If we're talking Griffin, I kind of ignore him, given he has zero influence. Was thinking more Boris/Gove/Cameron/Osborne.
Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox
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I see the religion of the gunman isn't important in this case, if he was a muslim we wouldn't have heard the end of it.
Hopefully the, shall we say mainstream, politicians won't stoop that low.
Wait for the facts before you start jumping to conclusions.
Do you know his religion?
Maybe he wasn't religious?
I am not referring to Muslim terrorists or immigrants (and my post was meant to be provocative). Hatred come in all shapes and size
Indeed, but it's no wonder our opinions and expectations of them are so low.
Exactly my point,no? No one has said anything about what religion he was from. Now imagine if he was muslim, all the news would be of a muslim gunman shooting the MP not the MP has been shot and you would have the likes of rednev and silva spouting shit in the thread.
I know what you're saying, but often when Muslim people commit these sort of acts, they're often (not always) doing so because of their (misguided) religious beliefs. Thus it goes with the description... but like I said, I know what you're saying.
As an aside, Jo was very well liked and respected within the Muslim community around here.
Horrific news. RIP
Are you intellectually deficient or trolling?
If a Muslim gunman had shot dead an MP, his religion would not just be mentioned for the sake of it...it would be mentioned because it would be highly likely to be relevant to an ongoing issue of Islamic extremists killing people in the name of religion. Assuming he is from a Christian background, I don't think there is any suggestion that this gunman's religion could even be remotely connected to the killing.
Someone has died.
Now is not the time to say oh the press would be different if it was a Muslim doing or trying to score brownie points because the shooter was not Muslim.
These people who commit crimes like this are plain evil.
To be honest, we barely know the intentions of why the killer did this. Many have pointed out his political beliefs though. Certain parts of the media though will hide the fact that a suspect was Muslim such as in Cologne. It goes either way, however, I would hope the media reports on the religion if it relevant to the case at hand. I will concede the media will not be so unanimous in calling this a hate crime or terrorism, which it seems to be.
I should mention we don't know all the facts yet, so I'm just speculating as to whether this is a hate crime or terrorist attack.
Do you really see that as a salient point?
In a german (online) newspaper is said, that the murderer shouted "Britain first".... Nationalistic-terrorism is everywhere..
No finger pointing so far, everyone has been unanimously expressing their sympathy and support for Ms Cox's family.
I somewhat agree but this incident is politically motivated as are most of the incidents perpetrated by muslims.
He's such a fecking scumbag...
Just like the gay orlando man who shot at the gay club? What bigger goal was he focusing on, I can just see you spouting your normal bs if he was muslim without waiting to see if the terrorism act done by a muslim was due to his personal agenda or part of ISIS,etc.
Coming from you thats rich.
I know and its sad but its not about scoring brownie points but making a valid observation in the difference of treatment that muslims and non-muslims supposedly get.
Do you really see that as a salient post?
Then it is the secular political ideology that ought to be referred to, because I don't think there is any suggestion that this is related to religious politics. Mentioning his religion would be a complete waste of time.
When is? Same thing was said when someone made a terror attack on an abortion place in the US and the discussion was shot off completely afterwards.
But his political views might?
That's the point though isn't it? Even when driven by non-relegious agendas if a guy is a muslim it gets mentioned and the relegion get scrutinized.
May I ask (and I'm honestly not trolling here), what's a good time to have that discussion?
Yes, and they will (as they should) be discussed in great length.
Such a lovely person, such sad news.
RIP Jo Cox
RIP Jo Cox
Yes, because of the context of there being an issue of people murdering others in the name of Islam. There is no such issue with Christianity (at least not in UK), thus it would be a waste of time to explore the possibility. If this gunman had walked into an abortion clinic, then his religion would be explored until sufficient evidence emerged to show that it is irrelevant.
When we have heard more about why she was targeted. Also it is most likely that religion was not a motivation for this crime. So why are people bringing it up?
This was your first post in the orlando thread before his religion was even confirmed, forgive me but I dont see a similar one here? But yeah, its nothing to do with you being a bigot but has to do with individual situations of both the gunmen.
Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? For every sane person, its the other way around. You dont condemn someone until "sufficient evidence emerges to show that it is irrelevant"
People in glass houses..
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Yeah, I remember that you couldn't move for the exploration of the Planned Parenthood shooter's religion...
Because religion was also not a motivation for the crimes of the orlando gunman but for a week all the talk was about how islam breeds idiots like him. You had the above post on the third page of that thread by our resident idiot who started spewing his hate speech on an if condition.
Its only fair to highlight the hypocrisy in these situations.
That example of the gunman shooting in an abortion clinic he was a christian and had a misguided understanding that was the reason, you don't even have knowledge of this attack but if it was a muslim who did it you'd have definitely remembered.
Why on Earth would I need to make a similar post in this thread? There is 0.01% of this man's Christian religion (assuming he is Christian) being at all relevant, and even if it was there is no history of the media engaging his apologism for Christian violence in this country (which is what I was mocking in my post in the Orlando thread). What a strange point to make.
Shocking and horrible. Can't imagine how her family are feeling. RIP.
I agree with Rednev here. It's mentioned because it often has something to do with the motivation behind it, even if it is in a very twisted fashion.
I agree with Rednev here. It's mentioned because it often has something to do with the motivation behind it, even if it is in a very twisted fashion.
Let's keep the discussion focused on Jo Cox, please. Everyone already knows about rednev's views.
You think I'm someone who gives the Christian religion a free pass?
You should look through my post history, especially regarding the Catholic Church.
Did I even say that you give them a free pass? If you don't see the point being made here then you are ignorant.