Yeah but he did do volunteer work and liked gardening, so...
Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox
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How is this different from Lee Rigby's killer Michael Adebolajo going on an Allah and infidel rant when he apwas asked how he pleads?
Mair isn't brown with a foreign sounding name. He can't be a terrorist.
It was an assassination, not terrorism.
Yes, I would agree - a political assassination by a violent extremist, targeting Mrs Cox specifically, not simply a random person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Terrorists don't usually specifically select (or know anything about) their individual victims, except insofar as they represent something the terrorist opposes or are in a place with its own significance to their "cause".
There's a fine line between criminal assassination and terrorist assassination. Per the FBI's definition, Muir's actions of using assassination to affect government policy (shouting Britain first, death to traitors, freedom for Britain) makes it fall more under a terrorist assassination and not a criminal one.
What? Terrorists go after specific targets all the time.
Simply put, it isn't.
Yet the Daily Mail will go on about him being a 'timid gardener'...
I agree
Irony from the Mail:
I've just seen someone suggest the Husband should succeed her as MP - no one is contesting it, so oh yes, get him in there... what a great idea.
Bloke probably thought on Thurs morning, that life wasn't treating him & Mrs C too badly
Can't they find some esp steep stairs for this terrorist or loon or incredibly unwell person (I suppose) to be falling down until he's a not a complete waste of space for any longer (not a serious sentence, but y'know),
Bloke probably thought on Thurs morning, that life wasn't treating him & Mrs C too badly
Can't they find some esp steep stairs for this terrorist or loon or incredibly unwell person (I suppose) to be falling down until he's a not a complete waste of space for any longer (not a serious sentence, but y'know),
What can/will the courts do? He is obviously sick. He will presumably get the help he needs rather than be punished.
If he was in control of his actions at the time, then he will be punished.
Looks fairly familiar to some comments earlier in the thread.
This was a terrorist attack, no doubts about it. But it doesn't fit into the Daily Mail profile for them to use that term, hence the words 'timid loner with a history of mental health issues' will be used.
Absolutely disgusting. RIP Jo Cox.
Absolutely disgusting. RIP Jo Cox.
A timid loner acting all on his own without any outside influence on the actions and motivations that he absolutely developed alone, on his own, without anyone else, that just happen to reflect the exact views of the right-wing media and political entities.
We've had Cameron declaring the Labour party as a threat to national security, Farage standing in front of literal, Nazi propaganda, with BREAKING POINT plastered all over the place, and countless others constantly informing the people of Britain that remaining in the EU poses unavoidable risk to themselves, their families and their very way of life. We've had the likes of the Mail, Sun and Telegraph describing people so desperate to escape the conflict that rages in their home country that they are willing to risk their lives to get out, as "invaders", and a barrage of comments about terrorists slipping through the net ready to pounce and destroy our towns and cities. We've had the far-right parties, such as Britain First, issue a rallying cry to its followers to take direct action against Muslim elected officials, including the newly elected Mayor of London, direct action in the places that they live, work and pray. But no, this man came up with this idea completely out of the blue.
We hear nothing about mental health and support for those who need it, with those suffering left to deal with it on their own and stigmatised for it. We sit and watch as the Tory government does its utmost to dismantle the NHS and any other service that benefit, first and foremost, the most vulnerable in our society, because we apparently can't afford it, despite the fact that their own leader has been outed as a tax-evading waster, all whilst our attention is turned to some mum of 6 from a council estate who has the audacity to own a 40" TV, or how an immigrant family in Leeds is somehow scrounging literally all of the welfare whilst simultaneously taking jobs off poor Britons. But it's the health service that's let this man down.
We've had Cameron declaring the Labour party as a threat to national security, Farage standing in front of literal, Nazi propaganda, with BREAKING POINT plastered all over the place, and countless others constantly informing the people of Britain that remaining in the EU poses unavoidable risk to themselves, their families and their very way of life. We've had the likes of the Mail, Sun and Telegraph describing people so desperate to escape the conflict that rages in their home country that they are willing to risk their lives to get out, as "invaders", and a barrage of comments about terrorists slipping through the net ready to pounce and destroy our towns and cities. We've had the far-right parties, such as Britain First, issue a rallying cry to its followers to take direct action against Muslim elected officials, including the newly elected Mayor of London, direct action in the places that they live, work and pray. But no, this man came up with this idea completely out of the blue.
We hear nothing about mental health and support for those who need it, with those suffering left to deal with it on their own and stigmatised for it. We sit and watch as the Tory government does its utmost to dismantle the NHS and any other service that benefit, first and foremost, the most vulnerable in our society, because we apparently can't afford it, despite the fact that their own leader has been outed as a tax-evading waster, all whilst our attention is turned to some mum of 6 from a council estate who has the audacity to own a 40" TV, or how an immigrant family in Leeds is somehow scrounging literally all of the welfare whilst simultaneously taking jobs off poor Britons. But it's the health service that's let this man down.
*applauds*
Great post. Take a bow, sir.
@Alex99 Fantastic post.
Quite frankly, there are some in this thread who need to step back and think before they post. We've had snide remarks from the opening page, people looking for arguments over definitions, and now there is open politicisation in play. Above all, I simply cannot imagine that any of this would see approval from Jo Cox herself.
And has now risen to £387,000. I hope that many of my fellow Current Eventers were also able to make some form of contribution.
Yes, Nick, I guess we should be ashamed of ourselves; unlike the people who lit the fuse and then stood back while others bore the inevitable brunt of their incendiary rhetoric - they are now calling for dignity and respect when they themselves have shown precisely none, and urge us to show restraint in case the finger is rightly pointed at them.
How can you not politicise a discussion about the politically motivated murder of an active politician?
Agree with this, typical Refcafe CE bullshit.
The IRA did frequently.
brilliantly put. Most people complaining about "politicising" are the ones who don't like the people their associated with.It's blatantly staged.
First of all, why on earth would you wear your Vote Leave/Remain t-shirts to a church (presumably to show your respects for Jo Cox).
Second of all, what possible reason is there to take a picture of this unless to make some sort of point?
And finally, why is Jonathan Arnott, a prominent member of UKIP, the one posting this image to social media? It's not like UKIP are desperately trying to deflect attention away from the part they've played in delivering extreme rhetoric to the public in the wake of this...oh wait.
No, I don't like it, either. (Arnott is a UKIP MEP? I suppose if he stands and people want to vote for him...)
The LEAVE are stuck with this terrible argument though. Hardly likely to admit some of the terrible quasi-racist campaigning contributed are they? It has to be lone wolf unwellness for them to be able to process it, proceed forward. I can't carry on with that but you know what I mean, perhaps.
Meanwhile, on the other side, you can have a guess that any link they can find between Mair & him being incited to do it, ''Who have you spoken to?'' ''Where's your phone?'' may well end up in the papers between now & Thursday. I find it difficult to think Jo Cox was targeted as part of a conspiracy but you never know. I bet they are asking him how he knew where she would be with some enthusiasm.
I am also in the camp that wishes this whole thing just wasn't happening.
Yes, a referendum is just a cop-out by pols who don't have the balls to take an unpopular stance.
Well it's obvious why they want to sweep that part of it under the rug and hope no one notices, which is why it's imperative we don't let that happen, lest something like this happen again.
I don't think there's that much digging that needs to be done in regards to how Jo Cox became the target of his attack. The guy has a history of far-right views and a clear affiliation with the British far-right, as demonstrated by his comments in court. Jo Cox's political ideals lay on the left side of the spectrum, and happened to be the sitting MP in Mair's constituency. It'd have been easy for him to know where she was because she was known for her contact with the community, and was leaving a surgery for her constituents when he attacked.
I think we all wish it hadn't happened because at the end of the day, a woman has lost her life, a man has lost his wife and two young children have lost their mother.
It may be staged, but it's a message I find it difficult to disagree with. I've hated this referendum campaign more than any other political election in this country that I remember, it's been plain nasty and I've felt myself getting dragged into that all too often. Demonisation of the opposition, calling them traitors or evil monsters or whatever, is the kind of thing that leads to a horrible political atmosphere. Even aside from the horrific murder here, MPs getting disgusting messages online had become the norm. I disagree pretty fundamentally with much of the Leave side, and some of the figures on it I think have acted pretty awfully (tends to be more Leave.EU than the official campaign, but still), but I know folk like Nick here feel pretty strongly on it and I also know he's someone whose views I respect and like to hear from, and I imagine this is the case with most other Leavers. If the events of Thursday are to have any near term impact, I'd hope that we can just get through to the 23rd now with the campaigns sticking to respectful disagreement, with less of the bile. The result is what the result is and we move from there to make the best of it.
Maybe a vain hope, but I'm still numb from what happened and the country could do with less of the atmosphere that had dominated for the past couple of months.
Maybe a vain hope, but I'm still numb from what happened and the country could do with less of the atmosphere that had dominated for the past couple of months.
Brilliantly put.
Looks quite obviously staged. And posted and shared by an UKIP MEP - wonder what his motives were.
Written some weeks ago.
Tommy standing with his brethren.
Northern brigade, black shirts...just unpleasant all round.
Look like some true scholars there.