Good question there... the answer probably lies in figuring out why Christians and Jews no longer execute homosexuals.
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Ironically, the man who he took his name from did exactly that.
I agree with him too. The only problem is that homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam, the punishment for which is the hellfire. I find the idea of encouraging to Islamic preachers tell their flock to let Allah mete out the horrific violence on the gays to be the kind of perverse and bizarre apologism we get from the liberal left in the West towards Islam.
The problem is in the doctrine and it isn't going anywhere soon.
Hehe. That's all I needed.
I don't really know. But not accepting that the problem exists doesn't help surely. Policing the religious schools more thoroughly or maybe getting rid of them altogether? Not sure. Of course it's not just religion either. There appears to be lot of mentally ill people out there which doesn't help. Add guns to the mixture and it's a terrible mixture.
I'm just not sure why people are so reluctant to accept the role of religion though.
I don't even know if this is worth replying to but it really got under my skin, so I have one answer to you:
Well if it's any consolation, I've tried moving to your country in the past and it's almost impossible too!
Muslims don't execute them either aside from lone nuts like this guy. The key is to find out why so many Muslims can be incited to violence. Can't be education because a lot of these people are very well educated. Are they so in love with the quran that they discard logic or is it more economic or social?
You're obviously going about it all wrong coming here then.
Certain types of nursing are on the critical skills list: Link
Nursing and teachers are in shortage in other parts of Europe too, certainly in the UK (although I have no idea whether those shortages would enable a non-EU national to get a visa, it'd be a 5 min google check to confirm). I also think the UK and Rep. of IE also have special historical agreements to do with working across borders, maybe shared visas or something, I'm not sure. Anyway, if you were serious it would be worth looking up if you could get a UK visa, then simply cross over to the Rep. of IE using the same visa.
Getting a bit abstract but if you can't tackle it, is it a problem or a symptom?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/
WaPo updated this yesterday, so I'm fairly certain it is up to date.
Thanks for the link!
My wife falls under section 2231 on that list assuming they would accept her Bachelors of Science in Nursing (4 year degree).
Also did not know about the visa agreement.
Serious question
The Muslim answering these questions, is he taking these passages from the Koran or Hadiths?
https://islamqa.info/en/10050
Too abstract for me. But I'd still say it's a problem.
I think most are from the Qura'n, anyway people here are confusing law and execution under law with mass shootings, also from my post yo can see that non-muslims can do what muslims can't so a homosexual non-muslim should not be judged by a Muslim.
Well it's come close to returning in Ethiopia and Uganda thanks in part to American Christians.
But definitely the Islamic world is far far behind Western Civilisation when it comes to LGBT rights. Western Civilisation's disillusionment with Christianity is a large part of this.
(Narrated by Ahmad, 1878. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5891).
I – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”
What about that though, it seems quite explicit.
Those statistics would most likely be very hard to dig up.
Regardless, if the legal system has death as a penalty for homosexuality, the level of discrimination against homosexuals has got to be ridiculous.
I'd take this hadeeth with a pinch of salt since a lot of the hadeeths you find on the internet are fake, unles it's in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, and Sheeh Muslim I wouldn't trust it, even if true, again it doesn't apply to non-Muslims i.e the dhimmi.
I quoted that hadeeth earlier as well from a different source. Found it all over the place.
Fair enough. What about Allah's position on it. Will he punish the non Muslims for a homosexual lifestyle?
it's about who told it not where it is, and you seem to be ignoring the fact that it doesn't apply to non-Muslims anyway.
Wasn't it Gandhi who said he liked Christ, but just wished Christians would be more like him?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/13/pulse-nightclub-hole-wall-hostages
Some more info on the decisions made by the police during the event.
Some more info on the decisions made by the police during the event.
Because it would lead to popularizing Islamophobia? You sound exactly like Donald Trump for a moment there... "Don't call it act of terror. Call it Islamic Terrorism" . It is understandable that many leaders (incl Obama) are trying to distinguish between Islamic Radicalism and Islam as a Radical religion, but the distinctions seem to get blurred by the minute.
1) How exactly would one fact check the sayings of Muhammad?
2) Whether or not it applies to non-muslims matters much less to me than the facts that it is telling people it is okay to kill others for a biological attraction to other people and that people are accepting this ancient understanding of the world today. Those who have been radicalized clearly have disregarded the distinction and have simply seized upon the spirit of passages like this in order to carry out their plans.
3) It doesn't help that some Islamic governments carry the death penalty for homosexual sex. This can be used by the radicals to give legitimacy to their claims.
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I would say that Islamic Radicalism has morphed itself into a "religion" of its own. A sort of death cult.
Seems like the hole in the wall and the armored vehicle were a good idea then.
It's not up to me or other Muslims to decide how Allah will judge non-Muslims, however Allah decide to judge people in Al-Qiamah a Muslim should never harm/kill anyone.
1) I don't know the answer to that question, like I said any hadeeth not by Muslim(it's a name and doesn't mean any Muslim) and Bukhari I always take with a pinch of salt.
2) I don't see anyone concerned with Muslim lives, so you only care about gay Muslim lives? We have over 500 thousands Muslim killed in Syria, a lot were killed by ISIS, I don't see anyone concerned with them, anyway like I said if you look at Muslim societies really closely you won't see any execution of gays except maybe in the Arab Gulf, at time of peace there were many gays on the streets in Syria and no one harmed them.
So lets tight and not acknowledge the obvious because it might offend some people? Sorry. Don't agree. Talking about it is only going to help. Second, I haven't used the word terrorism once.
I'm aware of Westboro. They are terrible people. Had to watch as they protested a soldier's funeral before.
Not sure exactly what that has to do with ISIS and the like creating their own "religion"/death cult though.
1) That's very interesting. Is that one of those instances in religion where "faith comes in to play"?
2) This isn't a thread about the war in Syria, so I wouldn't expect to see much conversation on that issue. I think what is happening in Syria is terrible, and would gladly discuss that in a thread about that topic.
3) "Except maybe in the Arab Gulf"... your point? The legitimacy factor is still there.
So what are you trying to say? Let's implicate a religion in the incident, but let's not call it terrorism?
Tbh it is an absurd argument. Anti-gay sentiment is not specific to Islam, so I don't see why you have a big problem with the naming conventions. ISIS is a acknowledged terrorist group and calling it a ISIS orcestered attack is more than sufficient. Why the need to focus on on general Islam here?
I think it's because things like that happens very, very, very, very rarely in Europe. Meanwhile there have been over 1000 mass shootings (more than 4 people injured or dead) in the US in the last 998 days.
I've seen several people mention France and Belgium in some vague attempt to show that people are killed in the same way here as they are in the US. What you seem to fail to realise though is that there's quite a big difference between shootings "once in a very long while" and "every single f*cking day".
Every religion has it's share of nutcases. The presence of radicals does not change the religion per se. It is a terrorist attack and if you want to be specific call it a ISIS terrorist attack.
If a "Christian State in ______" was committing acts of terror in the name of a perverted form of Christianity, would general Christianity not become a legitimate part of the conversation?