Time machine to go back and steal the ink they used to write the second amendment is probably the least complicated solution.
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Time machine to go back and steal the ink they used to write the second amendment is probably the least complicated solution.
Seriously doubt it. There have been plausible things proposed by politicians that have been blocked by effective lobbying.
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Would probably result in America either not accomplishing Manifest Destiny, losing the War of 1812, or something similar.
We could compromise 'the right to bear muskets'... if you miss you can at least beat intruders to death with it!
Those things do make one hell of a club.
This is going to help Trump a hell lot.
If something like this happens again until election day, he will win for sure.
Fear beats rationality. And Trump is all about convincing with fear.
It doesn't help that Hillary is the worst candidate ever as well.
If something like this happens again until election day, he will win for sure.
Fear beats rationality. And Trump is all about convincing with fear.
It doesn't help that Hillary is the worst candidate ever as well.
That the Democratic Party was hell bent on nominating her despite Sanders polling better than her against every Republican candidate is just dumbfounding.
Fox News as expected politicising the shit out of this, like Trump, a bunch of vultures, it's actually disgusting and extremely tasteless. Yet again I feel for the families of this horrible tragedy. 24 hour news is not nice during times like this. To be fair, I haven't watched any ABC, CNN or MSNBC so I can't comment, I doubt they are that different, but Fox is always the worst.
Trump should be ashamed really, he should at least wait a day or so before coming out with his hyperbole and propaganda. Asking for the President to step down after giving a statement sending his love and thoughts to the victims and families is as low as it gets, especially on the very day of the tragedy. Nothing surprises me with that clown though and i'm sad to say that I knew he would do exactly this, and said so earlier in the thread. Why can't he just show a little compassion instead of making this all about him and his fecking fecked up racist agenda? Abhorrent man.
It's also completely bullshit, Trump again saying that they should stop all non American Muslims entering the country, well this guy was born in New York. He's so thick and full of blind hatred, he's just never right. It's so frustrating really, I feel for all you Americans if this assclown is elected. Yeah, the rest of the world will suffer too, of that I am sure, but you guys will bear the brunt of it. I especially feel for all the minority Americans if he is elected.
Trump should be ashamed really, he should at least wait a day or so before coming out with his hyperbole and propaganda. Asking for the President to step down after giving a statement sending his love and thoughts to the victims and families is as low as it gets, especially on the very day of the tragedy. Nothing surprises me with that clown though and i'm sad to say that I knew he would do exactly this, and said so earlier in the thread. Why can't he just show a little compassion instead of making this all about him and his fecking fecked up racist agenda? Abhorrent man.
It's also completely bullshit, Trump again saying that they should stop all non American Muslims entering the country, well this guy was born in New York. He's so thick and full of blind hatred, he's just never right. It's so frustrating really, I feel for all you Americans if this assclown is elected. Yeah, the rest of the world will suffer too, of that I am sure, but you guys will bear the brunt of it. I especially feel for all the minority Americans if he is elected.
He's already being roundly condemned for trying to profit off the tragedy.
Have no fear. America always do the right thing, after they've exhausted all other possibilities. Granted, Dubya made that a wee bit less believable.
Not sure that's possible as it might be discriminating people for no factual reason an thereby unconstitutional (if the US have anything like Art. 14 EMRK; Prohibition of discrimination). Interviews can, as @Jippy pointed out, be ordered based on circumstancial reasons such as the pure presence on public ground. Passing a law like this the government would penalize these people having done no wrong in comparsion to those having a criminal background (which is decided in court). They can of course treat people differently even in similar situation in the legal sense but they need a factual reason to make up for the difference.
Don't get me wrong I'm not denying the possible effects your solution might provide but I think it might be hard to implement on constitutional grounds.
I need to switch channels then, he's getting kudos on Fox (as expected)
I'm hoping it will backfire on him, it's just you and I both know how slippery the fecker is, and all reports I have seen so far kind of side with him, unfortunately.
In other news, Man arrested in L.A. near the gay pride march and found with assault rifles and a bucket full of chemicals in his car. He's told the police he wanted to "hurt the gays"
For fecks sake!
They've all politicized it it one direction or another. They always do.
Yep, I understand, and you are right, but as long as they keep letting pretty much any Joe or Joan Soap walk in and buy the sort of guns that are legal in the US without any questions, the more frequent - and more extreme - these sort of incidents will become.
The US have created a perfect storm for themselves with the attitude towards gun ownership... up to now its mainly been nutcases with an axe to grind (ignoring general gun violence which is the bigger issue really), but I think we will see more and more terror related attacks like today, because compared to Europe, it really is a soft target with such easy access to pretty extreme weapons and a total lack of any sort of appetite to deal with it.
Yeah, you expect it to a certain extent, but to try and get the President to step down over it is just taking the piss. He's had a boner for Obama since day one, the birther shit was all started by him, and in an interview just before Christmas he was asked if he still believed that Obama was African and a Muslim and he wouldn't deny it. You would laugh if it wasn't so serious and so fecking sad. I think it's because he is black and the President. He's so racist, I also think the verbal hammering Obama gave him at the White House Correspondents Dinner has stuck with him because in his eyes, instead of taking it as a joke as it was meant, to him it was a public humiliation. A black man, making fun out of him, on TV for the world to see. Feck!
Just seen tomorrows Daily Mirror front page (not online yet)
ISIS MANIAC KILLS 50 IN GAY CLUB!
Like when they bailed out of Vietnam and left their 'allies' at the mercy of their enemies?
Was he going to throw the chemicals over them, trying to recreate that scene from Robocop?I need to switch channels then, he's getting kudos on Fox (as expected)
I'm hoping it will backfire on him, it's just you and I both know how slippery the fecker is, and all reports I have seen so far kind of side with him, unfortunately.
In other news, Man arrested in L.A. near the gay pride march and found with assault rifles and a bucket full of chemicals in his car. He's told the police he wanted to "hurt the gays"
For fecks sake!
I agree completely. Trump is insecure and it shows and it worries me to no end.
At first I thought he was campaigning to get Hillary elected, but now I think either he is serious or he underestimated the populist zeal of some American voters.
While embarrassing as that is, we should have never of been there in the first place. Kennedy had an executive order ready for signature to order all advisors out of Vietnam before the CIA killed him.
Feck, that's a grim scene. I'm not sure, they are not really reporting it much atm, obviously waiting for details to come through before reporting on it properly, and the fact he didn't succeed means it's probably low priority for the time being. They keep mentioning that they are trying to find out if there is any connection between the events in Florida. Obviously, that would put a far different spin on it all. At the moment, it doesn't seem like it's connected, but if it is, wow! That's an extremely serious situation, then they will rightfully be worried if there are any more planned and connected.
Edit, Wolverine just posted a link above.
It's a great scene! Up there with 'bitches leave!' and 'are you a college boy?' Doubt they'll be linked by anything more than timing and proximity tbh, but yeah, worrying if they somehow are.
What I've read said the chemicals were a concoction for an IED.
Dont get me wrong, the US is a fantastic country, but, generally speaking, probably the most gullible on the planet, the ease with which you allow your politicians to manipulate your feelings of national pride is second only to the Germans in the 30's and 40's (incidentally the strategy most politicians have followed since the end of WWII mimics the strategy the Nazis employed almost to the letter).
Anyway, I'm getting off topic here so I won't go on with it.
The people in that club last night didn't deserve what happened to them.... your politicians on the otherhand should be held to account and made to serve their people first and the vested interests second (same as our politicians should!) .... hopefully the good people on both sides of the world eventually see the light and stop the sort of shit that is perpetrated in our name, that is how to defeat the likes of ISIS, not by adding credence to their arguments.
I think thats it in a nutshell, I think he's probably more surprised than anyone that he's gotten this far.
God help the states, and the rest of us if he actually gets in, it will be a victory for fundamentalists first and foremost.
1) I'd be interested to discuss that point with you on the World without America thread. Interesting point you've made there, along with the fact that I fully believe Trump is a fascist.
2) Our politicians do indeed have a horrible track record of asking "what's best for my re-election" first and "what's best for my country" second.
My wife and I have had serious discussions about expatriation. I honestly fear for this country and I believe that his election will lead to more days like this, not fewer.
Your second point is the fundamental flaw of 4-5 year cycle parliamentary democracy.
Why would someone ever need an assault rifle ? To kill cattle? Certain guns should be banned from the store. Also if a person was ever questioned by the FBI or linked to terrorism/terrorist they should not be allowed to buy any form of firearm especially an assault rifle.
And no term limits.
That's unfair. Anyone that could afford a helicopter got out on the carriers. Wasted a few of the helicopters of course, but the decks were full.
No connection between the nutjob in L.A. and the massacre in Orlando. Thankfully.
My last post on the off topic topic, but in a nutshell - if you want to control a group through group psychology there's a quite easy, and proven formula, very basically -
1. Tell them they were better than they are in the past.
2. Construct a reasonably nondescript enemy.
3. Put the blame for not being as good as they were in the past on that group.
4. Tell them it is necessary to defeat said group to return to former glory.
5. Tell them anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic and part of the problem.
Do that effectively and you can get a population to stomach and support almost anything. Most will roll in in search of greatness, most who disagree will remain silent rather than risk being seen as part of the problem.
I don't think I need tell you where they learned that strategy.
Feck me, didn't take you long to do a 180 did it?
What do you mean?Feck me, didn't take you long to do a 180 did it?
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Is that an accepted truth in the US, that the CIA killed him?
I remember that speech he held about what some guys call the NWO today, people of power behind the scenes aiming for government control of everything and who actually uses war as one of their tools. The soundtape is on youtube I think.
Edit: http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/...ewspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx
Many claim that the speech in the link above was the one who sealed his fate.
Edit: Typo pointed out by a cnut, corrected now.
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The suggestion was the US always do the right thing in the end. Abandoning an entire population to suffer the consequences of their failed, grandiose foreign policy wasn't the right thing, and its not unfair.
I suggest you look into what happened to the people they left behind, and the promises made to those people and then rethink what's unfair.
In WWII America was the worlds saviour, no doubt, as they were asked to be. Then they made two mistakes, in the 50's, 60's and 70's they assumed the role of the worlds protector - without being asked to, and primarily to serve their own interests -, from there they further developed that into the role of the worlds police force and moral guardian, again without being asked to and again to serve vested interests.
Oh, it is still taught that Lee Harvey Oswald was a rogue assassin. I'm quite far from being a conspiracy theorist (9/11, birther, etc.), but the CIA was pissed at Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and really needed something to reestablish its image and Vietnam was right up their alley. Kennedy goes down, Johnson is sworn in, and the executive order is basically reversed... Johnson increased US involvement leading up to the "Gulf of Tonkin incident".
Regarding the New World Order and all that Illuminati stuff... I've been told I'm part of it by a buddy of mine at work lol. Freemasons and all.
Seems like you went from a fervent, patriotic supporter of gun rights in America in the beginning of the thread to now talking about possibly moving out of the country. Just found it ironic is all.
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