant on Matuidi and Verratti doing his dirty work, whilst he orchestrated attacks from the back with his composure, intelligence and exceptional range of passing.
 
@Invictus I hate that snake.
Orochimaru because of his erm you know. I loved the part when he was prying on Itachi from behind, trying to make him part of his body and whatever the sick feck was thinking, and Itachi just cut his hand off. Reminds me of Hisoka, with the way he likes Gon, but strangely I like the latter.
Wrong thread.
 
I wouldn't mind a few youth players getting a role.

RLC could do a similar job to Pogba, Baker could be backup to Fabregas, Traore could work well in a two striker system, Solanke is good backup and Palmer can play in numerous roles in this system
 
Chelsea have top players like Hazard, Costa, Tibo, Willian, Fabregas, Azpilicuta and Matic. Then they have quality young players like Zouma, Traore, Kenedy, Christensen, RLC, etc. But their main problem lies with the players such as Oscar, Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Baba, Mikel, and Remy. All these players are either aged or are below par. None of them qualify for a starting position in a top team. Chelsea must replace at least 4 of them with quality players if they are going to be competing for the title in the coming seasons. Regardless of their manager, they are not going to do well with their current squad.

Another problem for Chelsea is the lack of leaders in their team. They really need players who can inspire when the morale is low. They lost their spine with the loss of Drogba, Lampard, Cech and Cole within a very short span of time and they haven't found adequate replacements for any of them. Except Terry, who is on the verge of retiring and is only going to be a bit-part player in the coming season, they don't have a real leader in their team now. Ivanovic, who was their captain in the absence of Terry, is fast becoming a huge liability for them on the pitch. The only players in their team who are showing some sort of leadership and spirit are Fabregas and Azpilicuta. Costa can also be a leader, but lack of communication and his bad temper often makes negative impact in that aspect. And as per reports, he is not happy there and is looking for a reunion with Atletico.

Unless they address these issues, i am not worried about Chelsea.

In my point of view Chelsea pushed above their weight because of Jose Mourinho.

On his day Hazard is a force not to be reckoned with. He lacks goals, but i don't want to stick the knife in, he's class. Matic has been poor since their 5:3 defeat against Spurs, imo. A recovery is possible, i'll give you that. Willian is a hard worker who rarely gets dispossessed, i liked the way he played against PSG, quick acceleration. His eye for the best pass is still questionable, but overall he's a good player.

Turning to the likes of Azpilicueta, Courtois, Costa and Fabregas. I see more problems coming up. I'm getting more familiar to the idea that some of their players are a bit overrated.

Azpilicueta is perhaps the best one on one defender in the league, his problem has always been his attacking participation. For Spain Azpilicueta hasn't been setting the world alight, i'm under the impression that Del Bosque isn't that convinced of Azpilicueta either. Courtois had a lot of problems with defending his near post, there were a lot of soft goals. But he's a young keeper who had suffered an injury some time ago, therefore i cut him some slack. But what i won't do is stop criticising his distribution. A modern goalkeeper should be more comfortable with the ball at his feet. Costa is a very good striker in the box, i like his movements, but his decision on the ball has been poor. Guys like Hazard thrive on one touch but that's not what Costa's style of play is all about. He seems very fragile and emotional, acts like the hard man but when the going gets tough, he backs off. Remember their game against Mangala and Kompany (3:0 City), they really put him in his place. I wouldn't be too happy relying on a player like that. But in my view, the biggest problem of Chelsea has to be Cesc Fabregas. If he has time on the ball he's probably the best passer in the league, but when opponents press him hard, give him no time on the ball, he gets easily dispossessed. Chelsea tried him as a No10, but he lacks goals these days, alongside Matic must be his place. Matic had to work for both them, at some point it was too much, against counter attacking teams their door was wide open. As long as Fabregas is at Chelsea, i don't see compactness and pressing high up the pitch happening.

Zouma depends heavily on his fitness level, that injury could be make or break for him. His passing has been questionable. Christensen ain't coming back next season. Gladbach made a two year deal with Chelsea. He's class though. The likes of Traoré, Kenedy and Loftus-Cheek still have a long way to go. Maybe Aké is the dark horse, played pretty well for Watford.

Chelsea must deal with the the likes of Oscar, Ivanovic, Cahill , Baba, Mikel, and Remy (not Terry) properly. I fully agree with you. Over the years average has found its way into Chelsea. Most of the players are on big contracts and additionally friends with the boss, for example Ivanovic and Abramovich, imo. Drama baby, drama!

My point is Chelsea desperately need 2 defenders (one centre back and one fullback), two midfielders and a striker. They need starters, players from whom you now what to expect. These kind of players could also be called 'leaders'.
Here comes the problem for Chelsea. I've seen pictures of their upcoming reconstruction of their stadium, it's about 600 mil bucks. Next season they won't participate in the Champions-League, money is going down the drain. Furthermore it looks like that their kingpin has made up its mind and tighens the belt from now on. Why else did they force this 'one in and one out' policy on Jose Mourinho. It doesn't help their case that the prices for players are only going up and up.

Conte seems like a very emotional coach, former players like Vidal talk about 'going to war'. On Twitter there was this 'Conte only knows to words': to fight. I keep wondering how that's going to play out with the aformentioned guys. :D

Maybe i'm underestimating the lot, but i can't see how they'll mount a challenge on anything apart from a cup. Maybe Conte is out of work in spring. You'll never know with Chelsea, Abramovich gets easily triggered and it's always the coach and never the players who are wrong at Chelsea.
 
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Mourinho made no players play above their weight. None.
 
Give the guy time to figure it out and I'm sure he will.

I still don't really know what style of Football he implements. Lots of conflicting reports going around and the best I got was him saying he doesn't do counter attacks.
Was does that even mean? :lol:
 
Was does that even mean? :lol:
Dunno. He just said he doesn't counter attack. He doesn't even train them. He doesn't like sitting back and wants his teams to win the ball as high up the pitch as possible.
 
Dunno. He just said he doesn't counter attack. He doesn't even train them. He doesn't like sitting back and wants his teams to win the ball as high up the pitch as possible.
Sounds lost in translation, though I hope he genuinely means that he doesn't ever plan to counter attack!
 
Mourinho made no players play above their weight. None.

Cahill, Ivanovic, Matic, Azpilicuta, Oscar and Terry says otherwise. These players had their best season in 14/15. Many Chelsea players overachieved during the 14/15 season. However, by December, the limitations of the team were visible and so Jose changed the style of play. And next summer, he asked for a new CB, a CM and a CF. But the 'highly experienced' football brains in your board thought that the team is good enough to compete for the title in the coming season and so decided against Jose's recommendations and the rest is history.

By the way, is it true that you have a technical director who is far more experienced and intelligent than Jose and his previous job was as the coach of a women's school team in USA? Women's + School Team + USA & Football... lol
 
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